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Post by abs on Oct 9, 2021 17:46:01 GMT -6
sewf people suck!! I’m so sorry this happened to y’all.
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Post by cnf on Oct 9, 2021 17:48:04 GMT -6
JFC sewf, that is insane. People have completely lost the plot and their GD minds. I'm so sorry.
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Post by sewf on Oct 9, 2021 17:52:47 GMT -6
Thanks. I was on break, so luckily missed everything, but my manager is amazing and I am so worried this will be her last straw. She was ok, was checked by the EMTs, and even stopped to check on everyone else when she went home (early, because like hell were we going to let her stay to finish the shift). It's just a worry that has been in my head for the last 18 months, but I am usually able to push it back in my head for my anxiety. It was just thrown to the forefront today.
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Post by willow on Oct 9, 2021 18:37:02 GMT -6
I’m sorry sewf. Don’t worry now they get to tell their friends and family after they get caught that they got arrested for hulking out at a used bookstore on a Saturday. About a mask.
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Post by sewf on Oct 9, 2021 18:41:49 GMT -6
I’m sorry sewf. Don’t worry now they get to tell their friends and family after they get caught that they got arrested for hulking out at a used bookstore on a Saturday. About a mask. He got away, but apparently left his car until a family member came back for it later. So we have a good picture from our security cameras and a license plate number. Hopefully it’s enough to actually catch him.
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Post by willow on Oct 9, 2021 18:48:32 GMT -6
I’m sorry sewf. Don’t worry now they get to tell their friends and family after they get caught that they got arrested for hulking out at a used bookstore on a Saturday. About a mask. He got away, but apparently left his car until a family member came back for it later. So we have a good picture from our security cameras and a license plate number. Hopefully it’s enough to actually catch him. I bet they will, with a plate #.
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 9, 2021 18:59:41 GMT -6
sewf that’s fucking awful.
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Post by rvasc on Oct 9, 2021 19:02:55 GMT -6
sewf masks are not required here. There was an older lady (masked) taking a while to sanitize her cart. I waited respectfully behind her like my momma taught me to do. This guy comes in without a mask looking very white and brushed past her sighing loudly. It made me so mad. Like, it costs zero dollars to be kind to old people, asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 19:03:58 GMT -6
I’m sorry sewf. I’m glad your coworkers weren’t seriously injured.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 9, 2021 20:18:03 GMT -6
I’m sorry sewf. Don’t worry now they get to tell their friends and family after they get caught that they got arrested for hulking out at a used bookstore on a Saturday. About a mask. He got away, but apparently left his car until a family member came back for it later. So we have a good picture from our security cameras and a license plate number. Hopefully it’s enough to actually catch him. I can’t even imagine calling someone for a favor and being like, I assaulted a couple of bookstore employees over a mask and I need you to go get my car. Or if someone came to me with that story. What’s wrong with people??
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Post by hawkward on Oct 10, 2021 8:58:16 GMT -6
I just got my third shot. It’s weird because my arm instantly felt weird. Not like a scary reaction but like a three day old bruise or something. I’m nervous I’m going to be one of the people who feels crappy from it.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 9:25:08 GMT -6
I'm very curious what side effects the Moderna booster will have, if approved at the 'half dose' they're talking about. I felt well after my first Moderna shot, under the weather but nothing horrible for 24 hours after the second. Kind of planning not to feel great post booster but hopng the anticipated dosage change will alleviate any major issues.
And, yeah, although I hate that the FDA/CDC will feel political pressure on this, not sure how they would go about not approving Moderna/J&J boosters unless they really found negative medical effects. I think a lot of the population think at least Moderna and Pfizer are basically the same exact shot and won't understand approving one and not the other. And I'd be anxious if I had a J&J shot to know what's up with it as well.
And I'm really hoping an approved Pfizer for the littles will have minimal side effects. I would not blame any parent for being especially nervous, especially those first weeks of a vaccination roll out.
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Post by mapleme on Oct 10, 2021 10:47:37 GMT -6
FWIW I got my Pfizer booster on Friday and I had fewer symptoms than I did for my second. I felt nothing but a sore arm on my first. I felt a very sore arm plus some morning vertigo on my second and for this one I only feel a sore arm, and it's less so than for my first and second. I maaaybe am kind of run down, but that could be anything. I got my flu shot at the same time and I don't even have a sore arm for that one. I feel like most anecdotes I'm hearing is that folks are having similar reactions to their third as they had to their second. And I hear from a few outliers who get better or worse reactions.
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Post by leahcar on Oct 10, 2021 11:22:28 GMT -6
I'm very curious what side effects the Moderna booster will have, if approved at the 'half dose' they're talking about. I felt well after my first Moderna shot, under the weather but nothing horrible for 24 hours after the second. Kind of planning not to feel great post booster but hopng the anticipated dosage change will alleviate any major issues. And, yeah, although I hate that the FDA/CDC will feel political pressure on this, not sure how they would go about not approving Moderna/J&J boosters unless they really found negative medical effects. I think a lot of the population think at least Moderna and Pfizer are basically the same exact shot and won't understand approving one and not the other. And I'd be anxious if I had a J&J shot to know what's up with it as well. And I'm really hoping an approved Pfizer for the littles will have minimal side effects. I would not blame any parent for being especially nervous, especially those first weeks of a vaccination roll out. Immune compromised can take a third Moderna dose now. MH is legitimately immune compromised; I may have taken some liberties to get mine. I had a fever, chills, and body aches for 15ish hours. That was similar to my dose #2. MH felt NOTHING with his second dose and was mildly sick for 48 hours with his third. Mostly tired, but some chills the first day.
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Post by leahcar on Oct 10, 2021 11:22:38 GMT -6
I'm very curious what side effects the Moderna booster will have, if approved at the 'half dose' they're talking about. I felt well after my first Moderna shot, under the weather but nothing horrible for 24 hours after the second. Kind of planning not to feel great post booster but hopng the anticipated dosage change will alleviate any major issues. And, yeah, although I hate that the FDA/CDC will feel political pressure on this, not sure how they would go about not approving Moderna/J&J boosters unless they really found negative medical effects. I think a lot of the population think at least Moderna and Pfizer are basically the same exact shot and won't understand approving one and not the other. And I'd be anxious if I had a J&J shot to know what's up with it as well. And I'm really hoping an approved Pfizer for the littles will have minimal side effects. I would not blame any parent for being especially nervous, especially those first weeks of a vaccination roll out. Immune compromised can take a third Moderna dose now. MH is legitimately immune compromised; I may have taken some liberties to get mine. I had a fever, chills, and body aches for 15ish hours. That was similar to my dose #2. MH felt NOTHING with his second dose and was mildly sick for 48 hours with his third. Mostly tired, but some chills the first day.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 11:42:23 GMT -6
leahcar, I have Type 2 diabetes (pretty controlled) and other risk factors, but right now my internist told me to hold tight for the Moderna booster review/approval, based on the materials he's seen and his knowledge of my situation. Granted, I feel pretty comfy with his review after 10+ years together so lucky there. I appreciate hearing the full dose third shot effects in your family and glad you were able to get your shots.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:14:08 GMT -6
I'm very curious what side effects the Moderna booster will have, if approved at the 'half dose' they're talking about. I felt well after my first Moderna shot, under the weather but nothing horrible for 24 hours after the second. Kind of planning not to feel great post booster but hopng the anticipated dosage change will alleviate any major issues. And, yeah, although I hate that the FDA/CDC will feel political pressure on this, not sure how they would go about not approving Moderna/J&J boosters unless they really found negative medical effects. I think a lot of the population think at least Moderna and Pfizer are basically the same exact shot and won't understand approving one and not the other. And I'd be anxious if I had a J&J shot to know what's up with it as well. And I'm really hoping an approved Pfizer for the littles will have minimal side effects. I would not blame any parent for being especially nervous, especially those first weeks of a vaccination roll out. people have been getting the Moderna booster for months now. So I'm not sure what you mean about it not being approved? Do you mean for Gen pop? As for the approval for Gen pop it will come. It is politics that they haven't said it yet. I would guess either Nov or January they will say Gen pop can get a booster.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:14:50 GMT -6
leahcar, I have Type 2 diabetes (pretty controlled) and other risk factors, but right now my internist told me to hold tight for the Moderna booster review/approval, based on the materials he's seen and his knowledge of my situation. Granted, I feel pretty comfy with his review after 10+ years together so lucky there. I appreciate hearing the full dose third shot effects in your family and glad you were able to get your shots. But the Moderna booster is out now? And with you have DM you can yet it.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:18:12 GMT -6
I believe several people in this thread have gotten their 3rd Moderna shot already.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 12:23:46 GMT -6
leahcar , I have Type 2 diabetes (pretty controlled) and other risk factors, but right now my internist told me to hold tight for the Moderna booster review/approval, based on the materials he's seen and his knowledge of my situation. Granted, I feel pretty comfy with his review after 10+ years together so lucky there. I appreciate hearing the full dose third shot effects in your family and glad you were able to get your shots. But the Moderna booster is out now? And with you have DM you can yet it. No, a booster is not. I could get a third full dose of Moderna by saying I'm highly immunocompromised, but I personally am hesitant to do that. FDA chats about Moderna boosters starting a little later this month. Honestly, who knows if the FDA will even go ahead given that Moderna seems to be holding up pretty well against hospitalization/death for the fully vaccinated? I think they will, though. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-cdc-advisers-to-review-moderna-j-26j-covid-19-booster-shots-this-month/ar-AAPhPdD?ocid=uxbndlbing
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Post by lemons on Oct 10, 2021 12:26:35 GMT -6
I got my booster yesterday. I had a really tough time with the second shot and thought I was doing ok with the third but turns out it’s a lot like the second, for me.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:30:23 GMT -6
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Post by mrsweasley on Oct 10, 2021 12:31:52 GMT -6
sewf I hope they find they guy and that all of you are okay emotionally as well as physically
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:32:09 GMT -6
They also don't know the magic antibody number. They don't know why some people get more than others and why some hold them longer than others or why some get some from having covid and some don't. Or why some have immunity for having covid for longer times and some none at all.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:32:51 GMT -6
You also can't OD on a vaccine.
I won't speak to this further.
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Post by mrsweasley on Oct 10, 2021 12:35:44 GMT -6
Moderna is only approved for severly immunocompromised people to get a 3rd (full strength) dose, not a booster. It's estimated quite a few people in the US have stretched the truth to get a 3rd dose though.
ETA: I see I'm slow
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:38:39 GMT -6
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -6
“Basically, boosters are exactly what the word says,” according to Anita Gupta, DO, an adjunct assistant professor of anesthesiology and critical care medicine and pain medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
“Boosters allow people to have an increased immune response.”
The extra dose of vaccine is especially important for the elderly and people with weakened immune systems from conditions like cancer, diabetes, or obesity, due to new variants being discovered, says Gupta.
“There’s a possibility that the immune response from the two-dose vaccine series may not be enough, especially in individuals who would be particularly vulnerable.
“So, the goal is really to help those individuals if they potentially were faced with new variants and to ensure that they don’t have any poor immune response if they’re faced with it.”
Who is eligible for the Pfizer booster? Certain groups of people who have been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine for 6 months or longer can now receive a single Pfizer booster dose, according to updated FDA emergency use authorization guidelines.
You can’t receive the Pfizer booster if you received other COVID-19 vaccines, like Moderna or Johnson & Johnson.
You can get a Pfizer booster if you received the Pfizer vaccine and are a part of one of these groups:
65 years old or older 18 years old or older and at high risk for severe COVID-19 If you work or live in a situation that puts you at high risk for severe COVID-19. For example, health care workers, teachers, and people in prisons and homeless shelters. Go here to see if you or someone you know is at high risk for severe COVID-19.
When can I expect to receive a Pfizer booster if I received another COVID-19 vaccine, like Moderna or Johnson & Johnson? The exact date is unknown, but it shouldn’t take too long, given Moderna recently submitted data to the FDA, and Johnson & Johnson will be following suit very shortly.
U.S. Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy, MD, on Friday said getting boosters approved for everyone, including those who originally got the Moderna or J&J vaccine, is a “high, high priority.”
William Schaffner, MD, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University, agrees it should happen soon.
“I would hope that within the next month to 6 weeks, we will get information about both of those vaccines,” he says. “It will be one right after the other. Each one dealt with separately.”
“I know it leads to a certain amount of confusion, but that’s the way you have to do it because all the data were not assembled at exactly the same time.”
Just the fact that Pfizer boosters are now available to certain high-risk groups is a big sign that boosters for other COVID-19 vaccines aren’t far behind, says Eric Ascher, DO, a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.
“To me, that is a strong indicator that they will be made available to the rest of the population soon,” he says.
Where do I go get my Pfizer booster and how much will it cost? You can get your booster shot at pharmacies, your doctor’s office, health departments, occupational clinics, and federal programs, according to the CDC.
“Over 70% of current COVID-19 administration” occurs in pharmacies, the CDC states.
Boosters for all COVID-19 vaccines are completely free.
“All COVID-19 vaccines, including booster doses, will be provided free of charge to the U.S. population,” the CDC said Thursday.
Do I need to show proof of having received the Pfizer vaccine before getting a Pfizer booster? The short answer is probably not. But for your safety, it’s important to follow FDA guidelines and only get a Pfizer booster if you received the Pfizer vaccine, Schaffner says.
“That has already opened the door to people who have not been vaccinated with Pfizer who are very eager to get a booster, to go ahead and get a booster. That’s not recommended,” he says.
“We always caution people that, while this is unlikely, should you experience an adverse event, if you’re doing it outside the set recommendation, your insurance won’t cover it.”
Do we have to show proof of being high risk due to an underlying medical condition or that we live or work in a place that puts us at high risk for severe COVID-19, or that we are older than 65? No.
It will work on the honor system, Schaffner says. “In other words, you show up and say you’re eligible, you won’t be quizzed about it, and the location, whether it’s a pharmacy or vaccination site, will give you the booster.
“This is the same procedure we already have in place for people who are immunocompromised. All they have to do is show up and say, ‘I’m in an immunocompromised group,’ and they get the third dose.”
Are boosters a full dose or half dose of the Pfizer vaccine? A Pfizer booster is one full dose of Pfizer vaccine, according to the FDA.
But this may not be the same for other COVID-19 vaccine boosters.
“For example, the FDA is considering whether to authorize a lower dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine booster than the dose given in the first two shots,” Gupta says.
But you shouldn’t be too hung up on the dose of your booster shot.
“This is based on the makeup of the vaccine and does not change the level of protection,” Ascher says.
If I am fully vaccinated but haven’t received a booster, am I still considered fully vaccinated? Yes.
“Based on current data, the definition of ‘fully vaccinated’ would remain the same after recommendations for booster dose,” the CDC says.
A person is considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after they complete their initial vaccination series, like two doses of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
When it comes to people who are immunocompromised, it can be a bit more complicated, says Gupta.
“For clarity’s sake, if you are immunocompromised, we’ll call your third shot a third dose. Third doses for immunocompromised people are available now. If you’re not immunocompromised, a third shot is considered a booster.
“According to the CDC, those with moderately to severely compromised immune systems are especially vulnerable to COVID-19 and may not build the same level of immunity to two-dose vaccine series, compared to people who are not immunocompromised. This additional dose intends to improve immunocompromised people’s response to their initial vaccine series.”
Is this going to be an annual booster, like flu vaccines? “We don’t know that yet,” Schaffner says. “We would anticipate that these boosters, because they really boost and increase your antibody levels to a very high level, would provide rather prolonged protection. How long? Well, we’ll have to see.
“Remember, we’re learning about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccinations as we go along, so we can’t predict at the moment whether this will be an annual booster, or every 2 years, or every 3 years. We’ll just have to see.”
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Post by McBenny on Oct 10, 2021 12:48:59 GMT -6
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Post by greykitty on Oct 10, 2021 12:57:34 GMT -6
McBenny, thanks. I've talked with my internist of 10+ years when the third doses for the highly immunocompromised were announced. Right now, given my current health and living situation, he advises waiting for the FDA/CDC approval. If they do not approve a Moderna booster in late October, I'm to check back with him re next steps. And yes I'm fortunate to have consistent, long-term health care providers. Given I had a pretty decent 'under the weather' response to Moderna shot #2 (i.e., fever etc for 24 hours), I think my immune response was ok. I'm hoping the half dose Moderna booster, if that's where we end up, will be basically a walk in the park for me.
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