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Post by pianolove on Apr 30, 2018 15:58:54 GMT -6
cakewench have you seen Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan in interviews? They're hilarious. And also they're nice to look at. I have to say that because of all the previous freaking Spider-Man movies I was not looking forward to any Spider-Man involvement in the avengers. But. Tom Holland is THE best Spider-Man I've ever seen. He nails it. I think I had the strongest reaction to his disappearance because of him and Iron Man and I finally saw that his movie really set that relationship up.
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Post by tinyjoys on Apr 30, 2018 16:08:57 GMT -6
I was annoyed they killed Black Panther before I even saw his movie! Hah. The Wakanda scenes really made me want to see it. Someday we'll find a babysitter. It comes out in two weeks. Rent it from redbox.
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Post by RajahMD on Apr 30, 2018 17:23:49 GMT -6
But I'm in denial and will likely stay there for a little bit. This one sentence sums up my feelings about Loki. If he is truly dead (#denial), he will be sorely missed. I love(d) his tricks and wisecracks.
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Post by tinyjoys on Apr 30, 2018 17:26:31 GMT -6
Admittedly, everything I know about the MCU is from the movies, I don't know anything from the comics.
I told H as soon as we walked out of the theater that I don't know how, but it's going to come down to the time & soul stones for sure and maybe the reality stone as well, and no one is really dead (yet).
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Post by Dramaphile on May 1, 2018 7:19:58 GMT -6
But I'm in denial and will likely stay there for a little bit. This one sentence sums up my feelings about Loki. If he is truly dead (#denial), he will be sorely missed. I love(d) his tricks and wisecracks.
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Post by sammichcat on May 1, 2018 15:09:40 GMT -6
Oh, man. I think I'm the only one on this entire planet who doesn't like Shuri. I think she's just rude. And I think Scarlet witch is boring. Okoye is BAMF and is my favorite followed by Black Widow.
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Post by sammichcat on May 1, 2018 15:34:28 GMT -6
Has very little to do with the discussion, but it made me laugh
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2018 15:43:42 GMT -6
Oh man, Black Widow is the worst to me. Not just because I find ScarJo generally insufferable, she has exactly zero personality.
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Post by willow on May 1, 2018 17:14:37 GMT -6
Oh man, Black Widow is the worst to me. Not just because I find ScarJo generally insufferable, she has exactly zero personality. Same here. I give negative fucks about her really.
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2018 17:16:33 GMT -6
Oh man, Black Widow is the worst to me. Not just because I find ScarJo generally insufferable, she has exactly zero personality. Same here. I give negative fucks about her really. I was kinda finger-crossed she would eat it. I am v v v upset at the loss of Starlord.
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2018 17:21:07 GMT -6
I am waiting for mischief. I enjoyed it a lot. Was surprised at some of the deaths and that others made it out. I liked that it was a little more dark. Thor was much better in this movie. I really hated them getting rid of Andrew Garfield as SM, but will admit Tom Holland did a good job. He wasn't as annoying as when he appeared in Civil War. And his death, my God. I had tears. H was adamant that wasn't Thanos and didn't feel his raison d'être was compelling. Another in a long line of movie bad guys bent on saving the environment by killing people. Otherwise he liked the feel, he liked the story, he enjoyed the acting.
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Post by willow on May 1, 2018 18:50:32 GMT -6
I am waiting for mischief. I enjoyed it a lot. Was surprised at some of the deaths and that others made it out. I liked that it was a little more dark. Thor was much better in this movie. I really hated them getting rid of Andrew Garfield as SM, but will admit Tom Holland did a good job. He wasn't as annoying as when he appeared in Civil War. And his death, my God. I had tears. H was adamant that wasn't Thanos and didn't feel his raison d'être was compelling. Another in a long line of movie bad guys bent on saving the environment by killing people. Otherwise he liked the feel, he liked the story, he enjoyed the acting. Like your H thought that someone else was pretending to be Thanos? Plot twist: it’s really been Loki as an illusion the whole time and he fake killed himself. (I realize this is not the plot lol)
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2018 19:11:11 GMT -6
I am waiting for mischief. I enjoyed it a lot. Was surprised at some of the deaths and that others made it out. I liked that it was a little more dark. Thor was much better in this movie. I really hated them getting rid of Andrew Garfield as SM, but will admit Tom Holland did a good job. He wasn't as annoying as when he appeared in Civil War. And his death, my God. I had tears. H was adamant that wasn't Thanos and didn't feel his raison d'être was compelling. Another in a long line of movie bad guys bent on saving the environment by killing people. Otherwise he liked the feel, he liked the story, he enjoyed the acting. Like your H thought that someone else was pretending to be Thanos? Plot twist: it’s really been Loki as an illusion the whole time and he fake killed himself. (I realize this is not the plot lol) lol no. In the comics, Thanos does all of this to impress Death (embodied as a woman in the Marvel universe), who he is love with. She never returns his affections, so he has all these plans that are doomed to failure.
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Post by willow on May 1, 2018 19:17:22 GMT -6
Like your H thought that someone else was pretending to be Thanos? Plot twist: it’s really been Loki as an illusion the whole time and he fake killed himself. (I realize this is not the plot lol) lol no. In the comics, Thanos does all of this to impress Death (embodied as a woman in the Marvel universe), who he is love with. She never returns his affections, so he has all these plans that are doomed to failure. Honestly that sounds even more pathetic lol.
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Post by gussie on May 1, 2018 19:19:17 GMT -6
We just saw it. I really liked the movie overall. I can’t get it up to be upset about anyone who died, because I know some have to come back. Plus it’s basically half of a full movie, so we haven’t seen the whole thing.
I like how they broke it up and jumped between scenes, it didn’t drag on that way. And it was hilarious. Overall, I enjoyed it.
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Post by starbuck on May 1, 2018 20:12:16 GMT -6
lol no. In the comics, Thanos does all of this to impress Death (embodied as a woman in the Marvel universe), who he is love with. She never returns his affections, so he has all these plans that are doomed to failure. Honestly that sounds even more pathetic lol. Ya I think that's part of it. He's not really the ultimate badass. He's like a lovesick puppy.
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Post by mischief on May 1, 2018 20:43:05 GMT -6
Okay so I am still all over the place with my feelings. I think it was a good movie all in all. I still like Cap 2 TWS the best. Most of my thought have already been said so Ill just regurgitate them much less eloquently lol.
It was mostly a Thor and Iron Man movie, and Cap who is my fave just kind of got lost. Although there was legit applause and excitement when he showed up. They were just trying to cram so much into it it almost felt disjointed.
And I hated the way that they just kind of brushed over everything that happened in Civil War which was lame. Like maybe rip them apart but at the same time I wish they hadnt fractured Tony and Steve's relationship so much. Which is dumb I know. I still have a lot of feeling about CW. I understand it needed to happen so they were all spread out but it also legitimately ripped the fandom apart, I know fic authors who quit writing for the MCU because of all the vitriol. Just for a small tiny brief mention.
And I wonder what kind of deal Ant Man and Hawkeye took that gave them a 'you broke out of a super secret prison but you can go home to your families' pass. I bet Hawkeyes family vanished and thats why he comes back. But I did like the confirmed theory that Tony carries that flip phone with him everywhere he goes.
And honestly I would have preferred less of Scarlet Witch and Vision and more of Bucky and Captain America together, nd oh man when Bucky says "Steve?" I sobbed like a bitch. And I would have loved a little more Wakanda. I really wanted to see Shuri, Tony, and Bruce all work together. I hope we get that in the next movie. Imagine what they could do together.
And I wanted to see everybody all joined up and fighting together not just all disjointed and spread all over everywhere but I get why they did that too.
They're just going to spend a bunch of the next movie bringing everyone back to life, they already confirmed Black Panther 2 and Spider-Man 2 and I agree that the ones who are left are the ones we need to worry about dying in the next movie. And I agree about not being able to get invested enough in certain parts because everything was going so quickly.
Part of me feels like Thanos is going to feel all guilty because he gave up everything and he really loved her more and so he's going to use the time Stone to go back in time and try and beat them again without killing Gomorrah
And I think Strange gave him the stone because when he was talking to Tony he told him like if I have to choose you or the stone I'm going to let you die and then he looked at all the possibilities and he tells Tony right before he disappears this is the only way
And I'm really annoyed at how they killed Loki, here he is the most clever villain and he thought he was going to be able to be able to stab him. But at the same time I get it because he has failed so many times and he couldnt get away with that and honestly they just s*** all over the end of Thor Ragnarok. Again no mention of Sif and the Warriors Three even when Thor is talking about who he lost. (I might have missed it, we were sitting next to some loud ass people) I'm super upset they killed all of the Asgardians, like JFC that was so shitty. And where was Valkyrie? They killed all of Thors friends to make room for her and then nothing.
I did love Scarlet Witch and Black Widow and Okoye fighting together, that was awesome, that's the girl power movie that we all need. I love the Black Widow, I guess thats my UO, I think shes a badass. But I do read a lot of fic that fleshes out her character more too. I also totally think her and Cap had something going on while they've all been on the run and I am here.for.it.
And God damn Star-Lord they almost had The Infinity Gauntlet and then he had to f*** it up.
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Post by mischief on May 1, 2018 22:32:57 GMT -6
Also I hate that we have to wait an entire fucking year to see the next movie. I would pay triple or quadruple ticket prices to watch it right fucking now.
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Post by cakewench on May 2, 2018 6:13:39 GMT -6
mischief - I was also wondering where Valkyrie was! I really enjoyed her character in Ragnarok so I'm really hoping they didn't introduce her just to kill her off-screen in IW.
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Post by Dramaphile on May 2, 2018 7:07:00 GMT -6
mischief - I was also wondering where Valkyrie was! I really enjoyed her character in Ragnarok so I'm really hoping they didn't introduce her just to kill her off-screen in IW. I think she's still around, Thor says at some point that Thanos killed half of his people, so there must be another ship of Asgardians out there somewhere, and I bet she's on it.
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Post by cakewench on May 2, 2018 7:10:20 GMT -6
mischief - I was also wondering where Valkyrie was! I really enjoyed her character in Ragnarok so I'm really hoping they didn't introduce her just to kill her off-screen in IW. I think she's still around, Thor says at some point that Thanos killed half of his people, so there must be another ship of Asgardians out there somewhere, and I bet she's on it. Oh RIGHT. Thanos's thing is he only kills half. I'm sure she made it and is leading them to safety. Seems like something Thor would ask her to do.
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:39:08 GMT -6
Just saw it and omg. I will now be reading through the thread and commenting
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:40:18 GMT -6
mischief I feel the same way about the ending. MH loved the whole thing and was so perplexed that I was unhappy. It was such a cop-out because obviously Part 2 is going to be them trying to get the time stone and undo what Thanos just did, and I feel like it will take away from the weight of the people who will actually die in the next film. Also not happy with the way Loki died, I feel like it was really anticlimactic and not what should befit a main character. I can't decide if that's because they rushed it, or because somehow he's going to come back in part 2, which would be another cop-out. There were lots of things I loved about this movie, but it seemed like they were trying to cram so much in that the character things I loved from previous Marvel movies just weren't there. I loved the big battles, especially in Wakanda, and Thor being picked up by the Guardians. And Gamora's journey was done well. But it was almost like it was too fast to feel some of the things they were trying to make emotional, like the whole Vision/Scarlet Witch storyline. And Cap really got lost in this movie, which was much more Tony and Thor's stories than anything. Im okay with cap getting lost. He'll be a bigger part of the next one for sure.
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:41:52 GMT -6
Ueah, I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie. Yeah, it was basically two days.
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:43:05 GMT -6
It was refreshing to see an action movie where the good guys lost at the end of the movie. And where most of the heroes we thought were goners survived and vice versa. I'm positive, though, that many of the fade away people will be back due to messing with time because of how Dr. Strange acted during the fight: not taking advantage of the time stone-that we saw - and what he said to poor Tony at the end. And he's the only one who saw the one possible outcome where they win in the end so he's probably following that. I'm not so sure about the people who died before the fade away. I was sad not to see Hawkeye. Because Jeremy Renner is hot. There has to have been a plan. And yeah, i knew it would end this way. It's like Rogue One. Ypu know how it ends. It's the getting there that's important
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:45:08 GMT -6
Ok, so I liked it, but didn’t love it. I still think Black Panther was better. There was...a lot going on and I’m curious what the next one will be like. I assume many that disappeared to dust will come back, but am curious to how. I’m also curious as to what Strange saw that made it the right decision to give the stone to Thanos. I most likely won’t rewatch it, except for maybe before seeing the next one to remember what happened. Sad about Loki and Gamora (sp?) BP was definitely better
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:46:29 GMT -6
Whoa boy. I really enjoyed it. There were some really funny parts, and a couple scenes where our theater started clapping and cheering. You could have heard a pin drop when the credits started. Everyone was in shock. It was like all 5 stages of grief in the same room at the same time. Some people were sad, some were angry, and some like me were defiant. I kept telling my husband "I refuse to accept that they're dead". I wholeheartedly believe that this is all part of Dr. Strange's plan. He's way too damn logical and unemotional to sacrifice a stone for Tony Stark. There's a reason. This is the only way. The good guys have to lose (at first), in order to win (in the end). Watching them all melt away was definitely depressing. I'm not sure which "death" was hardest: Scarlet Witch losing Vision (again) then melting away herself, Tony holding Peter while he melted away (damn did they both do a good job in that scene), or Okoye watching T'Challa melt away. Surprisingly, I didn't shed a single tear. Normally I cry really easily during movies. I think I was feeling too defiant to cry, lol. I'm also still in denial about Loki. I refuse to accept they killed the funniest foil to one of the main heroes. I actually thought of Vandy during that scene. She's gonna be heartbroken. T'challa was the hardest for me. And damn does he lool fine in his suit.
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:48:25 GMT -6
I could honestly see it go either way with Loki. A little pissed about the utter lack of Valkyrie. Would have loved more Hiddles though
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:53:32 GMT -6
I just saw it. I feel so conflicted right now. So much funny dialogue paired with so much utter devastation. And no real character development for anyone other than Gamora, but then again it's not like much time actually passed during the movie. This is a Thanos movie. Character development for the others took place over 17 other movies. A lot of characters took a back seat in this story to make room for developing Thanos, which is necessary. Gamora is connected to Thanos and his grand plan, so it makes sense for her to be featured a bit more than some others. Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Spidey got quite a bit of screen time compared to most of the Avengers on Earth. Wanda was used pretty well and I think they all had some time to shine even if it didn't take place until midway or later in the film. Thor and Rocket are awesome. Sweet rabbit. <3 Thor. Loved Thor and Rocket. And yeah they have developed the characters. We know who they are and their motives. This was setup. It's that annoying second movie in a series that's exposition for the big finale
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Post by athn64 on May 4, 2018 20:55:20 GMT -6
The nerdy boys next to us said, "They're not even going to show her?!" after the teaser clip in the end credits. I guess according to canon, Gamora's sister (the one Thanos was torturing) picks up the stones and goes bananas? I assume that's what they were talking about, but they left too quick for me to ask. I was like, come back, nerd boys. I need you. I'm sure they would've enjoyed explaining it to an early-middle-age mom. They were definitely talking about Captain Marvel. Her movie comes out in March of next year.
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