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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 11:53:47 GMT -6
I agree with pretty much every word in that article. Especially the part with Yoda having to be the one to burn down the tree. The tension in the theater, by the super fans that you know spent months analyzing every poster, picture, and word for hidden theories was palpable up until that point. When Yoda pulled the proverbial trigger and literally burned the Jedi legends down, im pretty sure I heard a global sigh of relief that it was ok if Yoda says so. Has anyone found people who really didn't like it? I'm curious to see why. *I consider myself a super fan to a point but lean more towards chaotic neutral in that if they burned it all down and started fresh I wouldn't be mad at all. I consider myself a Star Wars super fan, as are my nerd friends. We all really liked it. My sister and I both needed time to process it. If you go back to my first post, I wrote that right when I left the theater. By the next morning, I liked it even more and was so excited about what I had just witnessed. With TFA, it was easier to form an opinion because they basically just restaged ANH with our new cast of characters. The only decisions we really had to make were: -was this an entertaining film? -do we like the new cast? If yes, great, you probably like TFA. I feel like TLJ asked so much more of us.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 11:59:32 GMT -6
I’ve read quite few a posts against the movie though. The reddit mutants complained about not enough light saber battles, and diversity for the sake of diversity. There was also a lot of chatter about Luke’s legacy being ruined, and too much humor. I honestly do not get those people at all though. It makes total sense to me that Luke would fuck up being a teacher and get in over his head, for a multitude of reasons. And the humor? Relax. This is an all ages space adventure film. It involves magic and puppets. It’s supposed to be fun.
Not saying everyone should love the movie. YMMV. I don’t care who does or does not like the movie. I liked it.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 12:22:21 GMT -6
I’ve read quite few a posts against the movie though. The reddit mutants complained about not enough light saber battles, and diversity for the sake of diversity. There was also a lot of chatter about Luke’s legacy being ruined, and too much humor. I honestly do not get those people at all though. It makes total sense to me that Luke would fuck up being a teacher and get in over his head, for a multitude of reasons. And the humor? Relax. This is an all ages space adventure film. It invovles magic and puppets. It’s supposed to be fun. Not saying everyone should love the movie. YMMV. I don’t care who does or does not like the movie. I liked it. The diversity for diversities sake is such a stupid racist argument. It's a movie set in space involving thousands of species. God forbid they cast actors that aren't white. Both my husband and I made comments after the movie that we thought it had a lack of diversity in terms of other species. There were way too many humanoids in the resistance than previous movies. The most amount of species diversity was during the casino scene, which was nice but I felt they could have made a lot more of the supporting and background characters other species.
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Post by Dramaphile on Dec 18, 2017 12:27:45 GMT -6
I agree with pretty much every word in that article. Especially the part with Yoda having to be the one to burn down the tree. The tension in the theater, by the super fans that you know spent months analyzing every poster, picture, and word for hidden theories was palpable up until that point. When Yoda pulled the proverbial trigger and literally burned the Jedi legends down, im pretty sure I heard a global sigh of relief that it was ok if Yoda says so. Has anyone found people who really didn't like it? I'm curious to see why. *I consider myself a super fan to a point but lean more towards chaotic neutral in that if they burned it all down and started fresh I wouldn't be mad at all. I consider myself a Star Wars super fan, as are my nerd friends. We all really liked it. My sister and I both needed time to process it. If you go back to my first post, I wrote that right when I left the theater. By the next morning, I liked it even more and was so excited about what I had just witnessed. With TFA, it was easier to form an opinion because they basically just restaged ANH with our new cast of characters. The only decisions we really had to make were: -was this an entertaining film? -do we like the new cast? If yes, great, you probably like TFA. I feel like TLJ asked so much more of us. TFA was definitely fan-service in some ways. It kept to the old formula because people were nervous about the first movie without Lucas at the helm. The success of TFA, I feel, allowed TLJ to break the old conventions and write new rules. TLJ challenged viewers' ingrained opinions about what Star Wars should be, and I loved that about it. I can see how the hard core fanboys (the same ones who complained about Rogue One and who think Rey is a Mary Sue) would be offended by it. My husband apparently has been arguing with those dudes on Reddit all morning because he thinks it's fun.
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Post by Dramaphile on Dec 18, 2017 12:28:22 GMT -6
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 12:43:31 GMT -6
If any character in the star wars movies is a Mary Sue it is Leia. Bitch is perfect and looks hot in a tiny bikini. Heck the way she aged is #goals.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Dec 18, 2017 13:31:34 GMT -6
A friend that hated TLJ said he’d watch Shyamalan’s Last Air Bender again before he’d watch TLJ again 😂😂😂. I think people being that critical are expecting a very adult, serious ~*~FILM~*~ and have insane expectations about what is and isn’t canon. They all need to calm the fuck down and appreciate Star Wars for what it is: slightly campy sci-go that is supposed to be fun for almost all ages with an awesome, but classic good v evil storyline. I will allow the concession that it’s hard to switch from the very dark, very serious Rogue One to TLJ. I felt it was a sort of palate cleanser from that and hype movie for Episode 9.
And anyone who complains TLJ is too diverse is outing themselves as a casual racist. If the diversity is “distracting” you need to expand your horizons, bud.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 13:59:54 GMT -6
A friend that hated TLJ said he’d watch Shyamalan’s Last Air Bender again before he’d watch TLJ again 😂😂😂. I think people being that critical are expecting a very adult, serious ~*~FILM~*~ and have insane expectations about what is and isn’t canon. They all need to calm the fuck down and appreciate Star Wars for what it is: slightly campy sci-go that is supposed to be fun for almost all ages with an awesome, but classic good v evil storyline. I will allow the concession that it’s hard to switch from the very dark, very serious Rogue One to TLJ. I felt it was a sort of palate cleanser from that and hype movie for Episode 9. And anyone who complains TLJ is too diverse is outing themselves as a casual racist. If the diversity is “distracting” you need to expand your horizons, bud. I wonder how he ranks the SW lineup. I feel that there are some fans that won't be pleased unless they can watch the same three characters go around the same merry go round over and over. Their ideal film is just CGIing luke, Han, and Leia so they don't look old and sending them on adventures in the falcon. Shit blows up, no one develops their character, there's a light saber battle or two and then they go out and do it again the next day. Fuck. That.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 14:04:14 GMT -6
A friend that hated TLJ said he’d watch Shyamalan’s Last Air Bender again before he’d watch TLJ again 😂😂😂. I think people being that critical are expecting a very adult, serious ~*~FILM~*~ and have insane expectations about what is and isn’t canon. They all need to calm the fuck down and appreciate Star Wars for what it is: slightly campy sci-go that is supposed to be fun for almost all ages with an awesome, but classic good v evil storyline. I will allow the concession that it’s hard to switch from the very dark, very serious Rogue One to TLJ. I felt it was a sort of palate cleanser from that and hype movie for Episode 9. And anyone who complains TLJ is too diverse is outing themselves as a casual racist. If the diversity is “distracting” you need to expand your horizons, bud. I wonder how he ranks the SW lineup. I feel that there are some fans that won't be pleased unless they can watch the same three characters go around the same merry go round over and over. Their ideal film is just CGIing luke, Han, and Leia so they don't look old and sending them on adventures in the falcon. Shit blows up, no one develops their character, there's a light saber battle or two and then they go out and do it again the next day. Fuck. That. No, we need lightsabers in every scene! Nonstop awesome lightsaber battles! Raaaaaad.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 14:06:05 GMT -6
I wonder how he ranks the SW lineup. I feel that there are some fans that won't be pleased unless they can watch the same three characters go around the same merry go round over and over. Their ideal film is just CGIing luke, Han, and Leia so they don't look old and sending them on adventures in the falcon. Shit blows up, no one develops their character, there's a light saber battle or two and then they go out and do it again the next day. Fuck. That. No, we need lightsabers in every scene! Nonstop awesome lightsaber battles! Raaaaaad. Funny part is that the original movies had the least amount of light saber battles. It wasn't even a main focal point. SMH.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 20:32:10 GMT -6
Things I loved: Kylo/Ben/Rey. The fight scene with the guards was magnificent. I was so obsessed with Adam Driver in this movie. The fighting on the salt planet. That use of red - amazing. Killing Luke the way they did. It felt right. The revelation about Rey’s parents. The humor. So, so good. Things I didn’t like: The side plot with Finn, especially the gambling planet stuff. It felt so much like pod racing in episode 1 and was a huge turnoff. The whole movie needed tighter editing, no need for it to be 2.5 hours. The styling of laura dern’s character. That purple hair was the worst. While I’m glad they didn’t kill Finn, I really wanted him to fly into the canon. That black bb-8. They really need to give the women stars better hair styles. The various forms of ponytail with weird fringe around the face needs to stop. 100% agreed on Laura Dern's terrible purple hair. But I would have stood up and threw my drink at the screen if they'd killed Finn. Was it the color? The fact that it was purple to begin with? For the first part I was pretty sure her eyes were the same color so I assumed they were making her a humanoid species.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 21:02:11 GMT -6
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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 21:11:53 GMT -6
@heartbot with regards to rey’s parents. Apparently it is NOT planned who Rey’s parents are. Rian inherited JJ’s mysteries from TFA and was told to write whatever. He picked that they were nobodies. He said it’s true at the moment, because the next movie is out of his hands so something could be written to change that. This SHOCKED me, because barring something like Carrie’s death, I assumed these movies were plotted out well in advance.
And they are NOT FRIGGIN SIBLINGS I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL DO NOT EVEN START!!
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Post by sammichcat on Dec 18, 2017 21:15:27 GMT -6
*snip* And anyone who complains TLJ is too diverse is outing themselves as a casual racist. If the diversity is “distracting” you need to expand your horizons, bud. I don't think it's always racist. I don't know about "distracting", but I think it's possible for it to feel forced when adding diversity if the writing or actor sucks. I don't necessarily see that in this movie, maybe Rose, for arguments' sake because I thought she was useless and didn't have enough character, but I've definitely felt that way occasionally for other books or media. And the reverse can be true too, like pp said, the lack of enough aliens felt off to me too.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 18, 2017 21:36:37 GMT -6
I will come back tomorrow with more on your takeaways @heartbot but in the meantime I need to point out that Ben does not tell her she is a nobody. Rey says it first.
I found a screener online so I've watched it a few times and literally just got done watching it again.
Ben says "do you want me to tell you about your parents or have you always known? Go ahead. Say it." Rey: "they were no-one" Other dialogue where he goes into how they sold her for gambling money. Ben: "you are noone, but not to me. Join me" Then Sheila squees so hard she almost passes out while simultaneously scaring her cats half to death. Then Rey does her super shitty I'm above the dark side because the light is so better and you are a monster again thing. (WHYYYYY does every "good guy"" do this in every fucking movie. Why can't once, just once someone say "yes" and then steer them in the right direction afterwards.)
I need to also point out that this scene is to bring to light what Rey already knows and has been hiding from. I think Kylo saw through her farce back when he read her thoughts in the first movie. She doesn't question or deny anything he says. Even Luke, when Vader told him he was his father, was like "no fucking way".
I don't get this need for there to be more to it than there is.
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Post by sammichcat on Dec 18, 2017 21:38:47 GMT -6
I don't think it's always racist. I don't know about "distracting", but I think it's possible for it to feel forced when adding diversity if the writing or actor sucks. I don't necessarily see that in this movie, maybe Rose, for arguments' sake because I thought she was useless and didn't have enough character, but I've definitely felt that way occasionally for other books or media. And the reverse can be true too, like pp said, the lack of enough aliens felt off to me too. I didn't think Rose was useless at all. I think she was there to move forward a major plot point about failure, which was the theme of the whole movie. You don't have to be successful to be useful, and in the end, she saved Finn from himself. She also stated the entire point of what makes the Resistance/light side wholly different from the First Order/dark side. I think she had her moments. Like her first scene being in awe of a hero and her being a nobody in her own mind. And then her disgust when she discovers what Finn is doing. Her role could have ended there for me and I would have really liked her. But the whole middle? Just spilling a back story and loving animals is not enough for me. And I agree the end was really good too, but I think having Poe do it would have been even better (and the kiss would have been 1000% better IMO).
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Post by theseaword on Dec 18, 2017 21:39:41 GMT -6
DH went to see it for the first time tonight. I am up past my bedtime excitedly waiting for him to get home. Hope he feels like chatting and then reading 7 articles at midnight.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Dec 18, 2017 21:56:19 GMT -6
*snip* And anyone who complains TLJ is too diverse is outing themselves as a casual racist. If the diversity is “distracting” you need to expand your horizons, bud. I don't think it's always racist. I don't know about "distracting", but I think it's possible for it to feel forced when adding diversity if the writing or actor sucks. I don't necessarily see that in this movie, maybe Rose, for arguments' sake because I thought she was useless and didn't have enough character, but I've definitely felt that way occasionally for other books or media. And the reverse can be true too, like pp said, the lack of enough aliens felt off to me too. I was specifically referencing TLJ bc yeah, if some one suddenly decided a movie about the Cherokee needed some Asian characters for diversity sake then that’s dumb. I just feel like you can critique Rose or Finn without bringing their race into it. I honestly think most of the people pissy about “diversity” in TLJ really mean “THERE’S TOO MANY WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS!!!” Fragile masculinity and all that. I also figured that there was a lack of aliens due to their cost to create/animate. But I’m guessing that would have barely been a drop in the Star Wars budget so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by sammichcat on Dec 18, 2017 22:27:47 GMT -6
I don't think it's always racist. I don't know about "distracting", but I think it's possible for it to feel forced when adding diversity if the writing or actor sucks. I don't necessarily see that in this movie, maybe Rose, for arguments' sake because I thought she was useless and didn't have enough character, but I've definitely felt that way occasionally for other books or media. And the reverse can be true too, like pp said, the lack of enough aliens felt off to me too. I was specifically referencing TLJ bc yeah, if some one suddenly decided a movie about the Cherokee needed some Asian characters for diversity sake then that’s dumb. I just feel like you can critique Rose or Finn without bringing their race into it. I honestly think most of the people pissy about “diversity” in TLJ really mean “THERE’S TOO MANY WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS!!!” Fragile masculinity and all that. I also figured that there was a lack of aliens due to their cost to create/animate. But I’m guessing that would have barely been a drop in the Star Wars budget so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sure, but I also think that when something feels off you want a reason for why it ended up that way to explain it - just like your money hypothesis, which I agree with, to explain the lack of aliens. And I think being lazy about how you add diversity or depth (like technology) can be the culprit for something feeling off. (ETA: by just wanting more so it's thrown in sloppily.) Sometimes. Not always, I agree. But sometimes. I just worry about good discussions getting derailed because key words like race or gender are used and the discussion gets dismissed on suspicion that this person is an a-hole. But that's also because there are a lot of a-holes to make it a legit concern and they can make the rest look bad. This made me chuckle:
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Post by sammichcat on Dec 18, 2017 23:03:18 GMT -6
I will come back tomorrow with more on your takeaways @heartbot but in the meantime I need to point out that Ben does not tell her she is a nobody. Rey says it first. I found a screener online so I've watched it a few times and literally just got done watching it again. Ben says "do you want me to tell you about your parents or have you always known? Go ahead. Say it." Rey: "they were no-one" Other dialogue where he goes into how they sold her for gambling money. Ben: "you are noone, but not to me. Join me" Then Sheila squees so hard she almost passes out while simultaneously scaring her cats half to death. Then Rey does her super shitty I'm above the dark side because the light is so better and you are a monster again thing. (WHYYYYY does every "good guy"" do this in every fucking movie. Why can't once, just once someone say "yes" and then steer them in the right direction afterwards.) I need to also point out that this scene is to bring to light what Rey already knows and has been hiding from. I think Kylo saw through her farce back when he read her thoughts in the first movie. She doesn't question or deny anything he says. Even Luke, when Vader told him he was his father, was like "no fucking way". I don't get this need for there to be more to it than there is. I had the opposite reaction you had, which I hated because I want them together so bad. IMO he didn't dispute her statement and instead made it about him being such a good person for wanting her despite her being nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if he told her no one would love her like he could because she is nothing. I hope I'm totally wrong! I feel like this is literally what happened in another movie proposal from a villain.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 19, 2017 4:54:30 GMT -6
I will come back tomorrow with more on your takeaways @heartbot but in the meantime I need to point out that Ben does not tell her she is a nobody. Rey says it first. I found a screener online so I've watched it a few times and literally just got done watching it again. Ben says "do you want me to tell you about your parents or have you always known? Go ahead. Say it." Rey: "they were no-one" Other dialogue where he goes into how they sold her for gambling money. Ben: "you are noone, but not to me. Join me" Then Sheila squees so hard she almost passes out while simultaneously scaring her cats half to death. Then Rey does her super shitty I'm above the dark side because the light is so better and you are a monster again thing. (WHYYYYY does every "good guy"" do this in every fucking movie. Why can't once, just once someone say "yes" and then steer them in the right direction afterwards.) I need to also point out that this scene is to bring to light what Rey already knows and has been hiding from. I think Kylo saw through her farce back when he read her thoughts in the first movie. She doesn't question or deny anything he says. Even Luke, when Vader told him he was his father, was like "no fucking way". I don't get this need for there to be more to it than there is. I had the opposite reaction you had, which I hated because I want them together so bad. IMO he didn't dispute her statement and instead made it about him being such a good person for wanting her despite her being nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if he told her no one would love her like he could because she is nothing. I hope I'm totally wrong! I feel like this is literally what happened in another movie proposal from a villain. Yeah, he totally negged her. I don’t think he was deliberately trying to be cruel. I think he was trying to show her his world view- that the rest of the universe was shitty and broken, and they should burn it all down and rebuild. And when he says she’s nothing except to him, she’s basically like fuck that, no. I still have people.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 19, 2017 5:53:42 GMT -6
DH loved it too. He likes Stars Wars fine, but it’s not a huge fandom for him so I’m psyched he’s jazzed. He came home with the same impression of Kylo I initially had-that after his choice in the throne room, he’s doomed. So I think I’m letting hope cloud my mind (heh). I’m leaning back towards camp not redeemable, and he’s our third act villain.
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Post by Dramaphile on Dec 19, 2017 8:33:37 GMT -6
I didn't mind Laura Dern/Admiral Holdo's costume and hair. I feel like making her not look "like an admiral" gave us that moment when Poe sees her after she takes over command and he immediately discounts her in part because of the way she looks. This movie is so much about defying conventions and how things are not what they seem, and she is part of that. J got a book that goes into more details on the characters and her planet is very proud that they are free spirits and their dress reflects that.
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Post by Dramaphile on Dec 19, 2017 8:38:17 GMT -6
We had a long talk last night about a bunch of things in the movie, and one thing I think will be interesting to see in the next one is how the First order reacts to Kylo as the supreme leader. I feel like he has a bit of a Trumpian vibe about him in that he has trouble controlling his emotions and temper, and is impulsive, and that is often his downfall. Hux is obviously questioning his ability as a leader. I wonder if they will jump ahead a few years in the next one and will we see a more mature Kylo?
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Post by theseaword on Dec 19, 2017 9:57:19 GMT -6
DH loved it too. He likes Stars Wars fine, but it’s not a huge fandom for him so I’m psyched he’s jazzed. He came home with the same impression of Kylo I initially had-that after his choice in the throne room, he’s doomed. So I think I’m letting hope cloud my mind (heh). I’m leaning back towards camp not redeemable, and he’s our third act villain. It would be nice, though, if while upending all these other Star Wars narratives, if the big bad could also end up being redeemable in the end. That was Vader’s thing though. I want a new thing. I hope they surprise me somehow.
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Post by theseaword on Dec 19, 2017 10:23:03 GMT -6
That was Vader’s thing though. I want a new thing. I hope they surprise me somehow. The ultimate big bad in the original trilogy though wasn't Vader, but Palpatine. Vader was redeemed. Palpatine wasn't. What do you do when your secondary big bad can no longer partially blame an evil, unredeemable puppetmaster for at least some of their actions? I really really wish Rian was going to be our episode nine director. I feel like JJ is going to really want to keep his nerd fanboy street cred and will play it safe.
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Post by athn64 on Dec 19, 2017 11:13:12 GMT -6
I loved this movie saw it on Sunday. We're huge SW needs. I kind of want a grey Rey and am now imagining a fabric where she accepts Kylo's offer.
I also liked the failure. I expected them to succeed in their daring plot and they didn't. It was a good change to see that the heroes don't always have to win.
I also like that Rey is not the daughter or relative of any of the original characters. Let her be herself. She doesn't need to be a Skywalker or Kenobi.
I also enjoyed the training scenes. I know Luke is all angst and angry but the fact that he points out that good and evil need balance and that maybe the Jedi aren't as great as everyone thinks really resonated. The Force is there regardless and you don't have to be a Jedi to use it.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 20, 2017 8:32:06 GMT -6
@heartbot and everyone who didn't like the Kylo/Rey scene about her parents, I think you are putting words in his mouth because you don't like him and that's ok. I get it. He was a whiny shitty person in the last movie and I was 110% onboard with the fuck Kylo train. But at no point did he ever say "you are noone to anyone but me". They could have easily put in that phrase, but they didn't.
That entire exchange between them goes back to the most important scene in the movie which is the sea cave/campfire scene. We see Rey go down into the cave and she tells us she went looking for answers. She asks it to show her her parents and just like Luke was shown that his greatest fear was becoming his worst enemy, Rey is shown her greatest fear that she is truly alone and the family that she has so longed for is really gone. Then we hear her voice over and the scene changes to her by the campfire in her hut. She's wrapped in a blanket and warming herself by the fire because she has JUST gotten out from that cave. The camera pans out and you expect her to be talking to Luke, but no, she's talking to Kylo through the force. And she says "I have never been more alone and neither have you" DO YOU REALIZE HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS IS?!
This means that the person she trusts the most with this information isn't Luke, her teacher, or even Chewie for that matter. It's the guy she tried to shoot with a blaster through the force only a few days ago. The one she keeps calling a monster. She realizes that she has more in common with this person than ANY of the people she has met on this journey so far. She shares this with Kylo. She then reaches out to him and they touch in one of the most intimate exchanges I think I've ever seen on film.
Now going back to the exchange after the lightsaber fight. It ends and she immediately runs over to the view screen saying they can still save the resistance. And that's when Kylo loses and it yells at her that she's "still holding on". His incredulity at that moment is understandable when she just fucking told him that she was alone. That she understood why he felt alone. He thought they were on the same page and they obviously are not. So he brings up her parents and reveals to her what she already knows, because he's hoping that if she admits to herself that they were nothing and she has nothing left to hang onto she will be able to let go. So he says "you are nothing, but not to me" because he wants her to know that although she thinks she is nothing, because she comes from nothing, she is not. He understands her. She doesn't have to be alone anymore.Keep in mind Kylo doesn't have friends, so the thought would never cross his mind that she would want to stay and fight for them. That she is not really alone and nothing because of them.
I also don't think she left because of her friends. I think she left because that's what she feels is the right thing to do. The people she knew from the first movie were Finn, Leia, and Chewie. She still thinks Finn is still in a coma. Chewie dropped her off, and I don't think she really knows that Leia is on those ships. I think Luke's words about her going straight to the dark without resisting are whats really motivating her. She will resist it at all costs because she feels she is stronger than it.
Sorry this was a novel. I had a shit day at work yesterday and couldn't get on to post, so I've been going over this all for the last 2 days.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 20, 2017 8:34:44 GMT -6
My friend sent me this article and I was going to come here and post it. I laughed so hard at the uncomfortably large chest comment. I loved cranky Luke and the weirdness. It was probably my favorite part. It's such a stark contrast to Obi Wan who may have been a hermit, but you could never ever imagine drinking weird sea cow manatee milk straight from the teat. He's probably clutching his ghost pearls at the thought. You know he was in his hovel drinking tea and reading books all those years like a proper Jedi.
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Post by sheilathetank on Dec 20, 2017 8:39:49 GMT -6
@heartbot with regards to rey’s parents. Apparently it is NOT planned who Rey’s parents are. Rian inherited JJ’s mysteries from TFA and was told to write whatever. He picked that they were nobodies. He said it’s true at the moment, because the next movie is out of his hands so something could be written to change that. This SHOCKED me, because barring something like Carrie’s death, I assumed these movies were plotted out well in advance. And they are NOT FRIGGIN SIBLINGS I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL DO NOT EVEN START!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think whoever she is, Ben knows more about her than he's letting on, and I do believe somehow, he knew she was on Jakku and he put her there to protect her--from Luke, from Snoke, maybe even from himself, by doing his level best to ensure she was never trained and nobody would be the wiser about her. Especially given that she was on Jakku, where the Empire took its dying gasp, and that her name is very similar to the founder of the First Order...she's not a nobody. I also don't believe for a second that there isn't some rough outline of who Rey's parents are. The way Abrams and Johnson both have carefully worded their perspectives on this matter throughout, I think the "truth" they're telling is a lot like the truth Ben was telling Rey about her own parents. It may be accurate, but the meaning behind it can be read many ways depending on your perspective. I am so confused by this theory. I need more info. How would she not remember any of this? Why wouldn't Kylo use that as his trump card for her to join him? "Your parents are my parents and we should be a team, sis". How would Luke not remember her? If he thought she was dead you would think he would freak the fuck out that she was really alive. If Kylo wanted her to never train why would he tell her she needed a teacher? If he put her there to protect her why did he break into her mind, tie her up, and try to kill her?
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