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Post by Cher on Mar 21, 2021 11:15:28 GMT -6
How have I never heard about this case? I was in my young 20’s and living in Philly. Although, that’s prob why I never heard of it. |
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Post by sweptaway on Mar 21, 2021 11:32:50 GMT -6
How have I never heard about this case? I was in my young 20’s and living in Philly. Although, that’s prob why I never heard of it. It was all over the news then but also I was a tcnj alum so maybe I heard more? But I'm surprised there isn't more about it now. |
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Post by Cher on Mar 21, 2021 11:35:23 GMT -6
How have I never heard about this case? I was in my young 20’s and living in Philly. Although, that’s prob why I never heard of it. It was all over the news then but also I was a tcnj alum so maybe I heard more? But I'm surprised there isn't more about it now. Reading it, I kind of guess horrible drunken accident. |
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Post by sweptaway on Mar 21, 2021 11:36:48 GMT -6
It was all over the news then but also I was a tcnj alum so maybe I heard more? But I'm surprised there isn't more about it now. Reading it, I kind of guess horrible drunken accident. I think that is what most people settled on. It's really sad. |
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Post by Yogurt on Mar 21, 2021 11:41:26 GMT -6
That case reminds me of an episode of CSI Las Vegas called Chaos Theory.
Funny how the kid mentions, the proximity of "tcnj" to Trenton and how the university tries to downplay that. I mean, they went so far as to change the name of the school to get rid of the word "Trenton", so he ain't wrong
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Post by Yogurt on Mar 21, 2021 11:43:43 GMT -6
I also had never heard of that case though and I grew up in Hamilton, but I had long moved away by 06
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Post by joy on Mar 21, 2021 17:11:11 GMT -6
Reading it, I kind of guess horrible drunken accident. I think that is what most people settled on. It's really sad. This reminds me of the Unsolved Mystery with the senator(?) from DE who was found in the landfill. They think it’s possible he climbed in the dumpster and died. I vaguely remember the TCNJ story. How sad. |
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Post by sweptaway on Mar 21, 2021 17:31:26 GMT -6
I think that is what most people settled on. It's really sad. This reminds me of the Unsolved Mystery with the senator(?) from DE who was found in the landfill. They think it’s possible he climbed in the dumpster and died. I vaguely remember the TCNJ story. How sad. Oh my gosh yes that was a crazy story too. So many things in the world we will never have answers to. |
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Post by ArielMermaid on Mar 22, 2021 6:26:14 GMT -6
Listening to Ruben absolutely refuse to answer questions about his work route is infuriating. My gosh. Like I can't imagine being the person questioning him?! GUILTY Ruben really got me with that bedliner though. That was too much. He went full Hilaria with the bedliner. “How do you say.... cucumber?” “WHaT iS a bEdLiNer?” Fucking asshole. |
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Post by joy on Mar 22, 2021 6:56:33 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on Mar 22, 2021 7:52:17 GMT -6
I finished the podcast. I had no idea about this case considering I was a kid when this happened. It's frustrating how much has fallen through the cracks by shotty police work/investigating. I am left with some hope with the recent task force and his interview (forgot his name) since there seems to be more going on behind the scenes such as sending evidence off to new technology.
The Coca Cola retelling gave me chills and gives so much more depth to how much of shitbag Paul is.
My main take away that has been bugging me: why would the family offer a plea deal/bargain and then withdraw? This feels like an admission of guilt. Accessory to murder and 6 years? I feel like just making the offer is an admission of guilt and it's been really bugging me.
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Post by mc03 on Mar 22, 2021 8:58:07 GMT -6
Since a few people have asked... offers of a plea bargain are inadmissible in court. (I practice criminal law). It’s an old evidence code rule that is been around forever. Otherwise it would make it impossible to resolve some cases if a defendant was concerned that every offer or conversation around plea bargaining could be used against him. So that fact would be absolutely no help to proving a case in court.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 22, 2021 9:05:41 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit. I know right? I keep checking. I feel like some real dirt on Paul would be given on an anonymous subreddit. |
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Post by ftwr on Mar 22, 2021 12:46:56 GMT -6
I'm finishing up the last episode of the podcast. I hate this. I feel like she's been buried on one of the Flores's properties for the past 25 years, just under everyone's nose.
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Post by Cher on Mar 22, 2021 14:28:07 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit. There’s a FB group. It’s a lot. As those things are. |
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Post by joy on Mar 22, 2021 14:29:05 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit. There’s a FB group. It’s a lot. As those things are. That’s too much. Facebook groups always feel large and chaotic.0 |
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Post by McBenny on Mar 22, 2021 15:43:36 GMT -6
Just finished the podcast yesterday. The Flores family are so, so guilty. How devastating for the Smarts. Also, I was so furious at the Australian exchange student who saw people struggling (possibly Paul and Kristin), and just rode past. Things could have been so different. I would have kept going and made a mental note of it and that's it.
I don't call the police on anyone unless I know for sure something is going on. (Lifelong mistrust of LEO)
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Post by McBenny on Mar 22, 2021 15:47:35 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit. What do you mean? There are many threads there. |
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Post by McBenny on Mar 22, 2021 15:49:33 GMT -6
I just have to say okcammie's yard does not back up to Flores's yard. She was walking there and passing by from across the street.
I just had to address that loose info.
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Post by joy on Mar 22, 2021 16:06:18 GMT -6
I wish Kristin Smart had a subreddit. What do you mean? There are many threads there. Yes, there are individual threads on different subreddits. I’d love a subreddit dedicated to her where people go in crazy detail. The subreddits for Alex Sharkey and the Watts murders are very intense. |
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Post by bustedbiscuits on Mar 22, 2021 16:31:28 GMT -6
Since a few people have asked... offers of a plea bargain are inadmissible in court. (I practice criminal law). It’s an old evidence code rule that is been around forever. Otherwise it would make it impossible to resolve some cases if a defendant was concerned that every offer or conversation around plea bargaining could be used against him. So that fact would be absolutely no help to proving a case in court. Thank you for clarifying. Just offering a plea felt off/odd since there were no charges being brought against Paul/Flores' at the time. It rubbed me as very odd in general. I have no idea how law works but it's one fact that stuck out in the podcast. |
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Post by mc03 on Mar 22, 2021 19:16:24 GMT -6
Since a few people have asked... offers of a plea bargain are inadmissible in court. (I practice criminal law). It’s an old evidence code rule that is been around forever. Otherwise it would make it impossible to resolve some cases if a defendant was concerned that every offer or conversation around plea bargaining could be used against him. So that fact would be absolutely no help to proving a case in court. Thank you for clarifying. Just offering a plea felt off/odd since there were no charges being brought against Paul/Flores' at the time. It rubbed me as very odd in general. I have no idea how law works but it's one fact that stuck out in the podcast. Oh it’s definitely odd. And for sure makes him look guilty. I was just commenting that it’s not evidence that could be used in court. |
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Post by Cher on Mar 22, 2021 19:37:17 GMT -6
Yes, wasn’t part of the plea deal he offered to tell where her body is? I have zero empathy that his family is bothered by onlookers, has had their property searched, etc. Don’t want to live that life? Don’t be monsters.
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Post by Yogurt on Mar 23, 2021 0:20:54 GMT -6
Cher here is the plea deal pic 
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Post by sweptaway on Mar 23, 2021 5:31:42 GMT -6
He pulled his plea offer before the Smarts could respond right? That's so so awful. I can't imagine how they must feel having been so close to some answers.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 23, 2021 7:51:22 GMT -6
Let me say this. I haaaaate pod casts. Trying to hear this one. I know I'll be the only one but i don't want to hear from classmates neighbors and family etc. Maybe cause it just drags this podcast shit for me.
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Post by Yogurt on Mar 23, 2021 7:57:38 GMT -6
Let me say this. I haaaaate pod casts. Trying to hear this one. I know I'll be the only one but i don't want to hear from classmates neighbors and family etc. Maybe cause it just drags this podcast shit for me. I feel like Chris Lambert (the host) keeps it moving. He interviews people, but they have a purpose, like to talk about what a skeez Paul has always been even in high school or they were at the party that night. Not a lot of filler. I really hope you like the podcast. |
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Post by leatherpants on Mar 23, 2021 8:55:29 GMT -6
Let me say this. I haaaaate pod casts. Trying to hear this one. I know I'll be the only one but i don't want to hear from classmates neighbors and family etc. Maybe cause it just drags this podcast shit for me. My number one pet peeve of podcasts is when the podcaster talks incessantly about themselves and how this affected them. And like all the stories of him being a dick are interesting but let’s summarize, people and keep it moving. Get me to the evidence. I found the first episode to drag out with a lot of that, but it’s picking up now a bit. |
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Post by Cher on Mar 23, 2021 10:41:50 GMT -6
Cher here is the plea deal pic They’re monsters. I hope they get their backyards dug up on a monthly basis. |
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Post by Sundae on Mar 23, 2021 10:43:29 GMT -6
OMG with that plea deal. Fuck these assholes.
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