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Post by cmb on Dec 25, 2017 8:21:38 GMT -6
addymac no real experience on doing it all at once, but I know people who have had luck doing it. On the CIO front, I made my H deal with it while I hid in bed and sobbed. I couldn’t handle the screaming and just wanted to cuddle him up. It was best that we just did it, but it was so hard to hear it. You can try fuss it out- you go to them when they turn to crying, but leave them fuss for so long before a check. Similar to CIO without the screaming. It worked for DS1, just not for DS2
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Post by teachermomtobe on Dec 25, 2017 17:49:52 GMT -6
addymac, we did CIO where we checked on her every 3 mins and actually picked her up to console but put her down as soon as she was calm. It worked really well for us but you have to know your baby, for some they escalate.
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Post by moutonrouge on Jan 11, 2018 9:05:39 GMT -6
We did some so-far successful sleep training with DD. I'm not ready to completely night wean yet, but we needed to cut back. Basically, nursing is a sure-fire way to put her back to sleep within 5 minutes. And one thing led to another and I was nursing a 10 month old 5 times a night. Her daytime sleep was also all messed up.
I set a time I was willing to go in (1am to start - our first wake up was 10:30pm some nights). And we ignored everything before that unless it lasted more than 15-20 minutes. Checking on her immediately would turn a 5 minute cry into an hour-long ordeal. So that's why we did a long wait-to-check period instead. The first night she cried a decent amount so not a ton of sleep for us, but I stuck to the plan. Second night she cried for less than a minute at 12:45 then woke up to eat at 2:45. Tonight is night 3 - I'm hoping it goes smoothly but we'll see.
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Post by piratecat on Jan 25, 2018 7:56:10 GMT -6
We are still working on good sleep. He is doing really well falling asleep at night, hardly a fuss. MOTN wake-ups/feedings typically happen at midnight, 2 or 3AM, 5AM, then a little after 6AM, at which point he is either up for the day, which is fine, or I could nurse him and let him fall asleep in my bed for another 45 min. to an hour, which makes it a lot easier for me to get ready (or sleep in on the weekends). I am working on dropping the 2/3AM feed so we'll see how that goes.
Naps are a whole another (terrible) story. He had "two" naps at daycare yesterday, totaling a whopping 35 minutes. WTF. That was a particularly bad day but a good day is two naps of 45-50 min. each. Then probably a car nap on the way home. Which is not terrible but it takes a lot of effort (when I'm home with him) to get those two naps in.
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Post by cmb on Jan 25, 2018 13:20:26 GMT -6
piratecat, when we were at the pedi this morning, I was telling him I wouldn’t complain about sleep because he sleeps at night even if he doesn’t nap. His response was you pick and choose your battles on sleep!
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Post by piratecat on Jan 25, 2018 22:07:16 GMT -6
cmb yea I’ll take every small victory I can get. Bedtime is not stressful like it was for a while and that’s huge. I do wonder if he is still waking so often at night because he never gets enough sleep during the day.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 6, 2018 18:51:18 GMT -6
So we SLIP trained a month ago and J has been doing pretty well at bedtime. Sometimes he falls right asleep without fuss and other times he’ll fuss or cry for a minute or so and fall asleep. It’s never long but it happens more often than not. Then tonight he cried, like really cried for 6 minutes. Ugh and now I feel like I still don’t know what I’m doing. Will he ever get to a point where he doesn’t get upset about going to bed, even for a minute?
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Post by cmb on Feb 7, 2018 10:55:12 GMT -6
So we SLIP trained a month ago and J has been doing pretty well at bedtime. Sometimes he falls right asleep without fuss and other times he’ll fuss or cry for a minute or so and fall asleep. It’s never long but it happens more often than not. Then tonight he cried, like really cried for 6 minutes. Ugh and now I feel like I still don’t know what I’m doing. Will he ever get to a point where he doesn’t get upset about going to bed, even for a minute? It’s a cycle. They complain for a while, then they’re good, then back to complaining.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 7, 2018 11:06:42 GMT -6
So we SLIP trained a month ago and J has been doing pretty well at bedtime. Sometimes he falls right asleep without fuss and other times he’ll fuss or cry for a minute or so and fall asleep. It’s never long but it happens more often than not. Then tonight he cried, like really cried for 6 minutes. Ugh and now I feel like I still don’t know what I’m doing. Will he ever get to a point where he doesn’t get upset about going to bed, even for a minute? It’s a cycle. They complain for a while, then they’re good, then back to complaining. I am really hoping we'll see some teeth soon. He's been so moody and complains about everything and I keep chalking it up to teething but not a single tooth to be seen. I just... want him to not hate sleeping... eventually.
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 7, 2018 16:13:33 GMT -6
piratecatI now admin in the PLS group, and the consensus I’ve gotten from other admins is that 5-10 minutes of complaining is totally normal. Some babies need to blow off steam. DS went through a phase where he just rolled over and went to sleep for a long time, and then for a little while, he would roll/scoot around and yell...not really cry, but yell at us. I feel like it was around the time he really got mobile, and then he was over it. I’m sure he’ll get to a point where he’ll try to stand up and do the same thing. If you think about it, even adults rarely roll over and go straight to sleep. We lay in bed and play on our phones while we wind down. Babies don’t have that option, so sometimes they do random stuff in their crib. Eventually, we’ll have toddlers yelling, “I’m not tired! I don’t want to go to bed!” I’m sure babies communicate that too, but it comes out as crying because that’s their primary form of communicating dissatisfaction with their current situation.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 7, 2018 18:20:49 GMT -6
gimmesugar how cool that you’re an admin now! I do check their page for ideas and to hear about what other people are going through. J has been pretty mobile for a little while but still working on proper crawling form so maybe that has a lot to do with it. In general his bedtime has improved so much but we are still dealing with frequent MOTN wake ups, slowly trying to wean off night feedings, and inconsistent naps, and I just thought/hoped it would be easier. It’s just been a long (and ongoing) process.
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Post by cmb on Feb 7, 2018 18:26:07 GMT -6
piratecat DS1 gets up, runs to the door, realizes he can’t get it open, and goes back to bed. He’ll lay in bed “reading” and rolling around for a good half an hour before finally falling asleep. This has been his routine for a good 4-5 months now. Before that, he was yell at us and beg us to come back in. Before that, he would just lay and play with toys. I still rock DS2 to sleep but he goes back to sleep on his own MOTN when he wakes up, unless he feels like being an asshole, at which time he gets to watch the pretty lights of the mobile and scream until he goes back to sleep
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 7, 2018 18:27:24 GMT -6
piratecat Yes, it is a continuous process, and just when you think you have it figured out, they change it up! If it helps, we’ve been following a 3/3/4 schedule for about 1.5 months now. Sometimes MOTN wakings can be helped with a schedule tweak. Approximate schedule we follow is: Wake: 7 Nap 1: 10-11 Nap 2: 2-3:30 Bedtime: 7:30
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Post by piratecat on Feb 7, 2018 21:00:58 GMT -6
gimmesugar naps have been so bad for a while that I’ve recently gone back to letting him fall asleep on me but trying to distance it from nursing and getting him used to the nap routine. It seems to be working at least getting him on a more regular schedule so it’s looking very similar to yours. Once he gets into a consistent routine I’ll try him in the crib for naps and hopefully the transition won’t be too bad. I wonder if I should try moving bedtime earlier just to see how he does?
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 7, 2018 22:30:59 GMT -6
piratecat If you decide to go that route, make sure to only move it in small increments (like 10-15 minutes). Otherwise, his circadian rhythm will fight it and you’ll get more tears at bedtime. Do you think moving bedtime earlier will help with the nap situation? What’s your current schedule?
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Post by piratecat on Feb 8, 2018 8:45:13 GMT -6
piratecat If you decide to go that route, make sure to only move it in small increments (like 10-15 minutes). Otherwise, his circadian rhythm will fight it and you’ll get more tears at bedtime. Do you think moving bedtime earlier will help with the nap situation? What’s your current schedule? - He usually wakes up around 7AM but it can sometimes be as early as 6:30 and as late as 7:30. - First nap between 9:30 and 10AM. He'll sleep anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours. - Second nap between 2:30 and 3PM, again sleeping anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours. - 7:30 bedtime (I've been diligent about not nursing within half hour of bedtime), sometimes 15 minutes earlier or later depending on his last nap. - MOTN he'll wake up/stir once or twice but usually for less than a minute until midnight-ish when I feed him. Another feeding at 2:30 or 3AM (I'm working on weaning him off this one, we are down to 5 minutes), then again at 5AM. That's our typical schedule when I'm home with him, which is 4-5 days of the week. His schedule is more sporadic at daycare and car naps on the way home (5:30ish, 15 minute drive) are hard to avoid. I've been tracking his sleep with Huckleberry and it says he is sleeping 10.5-11 hours at night and 2-3 hours during the day, so he is getting enough sleep on a good day but probably not on average.
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 8, 2018 9:47:13 GMT -6
piratecatYeah, daycare naps are tough. I don’t think a 15 minute car nap on a bad nap day will mess you up. Here are some suggestions I have based on advice I’ve gotten from Alexis. - Try to lock down his morning wake up to within a 15-30 minute window. With a 7:30 bedtime, a morning wake up between 6:30 and 7 would be normal. The average kid can do 11 hours overnight. Unicorns can do 12+. We target 11.25-11.5 hours overnight. I wouldn’t let him sleep in to 7:30 unless he’s sick. - First nap time looks good. I think folks typically do either 2.5 or 3 hours of wake time. We do 3. When you start doing nap training (ugh), you may find that he needs 3 hours of wake time to fall asleep “easily.” - Looks like you’re shooting for 3.5 hours of wake time between nap 1 and 2? We usually end up with 3-3.5 hours depending on how the morning goes, so I think that’s totally fine. - Awesome that you have a locked down bedtime to at 15 minute window. Just make sure that he gets a full 4 hours of wake time, so the last nap should end at 3:30. The 15 minute catnap on the way home should be fine (unless/until it causes problems). So, on a 2.5/3.5/4 schedule, his *expected* sleep would be 14 hours in a 24 hour period, which is within the average. If his sleep needs aren’t that high, then you could do a 3/3.5/4 schedule. If he’s got the right amount of sleep pressure, he’ll do well falling asleep at bedtime and he’ll be less likely to cry for long periods overnight during the weaning process. Obviously, these are totally just suggestions. You know J best and have to work with your schedule 😊
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Post by piratecat on Feb 8, 2018 10:08:23 GMT -6
gimmesugar, thanks for the suggestions! I know that I have to be more consistent about his wake time but it's so much easier to get ready in the morning with a sleeping baby! I'm going to start waking him up at 7 if he is not up by then. It does seem like he is not that sleep driven (how is this my child? I LOVE sleep). Even on a terrible nap day he is doesn't fight bedtime much. I am working up the courage to nap train again. I did try it once and he did not sleep at all for the first hour and I just couldn't keep it going. SLIP training for bedtime was relatively easy and I'm hoping nap training will be easier/more successful once he's had plenty of time to get the hang of a consistent routine. It's gotta get better right??
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 8, 2018 10:17:33 GMT -6
piratecat I hear you! Plus, I always feel bad about waking him. He’s fine and happy once he’s awake, but I feel like such a jerk! Fair warning, nap training is harder than SLIP at bedtime because the drive to sleep is lower during the day. It usually takes 2 weeks to really “sink in,” and there can be days with zero naps in the beginning. Have you seen the PLS guide on crib hour (aka bore to sleep)?
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Post by piratecat on Feb 8, 2018 10:31:35 GMT -6
piratecat I hear you! Plus, I always feel bad about waking him. He’s fine and happy once he’s awake, but I feel like such a jerk! Fair warning, nap training is harder than SLIP at bedtime because the drive to sleep is lower during the day. It usually takes 2 weeks to really “sink in,” and there can be days with zero naps in the beginning. Have you seen the PLS guide on crib hour (aka bore to sleep)? I have read the book multiple times (I keep thinking maybe I missed something!). I should try some of the podcasts though. He will sometimes play in his crib relatively happily for short amounts of time (usually in the morning when he is well rested and happy) but most of the time he hates being put down and especially being on his back so as soon as I put him into the crib he'll start fussing or crying. He fusses for diaper changes, putting his sleep sack on, at bedtime (but he is tired enough that it doesn't last long before he falls asleep once he rolls over onto his stomach). I wonder if I should sit him down for naps instead of laying him down on his back, which usually makes him more upset? Maybe I'll have a better shot if he's not so upset to begin with?
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Post by gimmesugar on Feb 8, 2018 10:49:46 GMT -6
piratecat Nap training starts on page 186 in the book. He’s probably going to be frustrated either way, but there’s a chance he’ll fall asleep sitting up 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by piratecat on Feb 8, 2018 11:17:04 GMT -6
piratecat Nap training starts on page 186 in the book. He’s probably going to be frustrated either way, but there’s a chance he’ll fall asleep sitting up 🤷🏻♀️ <iframe width="15.519999999999982" height="4" style="position: absolute; width: 15.52px; height: 4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88281801"></iframe> <iframe width="15.519999999999982" height="4" style="position: absolute; width: 15.52px; height: 4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 720px; top: -160px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_51023401"></iframe> <iframe width="15.519999999999982" height="4" style="position: absolute; width: 15.52px; height: 4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_64823770"></iframe> <iframe width="15.519999999999982" height="4" style="position: absolute; width: 15.52px; height: 4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 720px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88416442"></iframe> Anything is worth trying at this point I guess!
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Post by teachermomtobe on Feb 9, 2018 20:32:39 GMT -6
piratecat, does he sleep on his back or belly? V is a belly sleeper and for awhlle she would get very upset when laid on her back until she rolled over and then would fall asleep.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 10, 2018 7:44:51 GMT -6
teachermomtobe he sleeps on his belly too and does the same. Do you put her down on her belly?
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Post by teachermomtobe on Feb 10, 2018 19:36:58 GMT -6
teachermomtobe he sleeps on his belly too and does the same. Do you put her down on her belly? No we still put her on her back but now she doesn’t get upset and eventually rolls to her belly. Before it was instant upset on her back until she got to her belly. I think she is more comfortable and confident moving her body now so she doesn’t get upset.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 11, 2018 13:25:46 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:21:16 GMT -6
I started sleeping training last Sunday and A loved to sleep on his stomach as well. He’s really taken to his crib and likes the extra room. I still put him on his back initially.
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Post by piratecat on Feb 21, 2018 10:30:33 GMT -6
I started sleeping training last Sunday and A loved to sleep on his stomach as well. He’s really taken to his crib and likes the extra room. I still put him on his back initially. J is still in the PnP in our room but he likes to squirm around and sleep wedged against a corner along the short side. I could fit like 3 more babies in there. He almost always sleeps on his stomach and sometimes with his legs tucked in under him - it does not look comfortable...
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Post by cmb on Feb 21, 2018 13:04:01 GMT -6
I started sleeping training last Sunday and A loved to sleep on his stomach as well. He’s really taken to his crib and likes the extra room. I still put him on his back initially. J is still in the PnP in our room but he likes to squirm around and sleep wedged against a corner along the short side. I could fit like 3 more babies in there. He almost always sleeps on his stomach and sometimes with his legs tucked in under him - it does not look comfortable... My 3 year old still sleeps this way.. it’s definitely not comfortable
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Post by piratecat on Feb 21, 2018 13:12:49 GMT -6
J is still in the PnP in our room but he likes to squirm around and sleep wedged against a corner along the short side. I could fit like 3 more babies in there. He almost always sleeps on his stomach and sometimes with his legs tucked in under him - it does not look comfortable... My 3 year old still sleeps this way.. it’s definitely not comfortable Whyyyyy do they do it? I just want to straighten him out but I don't dare touch him when he sleeps.
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