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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 13:02:15 GMT -6
I'm really not all that surprised that more people are getting boosters (whether or not they 'need' them right this minute, per official guidance), than are getting the all important first and second doses (for the non-J&J crew). I mean, logically this is not the way to go from a public health standpoint, but I'm not surprised www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/health/boosters-outpace-initial-vaccines/index.html
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Post by hawkward on Oct 10, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -6
I just found out that a vocal anti-vax person is sharing a mutual friendās vaccine experience as proof of the vaccine not being safe. But he is completely lying about the circumstances. He said he has a friend whoās neighbor āfound her in anaphylaxis after the first shot after the military forced her to get it.ā Um, I was the one who found her, and she wasnāt in anaphylaxis, she was having a fucking mental health crisis. I didnāt give her her Epipen, I sat on the floor and did breathing exercises with her. And furthermore she wasnāt forced, she wanted to volunteer for a mission and didnāt want to have to go through the testing and quarantine process. The other details he provided were enough for me to know he is definitely talking about her.
Iām going to ask her if she knows whatās up with him before I decide if I will say anything.
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Post by cnf on Oct 10, 2021 14:04:24 GMT -6
I'm very curious what side effects the Moderna booster will have, if approved at the 'half dose' they're talking about. I felt well after my first Moderna shot, under the weather but nothing horrible for 24 hours after the second. Kind of planning not to feel great post booster but hopng the anticipated dosage change will alleviate any major issues. And, yeah, although I hate that the FDA/CDC will feel political pressure on this, not sure how they would go about not approving Moderna/J&J boosters unless they really found negative medical effects. I think a lot of the population think at least Moderna and Pfizer are basically the same exact shot and won't understand approving one and not the other. And I'd be anxious if I had a J&J shot to know what's up with it as well. And I'm really hoping an approved Pfizer for the littles will have minimal side effects. I would not blame any parent for being especially nervous, especially those first weeks of a vaccination roll out. people have been getting the Moderna booster for months now. So I'm not sure what you mean about it not being approved? Do you mean for Gen pop? As for the approval for Gen pop it will come. It is politics that they haven't said it yet. I would guess either Nov or January they will say Gen pop can get a booster. People have been getting a third shot of Moderna. The actual booster shot from them that has yet to be approved is a much smaller dose. ETA, clearly covered, ignore me. RTMFT cnf.
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Post by miawallace on Oct 10, 2021 14:04:45 GMT -6
My dad was able to get a booster at a cvs. Walgreens was being weird and he called me saying so. So I told him to go to a cvs instead. They gave it to him no questions asked. So I can breathe now.
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Post by miawallace on Oct 10, 2021 14:08:53 GMT -6
This was like two weeks ago. When we were discussing boosters/3rd shot here. He also walked in with no appointment at cvs.
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Post by AmyG on Oct 10, 2021 14:13:23 GMT -6
3rd shot for pfizer or maderna is not "just" for severely immune compromised.
I am considered immune compromised due to my thalassemia. so I have an appt coming up.
It's also for over age 65, I told my mom to go get hers even tho she had maderna. She thought she needed to wait for the booster. There is a LOT of confusion with the olds.
It's also for those working with the public like nurses and teachers. So I told my 1 kid doing nursing clinicals to get his, he had pfizer and felt like shit for several days, so trying to fit it into his school 2-3 days a week and then several days of 12 hr shift clinicals.
told my other kid who is teaching college physics lab classes to get his, he had maderna and the cdc called him because of his high temperature and other side effects. He is hesitant.
Dh was told to get his booster cause he's under 65, not immune compromised and doesn't go anywhere, BUT he has comorbidities, like diabetes and heart. so he's supposed to get his next week.
There is a LOT of confusion over the 3rd shot vs. booster.
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Post by babybean on Oct 10, 2021 14:31:29 GMT -6
Tlex have you seen any info on antibodies for our 4 month spacing between shots? I saw a tiktok saying it actually worked really well but it got lost in the algorithm before I could click any links. Itās something Iām curious about for myself but I havenāt found much online for spacing that big.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:50 GMT -6
McBenny, thanks. I've talked with my internist of 10+ years when the third doses for the highly immunocompromised were announced. Right now, given my current health and living situation, he advises waiting for the FDA/CDC approval. If they do not approve a Moderna booster in late October, I'm to check back with him re next steps. And yes I'm fortunate to have consistent, long-term health care providers. Given I had a pretty decent 'under the weather' response to Moderna shot #2 (i.e., fever etc for 24 hours), I think my immune response was ok. I'm hoping the half dose Moderna booster, if that's where we end up, will be basically a walk in the park for me. if you want to wait until other people are approved for something that you clearly qualify for and has been approved then so be it. Stop making 3rd shots and boosters these big different things though. The fact that your doctor from 10 plus years doesn't tell his immunocompromised patient, you to go get a 3rd shot it dumb AF but hey. š¤·š»āāļø
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Post by Eagles on Oct 10, 2021 14:40:54 GMT -6
H got his at Target yesterday no problem, I'm going at the end of the month (got my second at the end of April). I'm not waiting around since it can't hurt.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 10, 2021 14:45:05 GMT -6
Wait are the doses different for "third shot" vs "booster"? I thought it was the same dose.
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Post by mrsweasley on Oct 10, 2021 14:51:48 GMT -6
Wait are the doses different for "third shot" vs "booster"? I thought it was the same dose. It's expected Moderna's booster will be a half dose The 3rd shot is supposed to be for people that would be unlikely to build a normal amount of antibodies after 2 doses (in severly immunocompromised) Pfizer boosters for a larger pool (but not everyone) were already approved and they are the same dose
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Post by jaygee on Oct 10, 2021 15:08:04 GMT -6
Just make sure you wait at least 6 months from your second shot. And then get your booster on.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 15:12:24 GMT -6
sweptaway, as mrsweasley said, Moderna has asked for booster EUA at a half dose of the original two-series dose. Moderna and Pfizer use different dosing for their vaccines. I'm pretty sure we'll hear a lot more discussion the week of October 20. As I understand it, the highly immunocompromised receive three Moderna shots at the original 100 microgram rate. It's all a learning process for us all. I guess I kind of look at it a bit like the flu shot. Not getting the +65 age group flu shot if it's actually more than medically recommended, right? For me, anyway. ... Why would the Moderna booster shot be a half dose? Moderna's current vaccine shot is a 100-microgram dose, compared with Pfizer's 30-microgram dose. Cutting the Moderna doses in half could help reduce the risks of side effects from the booster. It would provide more doses of the COVID-19 vaccine to help more people get the booster when it's their turn. Also, Moderna has been shown to be more effective than Pfizer at preventing hospitalizations, so the FDA believes a half dose could be effective in keeping protection intact, according to reports. ... www.cnet.com/health/fda-could-authorize-moderna-covid-booster-vaccine-at-a-half-dose-what-to-know/
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Post by goldenbird on Oct 10, 2021 15:13:46 GMT -6
Especially with Pfizer, I personally think if you want a booster, go get one. There's plenty to go around here in the US. It's not going to hurt you to get another dose.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 15:19:56 GMT -6
Just make sure you wait at least 6 months from your second shot. And then get your booster on. you don't have to wait 6 months. See above.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 10, 2021 17:03:28 GMT -6
Tlex have you seen any info on antibodies for our 4 month spacing between shots? I saw a tiktok saying it actually worked really well but it got lost in the algorithm before I could click any links. Itās something Iām curious about for myself but I havenāt found much online for spacing that big. Yes, next time I see something Iāll post it and tag you. The TLDR seems to be that luck was very much on our side with that roll of the dice, itās keeping us from needing boosters as soon as we mightāve otherwise. We still expect everyone will need a third dose eventually as after about 7-9 months antibodies seem to drop - but with that said, the drop doesnāt mean youāre suddenly high risk, just that youāre more likely to actually catch covid if youāre exposed and have an asymptomatic or mild case.
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Post by Tlex on Oct 10, 2021 17:11:04 GMT -6
This made me smile
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Post by rvasc on Oct 10, 2021 17:25:40 GMT -6
You have to get tetanus every 10 years, right?
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Post by hawkward on Oct 10, 2021 17:42:14 GMT -6
You have to get tetanus every 10 years, right? 6-7 is generally recommended if youāre high risk, but yes.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 10, 2021 18:01:07 GMT -6
Got in a fight with a family member about the vaccine. Now I feel like shit. This is why I donāt talk to people. Ugh. Quoting myself to say this person and their spouse just made appointments to get vaxxed. š (I donāt know what changed their mind, because I refused to engage on the topic after our fight about it, but Iām glad.)
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Post by mrsweasley on Oct 10, 2021 18:01:34 GMT -6
MH just had to get MMR because he started a PhD, the university required it, and his parents kept terrible records apparently. Or it's been overlooked for years š¤¦āāļø
I bet lots of adults haven't had a Tdap every 10 years. I made my parents get them when DD was born and my dad didn't think he'd had one since adolescence
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 10, 2021 18:01:48 GMT -6
Some people are still changing their minds, just very, very, excruciatingly slowly. After finishing their āresearchā. š
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Post by Minerva on Oct 10, 2021 18:29:03 GMT -6
MH just had to get MMR because he started a PhD, the university required it, and his parents kept terrible records apparently. Or it's been overlooked for years š¤¦āāļø I bet lots of adults haven't had a Tdap every 10 years. I made my parents get them when DD was born and my dad didn't think he'd had one since adolescence H got his Tdap booster last Friday right before we left for a weekend getaway and then proceeded to complain about his stiff arm throughout the trip. I had to remind him that I've gotten it twice in the past decade because of pregnancy. It was definitely the vaccine version of a man cold. š
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Post by Eagles on Oct 10, 2021 18:49:51 GMT -6
You have to get tetanus every 10 years, right? I'm a clumsy mess so I'm usually every 7-8 years. I manage to cut myself on the weirdest, gross metal objects.
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Post by Bluebird on Oct 10, 2021 20:00:32 GMT -6
H and I are both in the antibody studies, because they donāt yet have the data to reliably determine when the average person will need a booster, or what the antibody level is that provides protection. 6 months out from Moderna #2, we both have vaccine antibodies in the 800s, and 0 ānatural infectionā antibodies. (Meaning we havenāt had covid.)
Weāll go back for another draw in 6 months, and again 6 months after that.
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Tlex
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Post by Tlex on Oct 10, 2021 20:37:19 GMT -6
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Post by addymac on Oct 10, 2021 21:18:42 GMT -6
Whatās the latest info about getting a booster if you had the J&J shot? I thought you should get an mRNA booster but my sister is saying they donāt need it. Iām just curious.
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Post by babybean on Oct 10, 2021 21:48:33 GMT -6
Thank you! This was the study that was referenced but I mustāve been googling poorly because I couldnāt find it. The 83% vs 93% with four month spacing for Pfizer is interesting. I feel better about antibodies and what hopefully passed to baby in utero.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 22:34:09 GMT -6
Whatās the latest info about getting a booster if you had the J&J shot? I thought you should get an mRNA booster but my sister is saying they donāt need it. Iām just curious. A J&J booster is coming I read. If it were me I would just start over with one of the mRNA ones. Since they don't know the magic antibody number or why different people hold theirs different times, I believe we will need boosters or a better vaccine. Don't quote me though. š¤·š»āāļø
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Post by flippinchica on Oct 11, 2021 2:33:11 GMT -6
Bluebird I am in the same study 9 months from Pfizer #2 my vaccine antibody level is 622. No natural immunity. I got my booster last week since I work in health care.
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