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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 8:34:29 GMT -6
I think the one thing we need to keep in mind is the level of virus in the communities in question. Parts of Europe have opened their schools without incident because viral activity was so low in the communities in question. If there's a ton of community spread going around, *of course* schools will become vectors for further infection. So I don't think, on its face, the very concept of children attending school is risky. It's all dependent on factors on the ground. If there's a lot of virus circulating in the community, it will circulate in a school just as it would in a church or an office. We have gating and phases for everything else in life. The same should apply to the schools. We have to drive our policy making with data and not according to the calendar.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 8:36:10 GMT -6
I read the NY Times article this morning and feel every word. I also get that there is not actually a good answer that doesn't include massive federal aid (in a way that will realistically never happen). Question, though: I've seen the Israel numbers and their correlation to schools reopening, but hasn't Europe largely opened their schools in the same way and they still have this under control? I keep holding out hope when I see the AAP recommendations for schools to reopen and other credible sources say that kids aren't spreading this thing in the same way as the general population, but then I see the Israel news and my hopes get dashed. there have been a couple of small studies that suggest children are just as likely to spread the virus as adults. I'm not an epidemiologist so I don't know how meaningfully we can draw conclusions from just a couple of studies with relatively small sample sizes.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 8:43:55 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Jul 2, 2020 8:46:51 GMT -6
Good lord. We were just talking about how good Santa Clara county was doing in the CA covid thread. Not all SCC.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 2, 2020 8:58:35 GMT -6
Rep Mark Green is SUPER concerned about the politicization of the virus. he (wrongly) stated that Fauci assured them there would be a vaccine in early 2021. And states are now overwhelmed with ventilators and returning them to the national stockpile. Which is good since other states are gonna be needing them pretty soon.
"This administrations response has been unprecedented." Well he got that right.
and hes mad bout the committee not investigating...China.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 2, 2020 9:01:57 GMT -6
Oh and he never asked a question
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Post by byjove on Jul 2, 2020 9:10:08 GMT -6
Update on the school outbreak in Israel. No good news. What I really want from these stats in Israel is insight about how severely those children who tested positive were affected, and the same info for teachers. It’s awful that they’ve had such a big outbreak and we need to look at it closely as we get closer to thinking about how we reopen schools here. Also if they infected parents/siblings, etc.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 9:10:31 GMT -6
yeah, a note about those drive through retail test sites the task force stood up: you have to have known exposure to qualify for a test at CVS, and you have to perform your own swab. So really A+ best practices there.
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Post by RajahMD on Jul 2, 2020 9:12:21 GMT -6
😬 I really don’t see sports seasons finishing this year. Maybe not even starting. Somehow NASCAR has managed to avoid an outbreak. I think they benefit from it being a non-contact sport. They've also been really good about screening everyone at the tracks, teams are screening at their offices, and everyone wears a mask at all times. Teams are also separating crew members into 2 groups- those who travel to the races, and those who stay in the stop. So far I've only heard of one case, and it was someone who works in a shop and caught it locally.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 9:15:55 GMT -6
This obsession with blaming Democratic Governors for nursing home deaths really feels like a thinly veiled and desperate attempt to shift blame off of Trump's incompetence and try to gaslight seniors into voting for him
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 2, 2020 9:20:42 GMT -6
This obsession with blaming Democratic Governors for nursing home deaths really feels like a thinly veiled and desperate attempt to shift blame off of Trump's incompetence and try to gaslight seniors into voting for him I agree.
Also the sock looks wrecked. He seems to have aged a lot in the last 5 months.
AND perhaps if we hadn't pulled the majority of our people out of China prior to this virus we would have gotten better, more accurate information at the start. Which is not the fault of China but squarely on this admins shoulders there Shouty.
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Post by addymac on Jul 2, 2020 9:21:10 GMT -6
This obsession with blaming Democratic Governors for nursing home deaths really feels like a thinly veiled and desperate attempt to shift blame off of Trump's incompetence and try to gaslight seniors into voting for him It truly blows my mind how inept the GOP is and how much scapegoating and blaming shifting they do. like oooof
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Post by cribs on Jul 2, 2020 9:32:39 GMT -6
This obsession with blaming Democratic Governors for nursing home deaths really feels like a thinly veiled and desperate attempt to shift blame off of Trump's incompetence and try to gaslight seniors into voting for him I can really do without anymore of the Cuomo murdered the olds!
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jul 2, 2020 9:33:42 GMT -6
I read the NY Times article this morning and feel every word. I also get that there is not actually a good answer that doesn't include massive federal aid (in a way that will realistically never happen). Question, though: I've seen the Israel numbers and their correlation to schools reopening, but hasn't Europe largely opened their schools in the same way and they still have this under control? I keep holding out hope when I see the AAP recommendations for schools to reopen and other credible sources say that kids aren't spreading this thing in the same way as the general population, but then I see the Israel news and my hopes get dashed. there have been a couple of small studies that suggest children are just as likely to spread the virus as adults. I'm not an epidemiologist so I don't know how meaningfully we can draw conclusions from just a couple of studies with relatively small sample sizes. Schools here opened based on a study of 2500 kids 10 and under plus 1 parent each, so 5000 people, which is a very respectable size. They basically looked to see whether kids were infecting each other or getting it from parents (more kids than parents with antibodies = getting it from each other, more parents than kids = parents are giving it to their kids). The results were that more parents had it than kids, so they announced that kids were getting it from their parents and not each other, so schools and preschools could open (and they gave preference to kids in the emergency childcare for essential workers, so thrh did have contact with other kids). However, I later saw the numbers published. Of the 5000 in the study, 1 child/parent pair had an active infection and something like 45 adults and 20 kids had antibodies. So... yeah. The data was not quite as helpful as one might have hoped.
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Post by athn64 on Jul 2, 2020 9:41:51 GMT -6
I just read that Ontario is talking about when to announce stage 3, which for us would mean playgrounds, indoor restaurant dining (with distancing of course), and larger groups than 10 allowed. I am annoyed because they’re claiming we’ve done great in stage 2 and that all these things have been *allowed* to reopen - like for example daycare and swimming pools. In actuality I haven’t heard of a single pool that’s opened yet because they had to spend the last 3 weeks rehiring staff and training them. The first outdoor wading pools are opening TODAY. A lot of daycares aren’t opening until July 6th, earliest. So, how is it smart to rely on our numbers for stage 2 when really stage 2 is just taking off? Oy. We had a month minimum between our different stages. But even so, it doesn't feel like enough.
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Post by LaRo422 on Jul 2, 2020 9:57:56 GMT -6
yeah, a note about those drive through retail test sites the task force stood up: you have to have known exposure to qualify for a test at CVS, and you have to perform your own swab. So really A+ best practices there. Wtf?! How is this happening? I’m dumbfounded by this 🤯 Do you, or anyone else, know if an employer is required to pay you if they make you take time off while you wait for test results? My husband left work early one day because he was sick (mostly GI) and they told him he had to get tested and couldn’t come back to work until he showed them a negative test result. The next day he was completely fine, but his boss said it was policy. He assumed he would be paid. He’s only been with the company since January, so he doesn’t have any paid leave yet. I thought that the stimulus package included an automatic 13 weeks of paid leave if you were affected by the virus, or had to quarantine at any time. Is that not the case? His check was about $1k short and we found out why, and they said they didn’t have to pay him. If they didn’t make him get tested, he would have been at work the next day.
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Post by elle on Jul 2, 2020 10:11:39 GMT -6
I just finished reading this and was coming here to post it. I feel like alarm bells need to be going off and they just aren't? Maybe because so many politicians don't have young children or have the resources for additional help? IDK. Honestly I think it's because a lot of those old white men in power think this is how it should be - they want to get back to a two parent household with the wife staying at home. It's bullshit.
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Post by taconight on Jul 2, 2020 10:39:58 GMT -6
yeah, a note about those drive through retail test sites the task force stood up: you have to have known exposure to qualify for a test at CVS, and you have to perform your own swab. So really A+ best practices there. Wtf?! How is this happening? I’m dumbfounded by this 🤯 Do you, or anyone else, know if an employer is required to pay you if they make you take time off while you wait for test results? My husband left work early one day because he was sick (mostly GI) and they told him he had to get tested and couldn’t come back to work until he showed them a negative test result. The next day he was completely fine, but his boss said it was policy. He assumed he would be paid. He’s only been with the company since January, so he doesn’t have any paid leave yet. I thought that the stimulus package included an automatic 13 weeks of paid leave if you were affected by the virus, or had to quarantine at any time. Is that not the case? His check was about $1k short and we found out why, and they said they didn’t have to pay him. If they didn’t make him get tested, he would have been at work the next day. How big is his company? The paid leave under the CARES act is only for employer's with under 500 employees.
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Post by LaRo422 on Jul 2, 2020 10:43:53 GMT -6
Wtf?! How is this happening? I’m dumbfounded by this 🤯 Do you, or anyone else, know if an employer is required to pay you if they make you take time off while you wait for test results? My husband left work early one day because he was sick (mostly GI) and they told him he had to get tested and couldn’t come back to work until he showed them a negative test result. The next day he was completely fine, but his boss said it was policy. He assumed he would be paid. He’s only been with the company since January, so he doesn’t have any paid leave yet. I thought that the stimulus package included an automatic 13 weeks of paid leave if you were affected by the virus, or had to quarantine at any time. Is that not the case? His check was about $1k short and we found out why, and they said they didn’t have to pay him. If they didn’t make him get tested, he would have been at work the next day. How big is his company? The paid leave under the CARES act is only for employer's with under 500 employees. It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked.
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Post by taconight on Jul 2, 2020 10:47:17 GMT -6
How big is his company? The paid leave under the CARES act is only for employer's with under 500 employees. It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked. Pretty much, yes, they're screwed. It's legal because that's how the CARES act was written. Big 'ol loophole for the GOPs big corporate donors.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 2, 2020 10:48:15 GMT -6
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Post by LaRo422 on Jul 2, 2020 10:50:08 GMT -6
It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked. Pretty much, yes, they're screwed. It's legal because that's how the CARES act was written. Big 'ol loophole for the GOPs big corporate donors. It figures. Man, this past month has suuuuuucked. Thanks for the info. I’ve just to release it now 🤬
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Post by richard on Jul 2, 2020 11:14:08 GMT -6
Hermain Cain was at the Tulsa rally. I remember someone pointing him out.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 2, 2020 11:14:41 GMT -6
yeah, a note about those drive through retail test sites the task force stood up: you have to have known exposure to qualify for a test at CVS, and you have to perform your own swab. So really A+ best practices there. My coworker was able to get a test at CVS without known exposure. And our CDC director explained that the self swabbing tests are a different type of test from the long swab tests and doesn’t require the brain depth level sample and that one isn’t more or less accurate than the other.
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Post by doublestuf on Jul 2, 2020 11:20:32 GMT -6
My district is live-streaming their BOE meeting. 1 week in person, 2 weeks remote. I have no idea what we will do with our oldest, along with all the other working parents who can't work from home. I mean no plan was going to make everyone happy, but I don't know that anyone will be happy with this plan. I know they're in an impossible situation, I just don't know what people are supposed to do.
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Post by Minerva on Jul 2, 2020 11:37:48 GMT -6
I think the one thing we need to keep in mind is the level of virus in the communities in question. Parts of Europe have opened their schools without incident because viral activity was so low in the communities in question. If there's a ton of community spread going around, *of course* schools will become vectors for further infection. So I don't think, on its face, the very concept of children attending school is risky. It's all dependent on factors on the ground. If there's a lot of virus circulating in the community, it will circulate in a school just as it would in a church or an office. We have gating and phases for everything else in life. The same should apply to the schools. We have to drive our policy making with data and not according to the calendar. This exactly. If regions have gotten both their numbers and R0 value down and are effectively testing and contact tracing, then there is a clear path to opening schools while nipping any community spread in the bud with test/trace/quarantine. Unfortunately, few places in the USA are at that point. Maybe a few Northeastern states. Opening schools in regions with un-traced community spread is going to increase the rate community spread and may very well push the R0 value back up over 1, even in states that are currently trending downward (Virginia comes to mind).
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Post by Minerva on Jul 2, 2020 11:47:38 GMT -6
This obsession with blaming Democratic Governors for nursing home deaths really feels like a thinly veiled and desperate attempt to shift blame off of Trump's incompetence and try to gaslight seniors into voting for him Yes. My mom works in this field and we’ve had a lot of discussions about it. It was complicated issue. Courts have supported the rights of people in residential facilities to return to them from hospitals over objections from the facilities in the past. They are considered their homes. Medically fragile people are at greater risk of catching secondary illnesses and dying when they are forced to remain in hospitals. C-diff, MRSA, and pneumonia are major risks. Hospitals also are often not well-equipped to support people with disabilities. During COVID, hospitals were initially refusing to allow caregivers of people who needed full time attendants or who are nonverbal into the hospital with them. Ultimately, things needed to change during COVID, but legal precedent and the difficulty hospitals have caring for certain patients made for a difficult decision.
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Post by Peekaru on Jul 2, 2020 11:57:34 GMT -6
How big is his company? The paid leave under the CARES act is only for employer's with under 500 employees. It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked. Have him check to see if there is any sort of short term disability. If there is, he might be able to get them to pay that retroactively. PM me if you need some help with figuring it out.
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Post by LaRo422 on Jul 2, 2020 11:58:58 GMT -6
It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked. Have him check to see if there is any sort of short term disability. If there is, he might be able to get them to pay that retroactively. PM me if you need some help with figuring it out. Thank you so much! Can you point me in the direction of where to start?
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Post by jaygee on Jul 2, 2020 12:05:20 GMT -6
It’s Autonation, so it’s huge. How is that legal though? There’s people that have waited 2+ weeks for results. Are they just screwed? Essential workers just keep on getting fucked. Have him check to see if there is any sort of short term disability. If there is, he might be able to get them to pay that retroactively. PM me if you need some help with figuring it out. Short term disability is what we have been told to use if we have this situation. Until earlier this month we did have administrative leave but they discontinued that.
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