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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 13:03:59 GMT -6
I’m so nervous. We are going out of town this weekend for the first time since we started sleep training. We are all going to be in the same room again, but I’m almost considering letting the baby have the room and we’ll sleep in the living room. We will be at my BILs. I just hope this doesn’t undo all of what we’ve accomplished. But, we travel a lot, so it’ll just be what it will be I guess. Good luck! We've traveled some since he started sleeping better and was worried but he did pretty well. I think I nursed him earlier than usual a few times. We are traveling this weekend too though and he's been waking a lot more with the teething so I'm anxious about how he might do. Yeah, I can’t just let him CIO while we are there so I’ll probably nurse a little more than I would if we were home. He’s just a clingy, crabby mess right now while he’s going through this leap so I’m nervous about that too. I’m sure it’ll be fine.
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Post by piratecat on Mar 21, 2018 13:18:22 GMT -6
Good luck! We've traveled some since he started sleeping better and was worried but he did pretty well. I think I nursed him earlier than usual a few times. We are traveling this weekend too though and he's been waking a lot more with the teething so I'm anxious about how he might do. Yeah, I can’t just let him CIO while we are there so I’ll probably nurse a little more than I would if we were home. He’s just a clingy, crabby mess right now while he’s going through this leap so I’m nervous about that too. I’m sure it’ll be fine. Yea same with us. It's just two nights so I'm hoping it won't mess with the night weaning too much. I can't remember, I think your little guy is a little bit younger than mine, right? 9 month leap/sleep regression was awful for us. We are on the other side of it but then teething.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 13:55:35 GMT -6
Yeah, I can’t just let him CIO while we are there so I’ll probably nurse a little more than I would if we were home. He’s just a clingy, crabby mess right now while he’s going through this leap so I’m nervous about that too. I’m sure it’ll be fine. Yea same with us. It's just two nights so I'm hoping it won't mess with the night weaning too much. I can't remember, I think your little guy is a little bit younger than mine, right? 9 month leap/sleep regression was awful for us. We are on the other side of it but then teething. We’ll be done for 4 nights. 😬 and yeah, my LO is 7.5 months. It’s always something this first year, right?! lol
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Post by piratecat on Mar 26, 2018 7:38:05 GMT -6
@easilyunamused, how was your weekend? Or is it still going? J slept terribly. The first night wasn't too bad, worse than usual but not unheard of. The second night was... something. We were west of home so it was still light out at bedtime, which I think threw him off. Then he woke up at 10ish and I was able to get him back down, then he woke up at 11:30 when we went to bed and I brought him into bed with me and it was like trying to get a mongoose to settle down and fall asleep for the next 6 hours. The rest of the visit was fun though and he did well hanging out with his cousins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 20:01:26 GMT -6
piratecat, glad you had a fun trip! Bummer J didn’t sleep well though. I just feel like it’s to be expected. A slept horribly every night resulting in my pulling him into my bed around 4:30/5 every morning to try to have a hour or so more of sleep. 😣 He was a beast for most of the trip too, but did decent on the car rides. 7 hours each way.
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Post by piratecat on Mar 27, 2018 7:12:54 GMT -6
@easilyunamused, babies man. I always worry that the bad sleeping while traveling or whatever will mess him up even after we are back to our regular routine but J seems to have settled back home nicely and slept until 5:30 this morning. Good thing we're traveling again this weekend!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 13:18:54 GMT -6
@easilyunamused, babies man. I always worry that the bad sleeping while traveling or whatever will mess him up even after we are back to our regular routine but J seems to have settled back home nicely and slept until 5:30 this morning. Good thing we're traveling again this weekend! Yes! A slept from 7-6 last night and it was our first night back home. I hope we have a repeat of that tonight.
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Post by thechickencoop on May 28, 2018 22:25:06 GMT -6
Ok, I'm bumping this again because I'm at the end of my rope. I know it will get better. But I need it to get better now.
DS2 goes down usually around 7. Bath, nurse, into bed mostly asleep but still awake. He'll roll around a bit for a few minutes and usually put himself to sleep.
The problem we have is he does.not.fucking.stay.asleep. We had a handful of nights with one wake up, I'd go in a nurse, and back to sleep waking up a little before 7. Cool.
But now we're back to waking up at all hours and screaming non stop. I've tried Tylenol and motrin, rocking, nursing, bottle, H rocking, etc etc. But he still will take forever to go back down and will only sleep for a couple hours.
So, wtf do we do? I'm nursing him back to sleep now after I let him try to CIO for the last 45 minutes with no end sight. I mean, full on, nonstop screaming. Luckily DS1 is a heavy sleeper.
Halp. I'm going to lose my shit here soon.
ETA he's 8.5 months.
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Post by cmb on May 29, 2018 6:41:25 GMT -6
Ok, I'm bumping this again because I'm at the end of my rope. I know it will get better. But I need it to get better now. DS2 goes down usually around 7. Bath, nurse, into bed mostly asleep but still awake. He'll roll around a bit for a few minutes and usually put himself to sleep. The problem we have is he does.not.fucking.stay.asleep. We had a handful of nights with one wake up, I'd go in a nurse, and back to sleep waking up a little before 7. Cool. But now we're back to waking up at all hours and screaming non stop. I've tried Tylenol and motrin, rocking, nursing, bottle, H rocking, etc etc. But he still will take forever to go back down and will only sleep for a couple hours. So, wtf do we do? I'm nursing him back to sleep now after I let him try to CIO for the last 45 minutes with no end sight. I mean, full on, nonstop screaming. Luckily DS1 is a heavy sleeper. Halp. I'm going to lose my shit here soon. ETA he's 8.5 months. This is going to sound harsh and cold— stop going in. Full stop. Turn off the monitor. Do not go back in. He knows that you will eventually go back in if he keeps crying, so he’ll keep screaming until you do. The first 2-3 days will be hell. He’ll probably scream for over an hour. It will end, but you have to stick to your guns and NOT GO BACK IN. Right now- he’s thinking “mommy will eventually come in so I just need to keep screaming!” He’s conditioned to that. He needs to realize that you’re not going back in. He will eventually give up and pass the fuck out.
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Post by danascullyx on May 29, 2018 7:20:38 GMT -6
Stop nursing right before bed. There needs to be a separation. Nurse before bath. Ok, I'm bumping this again because I'm at the end of my rope. I know it will get better. But I need it to get better now. DS2 goes down usually around 7. Bath, nurse, into bed mostly asleep but still awake. He'll roll around a bit for a few minutes and usually put himself to sleep. The problem we have is he does.not.fucking.stay.asleep. We had a handful of nights with one wake up, I'd go in a nurse, and back to sleep waking up a little before 7. Cool. But now we're back to waking up at all hours and screaming non stop. I've tried Tylenol and motrin, rocking, nursing, bottle, H rocking, etc etc. But he still will take forever to go back down and will only sleep for a couple hours. So, wtf do we do? I'm nursing him back to sleep now after I let him try to CIO for the last 45 minutes with no end sight. I mean, full on, nonstop screaming. Luckily DS1 is a heavy sleeper. Halp. I'm going to lose my shit here soon. ETA he's 8.5 months.
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Post by piratecat on May 29, 2018 7:24:45 GMT -6
thechickencoop, ugh I'm sorry that things are rough. We dealt with pretty bad sleep for a long time and until relatively recently so I feel your pain. I dropped one MOTN at a time by decreasing the nursing time a minute at a time which was a slow process but it worked for us. If you need faster results I'm afraid CIO is probably the way to go, whether you go cold turkey and eliminate all MOTN feedings or picking a specific time before which you don't go in. I am still nursing once around 5AM which I am afraid to drop lest he wake up too early for the day.
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Post by piratecat on May 29, 2018 7:26:57 GMT -6
Stop nursing right before bed. There needs to be a separation. Nurse before bath. Ok, I'm bumping this again because I'm at the end of my rope. I know it will get better. But I need it to get better now. DS2 goes down usually around 7. Bath, nurse, into bed mostly asleep but still awake. He'll roll around a bit for a few minutes and usually put himself to sleep. The problem we have is he does.not.fucking.stay.asleep. We had a handful of nights with one wake up, I'd go in a nurse, and back to sleep waking up a little before 7. Cool. But now we're back to waking up at all hours and screaming non stop. I've tried Tylenol and motrin, rocking, nursing, bottle, H rocking, etc etc. But he still will take forever to go back down and will only sleep for a couple hours. So, wtf do we do? I'm nursing him back to sleep now after I let him try to CIO for the last 45 minutes with no end sight. I mean, full on, nonstop screaming. Luckily DS1 is a heavy sleeper. Halp. I'm going to lose my shit here soon. ETA he's 8.5 months. Shoot, I missed the nursing after bath. Definitely start with nursing before bath or anything else. I think they say you want 20-30 minutes of time between end of nursing session to the time you put them down. He is mostly awake but may not be awake enough.
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Post by babystandish on May 29, 2018 7:45:09 GMT -6
thechickencoop I’m no help since i do everything against “the book” but I’m sorry for the rough nights. DS1 was a horrible sleeper and so I’ve been cosleeping with DD from the beginning because no thank you. I hope the end is near.
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Post by gimmesugar on May 29, 2018 9:48:43 GMT -6
thechickencoop Is he on 2 naps or 3? I agree with everyone else that there needs to be more separation between nursing and bedtime so that he goes into the crib wide awake. At that age, he should be awake for 4 hours prior to bedtime in order to maximize sleep pressure. So, if he’s still on 3 naps, it could be time to drop that last one. If you’re going to feed, go in within 5-10 minutes so that you don’t inadvertently reinforce long bouts of crying. Because babies have no sense of time or how to read a clock, sometimes they’ll wake up at various times and be like...nursing sounds good! If you have fully independent sleep at bedtime with nursing separated by a good 20-30 minutes, no feedings prior to midnight, and an age appropriate schedule, that could mean that it’s time to fully night wean so that baby isn’t confused about when it’s time to nurse and when it isn’t.
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Post by cmb on May 29, 2018 9:56:19 GMT -6
thechickencoop I’m no help since i do everything against “the book” but I’m sorry for the rough nights. DS1 was a horrible sleeper and so I’ve been cosleeping with DD from the beginning because no thank you. I hope the end is near. I mean, I still rock DS2 to sleep at 13 months, which is also against the books. We just found it easier to teach them to go back to sleep on their own before going to sleep on their own
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Post by thechickencoop on May 29, 2018 10:32:15 GMT -6
Thanks everybody 😊
He's in between 2 and 3 naps. If we're home all day and he has 2 solid ones then we're good. Most days we're out and about in the morning so he'll have a nap on the go, then one now, then a short on around dinnertime.
I think we'll just have to CIO officially this weekend. We're ok with doing it but it's just that he's SO LOUD. And even with the monitor off he'll keep H awake (hasn't woken DS1 up yet but you can definitely hear him in his room).
What's hard is we had the opposite issue with DS1 - he sucked at going to sleep, but was pretty good at getting back down in the MOTN. This one....oof.
I'm pretty sure he still needs one overnight feed, which is fine, because those nights where he had one wake up around 3 ish, I would go right in, nurse (And he would EAT), then right back out. So...it's just the other 1 or 2 wakeups that need to stop.
Babies are the worst.
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Post by moutonrouge on May 29, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -6
I had some success setting a cut-off time and ignoring any crying before that. I think at first I set it at 1am, and then after we had success with that for 2-3 nights set it at 3am.
I also break all the rules - DD still nurses right before bed at almost 15 months. She's always awake when I put her down, though.
ETA: I looked back in this thread - DD also had an omg-this-lack-of-sleep-must-end phase from 8-10 months. Some of it was definitely about dropping the third nap at 9 months. But in the end it required the cut-off time I described above. I wasn't ready to night wean at that point.
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Post by thechickencoop on May 30, 2018 18:40:31 GMT -6
Ugh so you know what sucks now too? Last night he woke up at 10 with a pathetic cry. He had been chewing like crazy all day so I gave him a dose of tylenol. Then I went in for his wake up at 3 and nursed him and gave him tylenol again. He went back to sleep until 4 and I just ignored him. He cried for like 45 minutes and finally put himself back to sleep.
BUT he's totally going through something because he has been a miserable mess all day, hasn't wanted to eat anything, just wanted to nurse all afternoon, just....inconsolable at some points. So. That's where we are.
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Post by cmb on May 31, 2018 7:30:09 GMT -6
Ugh so you know what sucks now too? Last night he woke up at 10 with a pathetic cry. He had been chewing like crazy all day so I gave him a dose of tylenol. Then I went in for his wake up at 3 and nursed him and gave him tylenol again. He went back to sleep until 4 and I just ignored him. He cried for like 45 minutes and finally put himself back to sleep. BUT he's totally going through something because he has been a miserable mess all day, hasn't wanted to eat anything, just wanted to nurse all afternoon, just....inconsolable at some points. So. That's where we are. Forgo the Tylenol and give him Advil. He likely has a tooth trying to cut, and Tylenol won’t do crap for that pain
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Post by piratecat on May 31, 2018 7:31:31 GMT -6
Ugh so you know what sucks now too? Last night he woke up at 10 with a pathetic cry. He had been chewing like crazy all day so I gave him a dose of tylenol. Then I went in for his wake up at 3 and nursed him and gave him tylenol again. He went back to sleep until 4 and I just ignored him. He cried for like 45 minutes and finally put himself back to sleep. BUT he's totally going through something because he has been a miserable mess all day, hasn't wanted to eat anything, just wanted to nurse all afternoon, just....inconsolable at some points. So. That's where we are. Ugh, I'm sorry. They are always going through something. I hope he feels better soon and you can get his sleep on track.
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Post by thechickencoop on May 31, 2018 9:07:43 GMT -6
Ugh so you know what sucks now too? Last night he woke up at 10 with a pathetic cry. He had been chewing like crazy all day so I gave him a dose of tylenol. Then I went in for his wake up at 3 and nursed him and gave him tylenol again. He went back to sleep until 4 and I just ignored him. He cried for like 45 minutes and finally put himself back to sleep. BUT he's totally going through something because he has been a miserable mess all day, hasn't wanted to eat anything, just wanted to nurse all afternoon, just....inconsolable at some points. So. That's where we are. Forgo the Tylenol and give him Advil. He likely has a tooth trying to cut, and Tylenol won’t do crap for that pain Advil last night, he was much better (once he actually fell asleep)! Getting down was rough. He didn't want to nurse, didn't want a bottle, wanted to be held one way then OH NO HOLD ME THIS WAY, crying crying. We just had to put him down and he cried for about 15 minutes and he fell asleep. He made some little noises on and off but didn't actually wake up until 4:30 to eat! Would have been amazing had I not been in the bathroom all night because my stomach hurts. Like...really? I'm angry at the universe today 😭 But he seems slightly happier today at least, no tooth but.... 🤷
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Post by piratecat on May 31, 2018 9:22:14 GMT -6
Forgo the Tylenol and give him Advil. He likely has a tooth trying to cut, and Tylenol won’t do crap for that pain Advil last night, he was much better (once he actually fell asleep)! Getting down was rough. He didn't want to nurse, didn't want a bottle, wanted to be held one way then OH NO HOLD ME THIS WAY, crying crying. We just had to put him down and he cried for about 15 minutes and he fell asleep. He made some little noises on and off but didn't actually wake up until 4:30 to eat! Would have been amazing had I not been in the bathroom all night because my stomach hurts. Like...really? I'm angry at the universe today 😭 But he seems slightly happier today at least, no tooth but.... 🤷 Oh man, I'm sorry you were up all night the one night he slept well! But hopefully there will be many good nights ahead for you. FWIW, J's had bad nights where we suspected teething with no teeth to show for it for a long time, and then when they finally came through he didn't really act any differently prior to. Babies are weird.
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