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Post by redbears on Aug 2, 2020 15:08:33 GMT -6
hawkward ,it's super interesting!! peachesncream , part of it is we don't continue to test people for RSV/ILI/HMP using the PCR tests after their acute infection so it could happen with those tests too This is a big reason why the shift has moved away from negative tests for returning to work/moving patients etc. There is still a lot of work to be done, but most of the work coming out indicate infectiousness decreases from symptom onset and testing positive after acute illness has no bearing on infectiousness But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus.
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Post by cp3 on Aug 2, 2020 15:28:48 GMT -6
That is super interesting drr. A friend of mine was testing positive until almost 9 weeks. She kept getting tested because she needs to have follow-ups with a neurologist and cardiologist but they wouldn't see her without a negative test. I wonder if they aren't contagious anymore why they wouldn't see her. Or maybe it's just not widely known that they can't spread it anymore after a certain time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 15:35:14 GMT -6
hawkward ,it's super interesting!! peachesncream , part of it is we don't continue to test people for RSV/ILI/HMP using the PCR tests after their acute infection so it could happen with those tests too This is a big reason why the shift has moved away from negative tests for returning to work/moving patients etc. There is still a lot of work to be done, but most of the work coming out indicate infectiousness decreases from symptom onset and testing positive after acute illness has no bearing on infectiousness But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus. I was thinking this, too. So bizarre.
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Post by icedcoffee on Aug 2, 2020 15:48:20 GMT -6
People on my town Facebook page are all up in arms about my state “faking the data”. Turns out when someone tests positive, they only include it in the positive is new. So someone who has Covid, then gets tested again and still has it, isn’t in the count. I’m confused by the anger. Why would we include people in the positive test count if we already know they are sick? Am I missing something? I get how that data is useful for other reasons, but if I’m looking to see how many positive tests there are in a day, I would think including retesting sick people would be more misleading. This is funny because all the outrage I have seen is that people think that all positive tests, including currently known positives, are being counted as new cases. The situation you mentioned is exactly how it should be done. I was going to say the same for here
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Post by drr on Aug 2, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -6
drr Now I want to get H tested again to see if he’s still +. He was acutely I’ll in the same time frame. I also wish we’d have tested the boys for active virus instead of just antibodies. I wanted to re-test DS2 but I didn’t want to traumatize him all over again just for my own curiosity. I’m happy I’m not in a clinical setting now but also limited access to the information coming out is frustrating. Are you doing antibody tests as well? ETA let me know if you want me to poof anything that pertains to you and your family’s health. I've been consistently testing positive for PCR, but negative for antibodies (not surprising knowing my medical history). My son only recently started testing negative for the PCR, but has been consistently positive on the antibody test. There are many people who will test pos-neg-pos-neg with varying degrees, but even after a few negative tests might test positive. This is NOT indicative of a reinfection, but identifying viral fragments.
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Post by drr on Aug 2, 2020 15:52:39 GMT -6
hawkward ,it's super interesting!! peachesncream , part of it is we don't continue to test people for RSV/ILI/HMP using the PCR tests after their acute infection so it could happen with those tests too This is a big reason why the shift has moved away from negative tests for returning to work/moving patients etc. There is still a lot of work to be done, but most of the work coming out indicate infectiousness decreases from symptom onset and testing positive after acute illness has no bearing on infectiousness But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus. it's the asymptomatic period PRIOR to acute illness that is so infectious. Once symptoms start the infectiousness starts to decrease which is why the isolation recommendations are shorter for a confirmed positive acutely ill compared to someone who was exposed to the virus. After the acute infection ends people are not asymptomatic- the tests are very sensitive and pick up lingering viral fragments that are no longer contagious
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Post by icedcoffee on Aug 2, 2020 15:52:55 GMT -6
hawkward ,it's super interesting!! peachesncream , part of it is we don't continue to test people for RSV/ILI/HMP using the PCR tests after their acute infection so it could happen with those tests too This is a big reason why the shift has moved away from negative tests for returning to work/moving patients etc. There is still a lot of work to be done, but most of the work coming out indicate infectiousness decreases from symptom onset and testing positive after acute illness has no bearing on infectiousness But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus. Has it actually been proven that asymptomatic people are contagious enough to infect others? Not arguing anything here, I'm just genuinely curious about what we know so far. I've seen that they are starting to think asymptomatic spread is lower than originally thought
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Post by icedcoffee on Aug 2, 2020 15:55:05 GMT -6
But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus. it's the asymptomatic period PRIOR to acute illness that is so infectious. Once symptoms start the infectiousness starts to decrease which is why the isolation recommendations are shorter for a confirmed positive acutely ill compared to someone who was exposed to the virus. After the acute infection ends people are not asymptomatic- the tests are very sensitive and pick up lingering viral fragments that are no longer contagious Is this the same for asymptomatic people who never develop symptoms at all as well?
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Post by drr on Aug 2, 2020 15:55:28 GMT -6
But then how are asymptomatic people contagious?? I just don't understand this virus. Has it actually been proven that asymptomatic people are contagious enough to infect others? Not arguing anything here, I'm just genuinely curious about what we know so far. I've seen that they are starting to think asymptomatic spread is lower than originally thought yes- presymptomatic (no symptoms prior to acute infection) are ABSOLUTELY contagious and the asymptomatic people are as well at the start of infection- but the time frame for infectiousness is difficult to identify in the asymptomatic people.
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Post by elle on Aug 2, 2020 15:56:22 GMT -6
People on my town Facebook page are all up in arms about my state “faking the data”. Turns out when someone tests positive, they only include it in the positive is new. So someone who has Covid, then gets tested again and still has it, isn’t in the count. I’m confused by the anger. Why would we include people in the positive test count if we already know they are sick? Am I missing something? I get how that data is useful for other reasons, but if I’m looking to see how many positive tests there are in a day, I would think including retesting sick people would be more misleading. This is funny because all the outrage I have seen is that people think that all positive tests, including currently known positives, are being counted as new cases. The situation you mentioned is exactly how it should be done. That conspiracy is all over my Nextdoor page, and so many treat it as a fact, it's ridiculous.
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drr
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Post by drr on Aug 2, 2020 15:57:05 GMT -6
it's the asymptomatic period PRIOR to acute illness that is so infectious. Once symptoms start the infectiousness starts to decrease which is why the isolation recommendations are shorter for a confirmed positive acutely ill compared to someone who was exposed to the virus. After the acute infection ends people are not asymptomatic- the tests are very sensitive and pick up lingering viral fragments that are no longer contagious Is this the same for asymptomatic people who never develop symptoms at all as well? yes- asymptomatic people are contagious at the start of the infection- the duration of infectivity is questionable, but believed to not be too long like with the acutely ill. Very few people are truly asymptomatic though, and when looking back most had very mild symptoms that were brushed off
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Post by icedcoffee on Aug 2, 2020 15:57:48 GMT -6
Has it actually been proven that asymptomatic people are contagious enough to infect others? Not arguing anything here, I'm just genuinely curious about what we know so far. I've seen that they are starting to think asymptomatic spread is lower than originally thought yes- presymptomatic (no symptoms prior to acute infection) are ABSOLUTELY contagious and the asymptomatic people are as well at the start of infection- but the time frame for infectiousness is difficult to identify in the asymptomatic people. Okay this makes sense. This is more what I was wondering about, the presymptomatic vs asymptomatic spread
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Post by icedcoffee on Aug 2, 2020 16:01:37 GMT -6
Is this the same for asymptomatic people who never develop symptoms at all as well? yes- asymptomatic people are contagious at the start of the infection- the duration of infectivity is questionable, but believed to not be too long like with the acutely ill. Very few people are truly asymptomatic though, and when looking back most had very mild symptoms that were brushed off Interesting. Thanks!
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hawkward
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Post by hawkward on Aug 2, 2020 16:05:51 GMT -6
drr Now I want to get H tested again to see if he’s still +. He was acutely I’ll in the same time frame. I also wish we’d have tested the boys for active virus instead of just antibodies. I wanted to re-test DS2 but I didn’t want to traumatize him all over again just for my own curiosity. I’m happy I’m not in a clinical setting now but also limited access to the information coming out is frustrating. Are you doing antibody tests as well? ETA let me know if you want me to poof anything that pertains to you and your family’s health. I've been consistently testing positive for PCR, but negative for antibodies (not surprising knowing my medical history). My son only recently started testing negative for the PCR, but has been consistently positive on the antibody test. There are many people who will test pos-neg-pos-neg with varying degrees, but even after a few negative tests might test positive. This is NOT indicative of a reinfection, but identifying viral fragments. I sent you a PM
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Post by imronburgundy on Aug 2, 2020 17:07:19 GMT -6
This is funny because all the outrage I have seen is that people think that all positive tests, including currently known positives, are being counted as new cases. The situation you mentioned is exactly how it should be done. I was going to say the same for here This is absolutely how it should be done - but I really need someone in our local health department to come out and SAY this so that people stop thinking that all positives are counted all the time. Also, I do think there can be some confusion when results are reported and I wish they would be more transparent (at least in my town). There have been days when cases have been removed, but no explanation as to why. Now as a person with common sense, I can think of a variety of valid reasons why this may happen.... but the transparency would be nice to help people understand. I think people have an easier time accepting things if they understand the WHY involved.
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Post by psychmom on Aug 2, 2020 20:00:42 GMT -6
A good friend of mine, who I haven't seen in over a year, was driving through town and asked if she could do a drive by to say hi. She's very loosey goosey with quarantine and staying home. They've been eating in restaurants ever since they opened, despite living in a hot spot. And she's on her way back from vacationing in another hot spot. I talked to DH about it and ultimately we said we were still being super cautious and we better wait for next time. I'm so bummed. I would've loved to see her and catch up but I'm just not comfortable with her level of exposure right now. I didn't want to be in a situation where they try to get out of the car or something and have to ask them to stay back. It would've been too awkward.
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Post by STP on Aug 2, 2020 20:25:31 GMT -6
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Post by adelbert on Aug 3, 2020 3:52:07 GMT -6
The second grader starts on Thursday and the the fifth grader starts next Monday. I'm excited for them to meet their new classmates as they'll each be starting in a new school. Fifth grade is a really big deal here so we're happy they're starting in the classroom.
Children older than 10 will have to wear masks when they're not in class, and teachers/parents/other adults all the time. The kids will not have to keep their distance from their same grade classmates but from children in other grades. Teachers receive free masks and face shields and may be tested for free as often as they like.
Contact tracing is currently working well here and all people coming back from traveling in risk areas do have to get tested (for free). So I think this is the best we can hope for with the current situation and I'm tentatively positive.
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Post by Kida on Aug 3, 2020 5:55:46 GMT -6
The wife of a former coworker just shared on FB that that video of America’s Frontline Doctors was still on a different website. How can anyone believe this shit? This was what she wrote. Her husband (my former coworker) seems normal enough, so I’m just stumped. “I finally watched the viral video of these doctors speaking up about what they have personally seen regarding covid. Had to look it up on bitchute.com because it had been taken down from FB, YouTube & Twitter. That’s how you know it’s good! 😂 if you want to check out the video just go to bitchute.com and search for “America’s Frontline Doctors”. The message was so hopeful it’s a shame they are being censored. Also here’s the transcript: covidtruth.info/americas-frontline-doctors-scotus-press-conference-transcript/“I commented with the list of crazy claims that doctor has made, and said she shouldn’t be sharing that misinformation. My therapist recommended I watch this. I'm hoping it's because she hadn't had a chance to watch much of it yet? Ugh.
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Post by Lakes on Aug 3, 2020 6:23:30 GMT -6
Still having your wedding scheduled for the end of November in the Dominican Republic is crazy right? I’m trying to convince mh to cancel but he’s the best man and feels the guilt.
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Post by thatgolfb on Aug 3, 2020 6:40:09 GMT -6
The wife of a former coworker just shared on FB that that video of America’s Frontline Doctors was still on a different website. How can anyone believe this shit? This was what she wrote. Her husband (my former coworker) seems normal enough, so I’m just stumped. “I finally watched the viral video of these doctors speaking up about what they have personally seen regarding covid. Had to look it up on bitchute.com because it had been taken down from FB, YouTube & Twitter. That’s how you know it’s good! 😂 if you want to check out the video just go to bitchute.com and search for “America’s Frontline Doctors”. The message was so hopeful it’s a shame they are being censored. Also here’s the transcript: covidtruth.info/americas-frontline-doctors-scotus-press-conference-transcript/“I commented with the list of crazy claims that doctor has made, and said she shouldn’t be sharing that misinformation. My therapist recommended I watch this. I'm hoping it's because she hadn't had a chance to watch much of it yet? Ugh. 😬 I’m pretty sure this friend (well, wife of a friend) blocked me on FB. Oh well.
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Post by hawkward on Aug 3, 2020 6:40:25 GMT -6
The wife of a former coworker just shared on FB that that video of America’s Frontline Doctors was still on a different website. How can anyone believe this shit? This was what she wrote. Her husband (my former coworker) seems normal enough, so I’m just stumped. “I finally watched the viral video of these doctors speaking up about what they have personally seen regarding covid. Had to look it up on bitchute.com because it had been taken down from FB, YouTube & Twitter. That’s how you know it’s good! 😂 if you want to check out the video just go to bitchute.com and search for “America’s Frontline Doctors”. The message was so hopeful it’s a shame they are being censored. Also here’s the transcript: covidtruth.info/americas-frontline-doctors-scotus-press-conference-transcript/“I commented with the list of crazy claims that doctor has made, and said she shouldn’t be sharing that misinformation. My therapist recommended I watch this. I'm hoping it's because she hadn't had a chance to watch much of it yet? Ugh. Hmm. Maybe you should ask her how she feels about dream demon sex. Not normally a question I’d ask my medical professionals, but this is 2020 and here we are.
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Post by thatgolfb on Aug 3, 2020 6:44:37 GMT -6
My therapist recommended I watch this. I'm hoping it's because she hadn't had a chance to watch much of it yet? Ugh. Hmm. Maybe you should ask her how she feels about dream demon sex. Not normally a question I’d ask my medical professionals, but this is 2020 and here we are. Yeah... NGL, I would be questioning the judgment of anyone recommending that video.
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Post by Kida on Aug 3, 2020 6:55:47 GMT -6
Hmm. Maybe you should ask her how she feels about dream demon sex. Not normally a question I’d ask my medical professionals, but this is 2020 and here we are. Yeah... NGL, I would be questioning the judgment of anyone recommending that video. Same, I feel pretty uncomfortable about it.
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Post by piratecat on Aug 3, 2020 7:01:56 GMT -6
The wife of a former coworker just shared on FB that that video of America’s Frontline Doctors was still on a different website. How can anyone believe this shit? This was what she wrote. Her husband (my former coworker) seems normal enough, so I’m just stumped. “I finally watched the viral video of these doctors speaking up about what they have personally seen regarding covid. Had to look it up on bitchute.com because it had been taken down from FB, YouTube & Twitter. That’s how you know it’s good! 😂 if you want to check out the video just go to bitchute.com and search for “America’s Frontline Doctors”. The message was so hopeful it’s a shame they are being censored. Also here’s the transcript: covidtruth.info/americas-frontline-doctors-scotus-press-conference-transcript/“I commented with the list of crazy claims that doctor has made, and said she shouldn’t be sharing that misinformation. “That’s how you know it’s good!”? Is she from the alternate universe?
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Post by kayc on Aug 3, 2020 7:10:15 GMT -6
Still having your wedding scheduled for the end of November in the Dominican Republic is crazy right? I’m trying to convince mh to cancel but he’s the best man and feels the guilt. I understand your H’s guilt but there is no way in hell I’d feel comfortable with that. And by November there’s a very good chance it’ll be worse (flu season + Covid) or there will be travel bans.
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Post by beatch on Aug 3, 2020 7:15:07 GMT -6
I think the dumbest thing I thought in March was that we'd be going on vacation to Cancun in June.
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Post by abs on Aug 3, 2020 7:26:44 GMT -6
I think the dumbest thing I thought in March was that we'd be going on vacation to Cancun in June. Haha. I was stressing out about a 6 month spring break. LOL at me. Now I'm fulling expecting a year and a half one. If not longer.
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Post by Lakes on Aug 3, 2020 7:57:59 GMT -6
Still having your wedding scheduled for the end of November in the Dominican Republic is crazy right? I’m trying to convince mh to cancel but he’s the best man and feels the guilt. I understand your H’s guilt but there is no way in hell I’d feel comfortable with that. And by November there’s a very good chance it’ll be worse (flu season + Covid) or there will be travel bans. I’ve already cancelled but I think he’s just waiting for the decision to be made by the resort or a travel ban. The couple is in Florida so they don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s also the Sunday before Thanksgiving and I don’t think the chances of him getting tested and the results back before Thanksgiving are good.
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Post by STP on Aug 3, 2020 8:09:57 GMT -6
I understand your H’s guilt but there is no way in hell I’d feel comfortable with that. And by November there’s a very good chance it’ll be worse (flu season + Covid) or there will be travel bans. I’ve already cancelled but I think he’s just waiting for the decision to be made by the resort or a travel ban. The couple is in Florida so they don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s also the Sunday before Thanksgiving and I don’t think the chances of him getting tested and the results back before Thanksgiving are good. Mine is doing this with a Sept wedding in California and I'm just like...it's not happening, dude. It's his best friend, legitimately best friend, but no. And if he goes, he's going to have to figure out a way to quarantine away from us for two weeks and I just don't know how he would do it.
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