hangry
Platinum
Posts: 1,454 Likes: 4,859
|
Sleep Talk
May 25, 2017 17:45:04 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by hangry on May 25, 2017 17:45:04 GMT -6
Let's continue here. Sleep in general, sleep training, lack of sleep training, etc.
What are you doing?
What's working well?
What could you change?
|
|
hangry
Platinum
Posts: 1,454 Likes: 4,859
|
Sleep Talk
May 25, 2017 17:49:31 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by hangry on May 25, 2017 17:49:31 GMT -6
So I am starting bedtime sleep training. I am taking a page out of my sleep training book and out of sophiegrace's sleep program. I didn't nurse to sleep and tried to put her down as calm as possible. She was doing everything to try to nurse though; it is so ingrained in her routine. So she wasn't exactly drowsy. Anyway, now I'm doing 5 minute check ins. It's been 15 minutes and feels like its been 15 hours. Ugh, this is the worst, but I know it will be worth it in the end. Right? RIght??
|
|
|
Post by sophiegrace on May 25, 2017 18:02:02 GMT -6
Good luck hangry. I hope it clicks for her.
|
|
|
Post by sophiegrace on May 25, 2017 18:03:49 GMT -6
We're...idk...
She wakes up so frequently just crying her head off. We've somehow gone backwards with wake ups. I'm certain it's teething and just really hope whatever needs to come through hurries itself up.
|
|
hangry
Platinum
Posts: 1,454 Likes: 4,859
|
Sleep Talk
May 25, 2017 18:12:01 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by hangry on May 25, 2017 18:12:01 GMT -6
Oh man sophiegrace, I really thought you had turned a corner! I'm sure this is temporary and it's going to click back for her soon. As for us, 25 minutes and she's asleep!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm following the SG plan of not doing night wake ups right now, so let's see how long this first sleep lasts.
|
|
|
Post by sophiegrace on May 25, 2017 18:22:01 GMT -6
Oh man sophiegrace, I really thought you had turned a corner! I'm sure this is temporary and it's going to click back for her soon. As for us, 25 minutes and she's asleep!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm following the SG plan of not doing night wake ups right now, so let's see how long this first sleep lasts. That makes me so happy!!!
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 5:15:06 GMT -6
H goes to sleep pretty easily. Problem is he doesn't stay asleep. We seem to go in cycles. He'll have a small period of time where sleep seems to be improving and I'll get some longer stretches, then BOOM back to square 1. And now that he stopped eating (solids) completely, we are back to nursing every 2 hours (sometimes more frequently) around the clock. And since he's now more active, and therefore burning more calories, every bit is so important. He lost weight this week so I am giving up on trying to decrease overnight feeds until he starts making up the feeds elsewhere. So TL;DR no sleep for me.
|
|
waitwhat
Sapphire
Posts: 4,801 Likes: 15,856
|
Post by waitwhat on May 26, 2017 5:38:04 GMT -6
hangry!! How did it go?! sophiegrace I hope it's just teeth and they pop soon and you guys can both get some sleep. danib ugh. Maybe he'll turn a corner with solids? J took to them much slower than B and we've just recently started doing them consistently. Come on H. Solids are yummy!
|
|
kleigh
Platinum
Posts: 2,246 Likes: 8,195
|
Post by kleigh on May 26, 2017 6:28:19 GMT -6
danib When is his weight being checked again or does it not need to be checked until next appt? AB and AV def go through periodswhere they want to eat every 2 hours instead of every 3 hrs it it is usually only a day here or there. That stinks he doesn't want to eat any foods, was C like that in the beginning? hangry Thats awesome! How'd the rest of the night go? sophiegrace Hi. This couch is so uncomfortable, right? Maybe we've just been sitting here too long. We had a much regressed night last night. Hair pulling (her pulling mine), waking up crying every 30-40 minutes, wanting a second feeding overnight (we've been doing one at 1am and not again until 5am), and waking up and staying up for an hour unable to fall back asleep. Tonight's a new night. We are supposed to have a date night so that will prob throw them both off so I'll just expect to be up most of the night.
|
|
hangry
Platinum
Posts: 1,454 Likes: 4,859
|
Post by hangry on May 26, 2017 7:05:00 GMT -6
danib any guesses as to why he's stopped eating? Are you feeding both sides when he nurses? Maybe consistently offering that will increase his intake. kleigh you know the kids will be angels because someone else will be putting them to bed. Kids! So she started with a 3 hour stretch and no wake ups, which is great for us. All in, she woke up 3 times and I fed her bc it was 3 hours at each wake up. Then I took her to my bed at 5am when she woke again. This is an improvement so I'll take it.
|
|
kleigh
Platinum
Posts: 2,246 Likes: 8,195
|
Post by kleigh on May 26, 2017 7:05:38 GMT -6
That's not too shabby hangry !!!
|
|
|
Post by cookswithwine on May 26, 2017 7:16:59 GMT -6
I'm totally nursing to sleep. He barely eats anything it's just for comfort at this point. I tried putting him down without the nursing the other night and he was not having it. Do I need to try and break him of that habit now or is it ok to continue? Routine is diaper change > jammies > sleep sack > nurse > rock on shoulder > crib. He's sleeping so well right now that I don't want to mess anything up but the nursing has to stop eventually.
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 7:21:02 GMT -6
kleigh he lost 2.5ozs this week. The nurse said not to worry about it unless it becomes a pattern or he starts showing signs of something wrong. C LOVED food so it's really throwing me for a loop. hangry I have never fed from both sides in one session (H or C). I have a ton of milk and he feeds until he is full then doesn't want any more. Part of me wonders if it has to do with having his lip/tongue ties done at a later-than-normal age, and then having to do his tongue a second time, and then needing the cranial sacral therapy. He is SOOOOO particular about what goes in his mouth.
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 7:22:18 GMT -6
cookswithwine nursing to sleep is not a problem unless it is a problem for you.
|
|
waitwhat
Sapphire
Posts: 4,801 Likes: 15,856
|
Post by waitwhat on May 26, 2017 7:48:44 GMT -6
cookswithwine I don't think you need to stop especially if he's STTN for you. J is the same so I'm not messing with anything right now. FWIW I nursed B to sleep until he was 15 months. I was pregnant so he was barely getting anything so it was also a comfort thing. One day I just decided to stop doing it and he was fine. I was totally shocked. Not sure if it's because he was older? I'm totally not rushing J. If it works for him and it works for you then I say don't change anything right now.
|
|
|
Post by sophiegrace on May 26, 2017 7:50:18 GMT -6
danib I was wondering if it was a sensory thing. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this, but I think you're doing a great job handling it. Hopefully in a few weeks he starts loving solids . FWIW, M will only go for solids if she's gone 3+ hours without a feeding so there are quite a few days that she doesn't eat them. I just let her play with them and make a huge mess so that she still associates high chair time with positive thoughts. @cookswithwine9 M nurses to sleep and then I wake her up and put her down. She was only falling asleep with nursing and the association became too strong. On bad wake up nights she was on the boob a million times. If it's not bothering you don't worry about it. I'm only going a different direction so that she (hopefully) eventually learns to self soothe. Jury is still out on whether it'll ever happen.
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 7:51:35 GMT -6
cookswithwine I don't think you need to stop especially if he's STTN for you. J is the same so I'm not messing with anything right now. FWIW I nursed B to sleep until he was 15 months. I was pregnant so he was barely getting anything so it was also a comfort thing. One day I just decided to stop doing it and he was fine. I was totally shocked. Not sure if it's because he was older? I'm totally not rushing J. If it works for him and it works for you then I say don't change anything right now. This was C. We did it until he was around 1.5-2. Then I just stopped (still nursed but not to sleep) and it was fine.
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 7:53:31 GMT -6
sophiegrace yeah that's my new trial. I had asked the nurse if we should step back from it (don't want to make him hate it) but she advised to keep putting him in his chair and offering food so that he keeps the association, as it is a learned skill apparently.
|
|
|
Post by sophiegrace on May 26, 2017 7:53:38 GMT -6
hangry that's great!! I keep trying to push for the no feeds if less than four hours thing, but it's just not happening. Three hours seems to be her max over night. I think instead of trying to settle her over and over and over again until we hit that four hour mark I'm just going to adjust it to every three hours so that we both hopefully get more sleep. And then maybe try again in a few weeks to lengthen the time. Idk. Sound reasonable?
|
|
|
Post by cookswithwine on May 26, 2017 8:17:17 GMT -6
danib waitwhat sophiegraceNursing to sleep isn't an issue for me. He does have a harder time going to sleep when I'm not there. I'm just planning on stopping nursing at a year so I didn't know if it would be easier to break the habit now or later.
|
|
tgrimes
Diamond
Posts: 27,588 Likes: 138,016
|
Post by tgrimes on May 26, 2017 8:41:28 GMT -6
I'm still rocking H to sleep. It's just too easy. I know eventually I'll need to stop though. He's getting a bit better with finding his paci and putting it back in himself. His wakeups vary. If he's constipated, he's up a lot more than usual.
|
|
hangry
Platinum
Posts: 1,454 Likes: 4,859
|
Sleep Talk
May 26, 2017 10:09:23 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by hangry on May 26, 2017 10:09:23 GMT -6
sophiegrace that sounds like a good plan to me! Maybe she will naturally stretch it more if she isn't upset for an hour before eating. Worth a try! danib do you think he might need some more craniosacral therapy? Maybe he's just a bit unaligned or tight and doesn't want to eat because of that? cookswithwine I agree with others, you don't need to stop nursing to sleep. I did it with DS at bedtime for almost a year but he didn't seem as dependent on it. Like, he would go down for naps and put himself back to sleep at night without nursing. DD was only falling asleep with nursing (or car/stroller) and just seems more dependent on it. So that's why I'm making such an effort with her.
|
|
danib
Sapphire
Posts: 4,101 Likes: 12,682
|
Sleep Talk
May 26, 2017 10:26:42 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by danib on May 26, 2017 10:26:42 GMT -6
hangry I'm not sure. Our last appointment she said he was perfect and she didn't expect we'd need to come back. I'll give it a few weeks and ifno improvement I'll make an appointment.
|
|
|
Sleep Talk
May 26, 2017 11:59:49 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by cassiopea on May 26, 2017 11:59:49 GMT -6
I'm totally nursing to sleep. He barely eats anything it's just for comfort at this point. I tried putting him down without the nursing the other night and he was not having it. Do I need to try and break him of that habit now or is it ok to continue? Routine is diaper change > jammies > sleep sack > nurse > rock on shoulder > crib. He's sleeping so well right now that I don't want to mess anything up but the nursing has to stop eventually. I wouldn't worry about stopping now unless you want to. He definitely won't nurse to sleep forever.
|
|
|
Sleep Talk
Jun 10, 2017 10:12:27 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by goldenlove on Jun 10, 2017 10:12:27 GMT -6
Is it ok to bump this up to talk about naps? For those who have their kids (including the older ones) on a nap schedule, please share.
Since we're home with C all week, I figured it's a good time to start a more consistent routine then we can share that with our moms for when he goes back to them. Yesterday we did 7:30, 11 and 3 for naps and it worked out pretty good. Trying the same today so we'll see how it goes.
|
|
vino
Opal
Posts: 9,054 Likes: 56,450
|
Sleep Talk
Jun 10, 2017 10:24:44 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by vino on Jun 10, 2017 10:24:44 GMT -6
J is up for the day usually by 6:30am, her first nap is by 9:30am -10:45ish, I then keep her up until 1:30-2pm and dont go get her until 3:30 the earliest. She wakes up about after 40 min but i let her cry and go back to sleep, she'll 'get it' one day to just sleep through. Bedtime is 7:30pm.
The third nap doesn't work for us because B is home by then and she needs to be where he is so they were ditched a while ago.
|
|
waitwhat
Sapphire
Posts: 4,801 Likes: 15,856
|
Sleep Talk
Jun 10, 2017 12:17:26 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by waitwhat on Jun 10, 2017 12:17:26 GMT -6
goldenlove we are team 2 naps here. It's impossible for J to get that last nap in with my wild toddler running around and making tons of noise. I loosely follow the 2-3-4 schedule. It worked for B and it seems to be working for J. I also do a lot of walking around that 3-5pm timeframe and J never falls asleep in the stroller so I think he doesn't necessarily need that last nap. Our day is roughly like this: 7am wake 9/9:30 nap 10:30/11 wake 1:30/2 nap 2:30/3 wake 7pm bedtime
|
|
|
Post by goldenlove on Jun 12, 2017 8:03:02 GMT -6
So we're on day 4 of our nap schedule and he's been doing really good with it. The first and third nap are only 30-45 minutes and the middle one is closer to 2 hours. Should I worry that he struggles to stay awake for 3 hours? Last night he was almost falling asleep at 6 but we managed to keep him up until 7 for bedtime.
|
|
waitwhat
Sapphire
Posts: 4,801 Likes: 15,856
|
Post by waitwhat on Jun 12, 2017 8:16:02 GMT -6
So we're on day 4 of our nap schedule and he's been doing really good with it. The first and third nap are only 30-45 minutes and the middle one is closer to 2 hours. Should I worry that he struggles to stay awake for 3 hours? Last night he was almost falling asleep at 6 but we managed to keep him up until 7 for bedtime. I don't think so. Every baby is different. Some require more sleep more than others. Remind me, how does he sleep at night? Does he have any MOTN wake ups? You could try pushing his last nap of the day a little bit later so he can make it to 7 without it being a struggle. What time does his last nap end right now?
|
|
|
Post by goldenlove on Jun 12, 2017 8:34:42 GMT -6
So we're on day 4 of our nap schedule and he's been doing really good with it. The first and third nap are only 30-45 minutes and the middle one is closer to 2 hours. Should I worry that he struggles to stay awake for 3 hours? Last night he was almost falling asleep at 6 but we managed to keep him up until 7 for bedtime. I don't think so. Every baby is different. Some require more sleep more than others. Remind me, how does he sleep at night? Does he have any MOTN wake ups? You could try pushing his last nap of the day a little bit later so he can make it to 7 without it being a struggle. What time does his last nap end right now? He's STTN from 7 until 6:30 or whenever we wake him up during the week and doesn't wake up typically. If he does he puts himself to sleep. At the moment, his last nap is ending between 3:45 and 4, depending on when he actually falls asleep. I can try leaving him in his crib to see if he falls back asleep for a little longer. I was originally trying to avoid getting too close to bedtime but that doesn't seem to be an issue for him. All of this might go out the window next week when we're back to car ride naps anyway.
|
|