Infinity War Discussion (spoilers)

[mischief]

Just got out of the movie. I am so fucking angry I cannot even put it into words. So disappointed. I need to sort out my thoughts then I'll be back.

[Queen Mamadala]

I really enjoyed it. Loved many parts. I'm still trying to process it all. It's...A LOT. Brace yourselves.

[Dramaphile]

mischief I feel the same way about the ending. MH loved the whole thing and was so perplexed that I was unhappy. It was such a cop-out because obviously Part 2 is going to be them trying to get the time stone and undo what Thanos just did, and I feel like it will take away from the weight of the people who will actually die in the next film. Also not happy with the way Loki died, I feel like it was really anticlimactic and not what should befit a main character. I can't decide if that's because they rushed it, or because somehow he's going to come back in part 2, which would be another cop-out.

There were lots of things I loved about this movie, but it seemed like they were trying to cram so much in that the character things I loved from previous Marvel movies just weren't there. I loved the big battles, especially in Wakanda, and Thor being picked up by the Guardians. And Gamora's journey was done well. But it was almost like it was too fast to feel some of the things they were trying to make emotional, like the whole Vision/Scarlet Witch storyline. And Cap really got lost in this movie, which was much more Tony and Thor's stories than anything.

[Dramaphile]

I kept seeing this go around on FB among my geek friends in the past couple weeks and I was so amused when Gamora and Thor and Quill basically had this exact conversation in the movie

[pianolove]

I just got home from this movie. Whaaaaaattt the fuckkkkkk

My mom asked me how the movie was. I told her the bad guy won and half the universe ceased to exist. She said that sucked. I could only agree with her.

What was the pager supposed to mean in the extra credit? Is that symbol for like SHIELD 2.0?

[pianolove]

Apr 27, 2018 7:21:32 GMT -6 Dramaphile said:

mischief I feel the same way about the ending. MH loved the whole thing and was so perplexed that I was unhappy. It was such a cop-out because obviously Part 2 is going to be them trying to get the time stone and undo what Thanos just did, and I feel like it will take away from the weight of the people who will actually die in the next film. Also not happy with the way Loki died, I feel like it was really anticlimactic and not what should befit a main character. I can't decide if that's because they rushed it, or because somehow he's going to come back in part 2, which would be another cop-out.

There were lots of things I loved about this movie, but it seemed like they were trying to cram so much in that the character things I loved from previous Marvel movies just weren't there. I loved the big battles, especially in Wakanda, and Thor being picked up by the Guardians. And Gamora's journey was done well. But it was almost like it was too fast to feel some of the things they were trying to make emotional, like the whole Vision/Scarlet Witch storyline. And Cap really got lost in this movie, which was much more Tony and Thor's stories than anything.

All of this, I did actually really appreciate the journey and the melding of so many arcs, I liked the unconventional pairings like Thor and the Guardians, iron man and dr strange, and now I'm convinced I need to see Spider-Man.

[RajahMD]

Apr 28, 2018 13:10:48 GMT -6 pianolove said:

I just got home from this movie. Whaaaaaattt the fuckkkkkk

My mom asked me how the movie was. I told her the bad guy won and half the universe ceased to exist. She said that sucked. I could only agree with her.

What was the pager supposed to mean in the extra credit? Is that symbol for like SHIELD 2.0?

I believe that's Captain Marvel's sign.

[bonzo]

I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie.

[claudia]

I have very mixed feelings and things today but noting to say at the same time.

I think I need to process things.

I really enjoyed it in places and felt huge plot holes in others combined with total predictability in other places.

[sammichcat]

It was refreshing to see an action movie where the good guys lost at the end of the movie. And where most of the heroes we thought were goners survived and vice versa.

I'm positive, though, that many of the fade away people will be back due to messing with time because of how Dr. Strange acted during the fight: not taking advantage of the time stone-that we saw - and what he said to poor Tony at the end. And he's the only one who saw the one possible outcome where they win in the end so he's probably following that.
I'm not so sure about the people who died before the fade away.

I was sad not to see Hawkeye. Because Jeremy Renner is hot.

[cdnfroggy]

Ok, so I liked it, but didn’t love it. I still think Black Panther was better. There was...a lot going on and I’m curious what the next one will be like. I assume many that disappeared to dust will come back, but am curious to how. I’m also curious as to what Strange saw that made it the right decision to give the stone to Thanos. I most likely won’t rewatch it, except for maybe before seeing the next one to remember what happened.

Sad about Loki and Gamora (sp?)

[Bookshelves]

I think I liked it. 🤷‍♀️ Shock and awe.

I'm sad about Loki, though.

[RajahMD]

Whoa boy.

I really enjoyed it. There were some really funny parts, and a couple scenes where our theater started clapping and cheering.

You could have heard a pin drop when the credits started. Everyone was in shock. It was like all 5 stages of grief in the same room at the same time. Some people were sad, some were angry, and some like me were defiant. I kept telling my husband "I refuse to accept that they're dead".

I wholeheartedly believe that this is all part of Dr. Strange's plan. He's way too damn logical and unemotional to sacrifice a stone for Tony Stark. There's a reason. This is the only way. The good guys have to lose (at first), in order to win (in the end).

Watching them all melt away was definitely depressing. I'm not sure which "death" was hardest: Scarlet Witch losing Vision (again) then melting away herself, Tony holding Peter while he melted away (damn did they both do a good job in that scene), or Okoye watching T'Challa melt away.

Surprisingly, I didn't shed a single tear. Normally I cry really easily during movies. I think I was feeling too defiant to cry, lol. I'm also still in denial about Loki. I refuse to accept they killed the funniest foil to one of the main heroes. I actually thought of Vandy during that scene. She's gonna be heartbroken.

[Bookshelves]

Never count out the god of mischief!

The Internet fans say he has a 6-movie contact, sooo...

I liked this commentary
www.theringer.com/movies/2018/4/27/17292012/which-deaths-are-permanent-avengers-infinity-war

[Bookshelves]

I was annoyed they killed Black Panther before I even saw his movie! Hah. The Wakanda scenes really made me want to see it. Someday we'll find a babysitter.

[willow]

I agree with everyone that it’s clear they are going to some how try to reverse time to get them all back. I also agree that it was really unbelievable to make it seem like Dr Strange saved Tony for any other reason than because he knew it was the only way to eventually win. I think Peter dying in Tony’s arms is going to really drive him, as if he wasn’t already.

I honestly wasn’t all that affected by the death scene. Mostly because internally I knew that some of the characters that they killed off are so commercially successful and obviously have more movies coming, that they wouldn’t permanently kill them. Black Panther, for example. There is no way they are throwing away that money maker so quickly. So I don’t know, I was just sort of “meh” at the end.

That said, I found it enjoyable and liked seeing characters that had never met be forced to align and work together. It was a good movie, but that’s all I really feel about it. I certainly don’t like it as much as I did Black Panther, or Ragnarok. I think the next movie has a lot of tying up to do.


Since I’m a major Thor fan girl, I did love the battle of the Chrises scene and how badass it was when he came back to earth and just annihilated all those monster things. It seems like with that hammer he is now the most powerful of the avengers.

[willow]

Oh also Spider-Man dying. That series with Tom Holland isn’t over yet either so he’s gonna come back.


I think if those two (Black Panther And Spider-Man) hadn’t died, I would have more doubt about the rest coming back, actually. While I didn’t want them to die, the characters that were killed off weren’t on the same level IMO.

Also, I wonder if this means maybe Hawkeyes family or part of his family disappears so he comes back with a vengeance in the next one. And we didn’t see Ant Man and the Wasp either (probably since the movie introducing her isn’t out yet) so they must show up on the next segment.

I am bummed that Valkyrie didn’t show up. I’m assuming we just are supposed to think she’s dead since she was on that ship with the asgardians?

[RajahMD]

One comment I saw online really struck home with me.

The ones that survived this movie are the ones that are in danger the most in Avengers 4, and those will be the absolute permanent deaths. So for the most part, those that "died" in this movie (after the snap) are the ones that are actually the most safe in the future.

The more I think about it, the more I like this movie. It really set up Avengers 4 well. In this one, we get the fun combos that we haven't gotten before, and we got to watch them be badass together. Then at the end, the roster is cut down to the basically the main, original 6 plus a few extras. That group will be the focus of Avengers 4, and be the ones to potentially sacrifice themselves to get the next generation (those that "died") back.

So Avengers 3 is getting the gang all together, only to break them apart. And Avengers 4 is the passing of the torch from the Originals to the New Generation.

[pianolove]

I read a theory online that Scott Lang wasn't in this one because all the "disappeared" beings got transported to the quantum realm and they need him in avengers 4 to get them all back

[Queen Mamadala]

Apr 28, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -6 bonzo said:

I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie.

This is a Thanos movie. Character development for the others took place over 17 other movies. A lot of characters took a back seat in this story to make room for developing Thanos, which is necessary. Gamora is connected to Thanos and his grand plan, so it makes sense for her to be featured a bit more than some others. Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Spidey got quite a bit of screen time compared to most of the Avengers on Earth. Wanda was used pretty well and I think they all had some time to shine even if it didn't take place until midway or later in the film. 

Thor and Rocket are awesome. Sweet rabbit. <3 Thor.

[Queen Mamadala]

Apr 29, 2018 11:50:54 GMT -6 pianolove said:

I read a theory online that Scott Lang wasn't in this one because all the "disappeared" beings got transported to the quantum realm and they need him in avengers 4 to get them all back

I read that, too. That Ant-Man and Capt. Marvel will be vital for A4. He needs to do his subatomic thing. My husband thinks they'll ultimately split the universe and there will exist two different realities. Similar to what they've done with Marvel's Ultimate Universe and how we have a Miles Morales Spider-Man. A4 ends this particular phase of the MCU and it could be Disney/Marvel's way to introduce the X-Men into the UU.

[pianolove]

Apr 29, 2018 12:25:09 GMT -6 Queen Mamadala said:

Apr 29, 2018 11:50:54 GMT -6 pianolove said:

I read a theory online that Scott Lang wasn't in this one because all the "disappeared" beings got transported to the quantum realm and they need him in avengers 4 to get them all back

I read that, too. That Ant-Man and Capt. Marvel will be vital for A4. He needs to do his subatomic thing. My husband thinks they'll ultimately split the universe and there will exist two different realities. Similar to what they've done with Marvel's Ultimate Universe and how we have a Miles Morales Spider-Man. A4 ends this particular phase of the MCU and it could be Disney/Marvel's way to introduce the X-Men into the UU.

I will giggle if they use the hero nobody knows to save the universe (i.e. "Who are you again?" From CA:civil war) lol.

This is interesting in that if they can maintain 2 Marvel realities and still keep the $$ potential available for the original crew. I'd like to see a Black Widow movie still and if they are looking to hand off the baton, so to speak, to the newcomers then we won't get that. I'm not sure what the MUU is but if it's anything like DC's darkest night/flashpoint thing where they essentially reset the universe I can dig it. Would also be interested in an avengers/guardians/xmen movie.

[Bookshelves]

Apr 29, 2018 12:21:38 GMT -6 Queen Mamadala said:

Apr 28, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -6 bonzo said:

I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie.

This is a Thanos movie. Character development for the others took place over 17 other movies. A lot of characters took a back seat in this story to make room for developing Thanos, which is necessary. Gamora is connected to Thanos and his grand plan, so it makes sense for her to be featured a bit more than some others. Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Spidey got quite a bit of screen time compared to most of the Avengers on Earth. Wanda was used pretty well and I think they all had some time to shine even if it didn't take place until midway or later in the film. 

Thor and Rocket are awesome. Sweet rabbit. <3 Thor.

I laughed so hard every time he called him "Rabbit."

[Bookshelves]

The nerdy boys next to us said, "They're not even going to show her?!" after the teaser clip in the end credits.

I guess according to canon, Gamora's sister (the one Thanos was torturing) picks up the stones and goes bananas? I assume that's what they were talking about, but they left too quick for me to ask. I was like, come back, nerd boys. I need you. I'm sure they would've enjoyed explaining it to an early-middle-age mom.

[Bookshelves]

It must be so hard to write the movies and give the true comic book fans what they want/expect, but while also introducing new plot lines or maintaining an element of surprise. Just a random thought.

[Bookshelves]

Apr 29, 2018 8:27:21 GMT -6 RajahMD said:

One comment I saw online really struck home with me.

The ones that survived this movie are the ones that are in danger the most in Avengers 4, and those will be the absolute permanent deaths. So for the most part, those that "died" in this movie (after the snap) are the ones that are actually the most safe in the future.

The more I think about it, the more I like this movie. It really set up Avengers 4 well. In this one, we get the fun combos that we haven't gotten before, and we got to watch them be badass together. Then at the end, the roster is cut down to the basically the main, original 6 plus a few extras. That group will be the focus of Avengers 4, and be the ones to potentially sacrifice themselves to get the next generation (those that "died") back.

So Avengers 3 is getting the gang all together, only to break them apart. And Avengers 4 is the passing of the torch from the Originals to the New Generation.

I didn't handle Iron Man's almost-death really well. I'm not sure how I'd handle his real one.

I could see them taking out Steve. He's ready to be done (the character, I mean).

[RajahMD]

Apr 29, 2018 14:18:15 GMT -6 Bookshelves said:

Apr 29, 2018 8:27:21 GMT -6 RajahMD said:

One comment I saw online really struck home with me.

The ones that survived this movie are the ones that are in danger the most in Avengers 4, and those will be the absolute permanent deaths. So for the most part, those that "died" in this movie (after the snap) are the ones that are actually the most safe in the future.

The more I think about it, the more I like this movie. It really set up Avengers 4 well. In this one, we get the fun combos that we haven't gotten before, and we got to watch them be badass together. Then at the end, the roster is cut down to the basically the main, original 6 plus a few extras. That group will be the focus of Avengers 4, and be the ones to potentially sacrifice themselves to get the next generation (those that "died") back.

So Avengers 3 is getting the gang all together, only to break them apart. And Avengers 4 is the passing of the torch from the Originals to the New Generation.

I didn't handle Iron Man's almost-death really well. I'm not sure how I'd handle his real one.

I could see them taking out Steve. He's ready to be done (the character, I mean).

I'm pretty sure I stopped breathing when he got stabbed. I was convinced he was a goner.

[cdnfroggy]

Apr 29, 2018 14:15:09 GMT -6 Bookshelves said:

The nerdy boys next to us said, "They're not even going to show her?!" after the teaser clip in the end credits.

I guess according to canon, Gamora's sister (the one Thanos was torturing) picks up the stones and goes bananas? I assume that's what they were talking about, but they left too quick for me to ask. I was like, come back, nerd boys. I need you. I'm sure they would've enjoyed explaining it to an early-middle-age mom.

My guess is they were referring to captain Marvel (who fury was calling)

[bonzo]

Apr 29, 2018 12:21:38 GMT -6 Queen Mamadala said:

Apr 28, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -6 bonzo said:

I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie.

This is a Thanos movie. Character development for the others took place over 17 other movies. A lot of characters took a back seat in this story to make room for developing Thanos, which is necessary. Gamora is connected to Thanos and his grand plan, so it makes sense for her to be featured a bit more than some others. Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Spidey got quite a bit of screen time compared to most of the Avengers on Earth. Wanda was used pretty well and I think they all had some time to shine even if it didn't take place until midway or later in the film. 

Thor and Rocket are awesome. Sweet rabbit. <3 Thor.

Well, yeah, but I guess I came out of it feeling like there was no point to most of them being there. I don’t know, it wasn’t satisfying to see so many characters as not much more than cameos.

But there was so much awesome interaction too. I love Thor with the Guardians! And Iron Man with Dr. Strange.

[piperanne]

Apr 29, 2018 7:06:27 GMT -6 RajahMD said:

Whoa boy.

I really enjoyed it. There were some really funny parts, and a couple scenes where our theater started clapping and cheering.

You could have heard a pin drop when the credits started. Everyone was in shock. It was like all 5 stages of grief in the same room at the same time. Some people were sad, some were angry, and some like me were defiant. I kept telling my husband "I refuse to accept that they're dead".

I wholeheartedly believe that this is all part of Dr. Strange's plan. He's way too damn logical and unemotional to sacrifice a stone for Tony Stark. There's a reason. This is the only way. The good guys have to lose (at first), in order to win (in the end).

Watching them all melt away was definitely depressing. I'm not sure which "death" was hardest: Scarlet Witch losing Vision (again) then melting away herself, Tony holding Peter while he melted away (damn did they both do a good job in that scene), or Okoye watching T'Challa melt away.

Surprisingly, I didn't shed a single tear. Normally I cry really easily during movies. I think I was feeling too defiant to cry, lol. I'm also still in denial about Loki. I refuse to accept they killed the funniest foil to one of the main heroes. I actually thought of Vandy during that scene. She's gonna be heartbroken.

DH and I firmly believe that the 1 scenario that worked to end thanks involves Tony which is why Strange traded him for the Time Stone.

As for the rest of your post, I am you. There is no way they are all just staying dead especially since most of them will continue the MCU. I bet the OGs have to sacrifice themselves for the newbies. The only ones I don't think will come back are Loki and Gamora.

Dd2 sobbed at the end. We we're so shocked. She's not one to do that.

I feel like I need to see it 20 more times to really catch everything.