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Post by Pizzaslut on Oct 7, 2021 10:53:40 GMT -6
Well MIL told MH that she fell down the stairs (but is okay), the cough syrup is not working and she feels like giving up. We're on day 11, please let this start to turn for the better. MH can't take much more.
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Post by brux on Oct 7, 2021 11:11:40 GMT -6
King Gutter Baby said the FDA has a hearing (meeting?) scheduled for October 26 to debate EUA approval.
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Post by brux on Oct 7, 2021 11:12:44 GMT -6
brux thank you for posting that about Kinggutterbaby. I haven't always kept up with this thread this past summer/fall for my own mental wellbeing, so I wasn't up to date on any of that info. When the reports came out about mycarditis in youth post-vaccines, I sort of filed away the info on the back burner to look into when the time for vaxxing kids came along. And wow, it's almost here! I also appreciated her tone that balanced the fact-based risk/benefit analysis with the real anxiety that some parents (all of us humans?) have about making the wrong choices for their kids. I took some screenshots because I know this will come up among my friend/family group at some point. I'm summarizing a few things here to help me remember what she said, and also because I found it helpful/reassuring. There was more to it, so I would encourage people to take a look at the IG story. -All the doctors she works with who have kids (she is an infectious disease researcher studying respiratory pathogens at Emory) enrolled their kids in the vaccine trials. -The reports that made the news earlier this year were from pre-print studies (studies that had not undergone peer review yet) that were found to be flawed. -CDC MMWR found that the risk of myocarditis in kids under 16 who had a COVID infection was 37 times higher than that in kids without COVID. -While the risk of pediatric myocarditis after COVID infection isn't super high, but the risk of pediatric myocarditis after mRNA vaccines is much lower. -The outcomes for myocarditis post-vaccine are much better than those for myocarditis post-infection. -Vaccine cases of myocarditis (while scary) are overwhelmingly mild and resolving. -At this rate everyone who is susceptible will eventually get COVID; the risk of myocarditis from an infection in kids is not huge, but the risk of getting it from vaccines is even smaller. frantastic, would any of these talking points help your H?
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Post by brux on Oct 7, 2021 11:16:29 GMT -6
Reading a WaPo article and this is sobering. The consequences are life-changing: Losing a parent or other primary caregiver is one of the most stressful things that can happen in a child’s life — putting them at risk of a trajectory of depression and post-traumatic stress, as well as physical manifestations of grief, such as heart problems. The data also reveal vast disparities by race and ethnicity — even more skewed toward an overrepresentation of minority communities than covid deaths. In the United States as a whole, 1 out of 500 children lost at least one parent/caregiver. But for American Indian children, it’s 1 out of 168; for Black children, 1 out of 310; for Hispanic children, 1 out of 412, for Asian children, 1 out of 612; and for White children, 1 out of 753. The highest burden of death has occurred along the U.S.-Mexico border, in the South and in tribal areas. Susan Hillis, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researcher and lead author of the study, said she has been lying awake at night worrying about the magnitude of the problem. “It’s disturbing to think about how for every four covid deaths, one child is left behind,” Hillis said. “This is a crisis.”
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 7, 2021 11:16:41 GMT -6
King Gutter Baby said the FDA has a hearing (meeting?) scheduled for October 26 to debate EUA approval. I thought we knew all this last week. Maybe I don't understand the entire process
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Post by brux on Oct 7, 2021 11:19:39 GMT -6
King Gutter Baby said the FDA has a hearing (meeting?) scheduled for October 26 to debate EUA approval. I thought we knew all this last week. Maybe I don't understand the entire process I, too, thought Pfizer had already requested EUA. So I am also confused. But I know a meeting is set for 10/26 for debate. So no shots before 10/26, but hopefully soon after.
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Post by angelashly on Oct 7, 2021 11:23:15 GMT -6
Well MIL told MH that she fell down the stairs (but is okay), the cough syrup is not working and she feels like giving up. We're on day 11, please let this start to turn for the better. MH can't take much more. Oh my. Was she dizzy? or coughing while walking? I hate this for you and you guys. I know how hard it is when you want to help and can't really do that. Luckily my h was 5 minutes from his mom I can't imagine how your husband feels
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Post by kayc on Oct 7, 2021 11:23:31 GMT -6
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Post by angelashly on Oct 7, 2021 11:24:04 GMT -6
I thought we knew all this last week. Maybe I don't understand the entire process I, too, thought Pfizer had already requested EUA. So I am also confused. But I know a meeting is set for 10/26 for debate. So no shots before 10/26, but hopefully soon after. last I saw before today was that they were ready to request and were hoping for shots by Halloween but that was a few weeks ago
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Post by teraiin on Oct 7, 2021 11:25:22 GMT -6
I thought we knew all this last week. Maybe I don't understand the entire process I, too, thought Pfizer had already requested EUA. So I am also confused. But I know a meeting is set for 10/26 for debate. So no shots before 10/26, but hopefully soon after. That’s what I thought also
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Post by kayc on Oct 7, 2021 11:25:53 GMT -6
I feel just crappy enough after my booster that I don’t feel guilty laying in bed all day, but not so crappy I can’t enjoy it. Perfect! I now feel as if a truck ran over me. Spoke too soon! Though this follows what happened after my second shot, should feel better in a few hours.
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2021 11:27:26 GMT -6
King Gutter Baby said the FDA has a hearing (meeting?) scheduled for October 26 to debate EUA approval. I cannot take you seriously when you say "King Gutter Baby said..."
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Post by Pizzaslut on Oct 7, 2021 11:27:54 GMT -6
Well MIL told MH that she fell down the stairs (but is okay), the cough syrup is not working and she feels like giving up. We're on day 11, please let this start to turn for the better. MH can't take much more. Oh my. Was she dizzy? or coughing while walking? I hate this for you and you guys. I know how hard it is when you want to help and can't really do that. Luckily my h was 5 minutes from his mom I can't imagine how your husband feels I have no idea. And that would require MH to ask questions and then communicate with me but that doesn't happen. I get it, he doesn't want to bother her, but it's frustrating.
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Post by thatgolfb on Oct 7, 2021 11:28:07 GMT -6
I, too, thought Pfizer had already requested EUA. So I am also confused. But I know a meeting is set for 10/26 for debate. So no shots before 10/26, but hopefully soon after. last I saw before today was that they were ready to request and were hoping for shots by Halloween but that was a few weeks ago Yeah. I think that the fact that they have formally requested is new.
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Post by Bookshelves on Oct 7, 2021 11:28:11 GMT -6
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2021 11:28:56 GMT -6
I think they submitted the data last week and officially requested EUA today. It's two different steps I guess.
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Post by frantastic on Oct 7, 2021 11:29:01 GMT -6
brux, I actually screenshotted them yesterday! I've also bookmarked some links from @dr.john.d on TikTok and the Deplatform Disease blog.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 7, 2021 11:36:42 GMT -6
I thought we knew all this last week. Maybe I don't understand the entire process I, too, thought Pfizer had already requested EUA. So I am also confused. But I know a meeting is set for 10/26 for debate. So no shots before 10/26, but hopefully soon after. I saw the 10/26 date somewhere last week. Idk where because I consume too much social media
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Post by angelashly on Oct 7, 2021 11:48:02 GMT -6
Oh my. Was she dizzy? or coughing while walking? I hate this for you and you guys. I know how hard it is when you want to help and can't really do that. Luckily my h was 5 minutes from his mom I can't imagine how your husband feels I have no idea. And that would require MH to ask questions and then communicate with me but that doesn't happen. I get it, he doesn't want to bother her, but it's frustrating. It really is ((Hugs))
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 7, 2021 12:20:54 GMT -6
Pizzaslut, I'm sorry about your MIL and the added stress and worry it is bringing to your family. I am keeping you all in my thoughts.
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Post by euphony on Oct 7, 2021 12:29:22 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will.
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Post by sweptaway on Oct 7, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will. I thought it was just a smaller dose of the same formulation.
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Post by TheoV2 on Oct 7, 2021 12:41:36 GMT -6
I had an issue at school with an anti mask parent today and it was really unpleasant. Masks are required by parents and caregivers when they enter the building and have been since last year. It's not a new policy. The entire situation was really uncomfortable and now future interactions with this person, whose child I teach, are going to be awkward as well.
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Post by euphony on Oct 7, 2021 12:45:45 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will. I thought it was just a smaller dose of the same formulation. I hope so. The article I read on the CBC (Canadian news) said we might need to purchase pediatric formulations. It said Canada is probably looking at 2022 for our kids.
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Post by teraiin on Oct 7, 2021 13:12:26 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will. I thought it was just a smaller dose of the same formulation. A nurse friend of mine told me that although it’s “just” a smaller dose there’s more to it than that. Something about needing a certain amount of liquid in the syringes(?) or something for dosing. So they need to be manufactured specific to the pediatric dosing and not just taken from adult vials. That was what I took from what she told me anyway. Most of it went over my head. I’m sure someone here understands it more than me haha
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will. I thought it was just a smaller dose of the same formulation. I don't think it is. It's reformulated because the adult doses were already small to begin with so taking 1/3 of that amount would've been difficult. At least, that's what I read a month or so ago. I assume it's still true as they said they were about to start production at the time.
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2021 13:14:12 GMT -6
I had an issue at school with an anti mask parent today and it was really unpleasant. Masks are required by parents and caregivers when they enter the building and have been since last year. It's not a new policy. The entire situation was really uncomfortable and now future interactions with this person, whose child I teach, are going to be awkward as well. I'm sorry Theo. Navigating these interactions in the workplace is tough.
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Post by AnnPerkins on Oct 7, 2021 13:19:06 GMT -6
10/26 is my youngest's birthday. Sadly, she will be turning 4, so the outcome doesn't super affect her yet.
Hopefully DS, 7, will get quite the goodie bag gift.
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Post by goldenbird on Oct 7, 2021 13:24:25 GMT -6
My H got his booster, and it's the only shot he had any reaction to. Maybe it's cause he had gotten the flu shot a week prior? It was a little weird. Hrm. MH got his flu shot yesterday and I was going to schedule his booster for Sunday. Maybe I should wait. He had no reaction to either dose other than a sore arm.
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Post by taconight on Oct 7, 2021 13:28:04 GMT -6
I read an article that said that there will be a hold up (in Canada at least) while we wait for the 5-11 doses to be manufactured, as we can't just draw them from the adult formulation. They might have already started ramping up production in the US, though. I am sure you will get doses quicker than we will. I thought it was just a smaller dose of the same formulation. What I read about it was that the adult dose is already pretty small, so the kids dose being 1/3 of that is just such a tiny amount of liquid (like 1 ml) that it's not a reasonable amount to accurately measure and administer. So they need to change the suspension. But I thought I did see that they are already producing the kids' vials in anticipation of the approval, just like they did for the adults.
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