sammysam
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 4:38:58 GMT -6
wildhoney Just remember doctors don't know everything. Shame on any doctor who tried to make you feel bad about anything!
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Apr 27, 2018 5:06:16 GMT -6
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Post by purple on Apr 27, 2018 5:06:16 GMT -6
I've only learned on this board that it's not necessary to take it at the same time every day. The instructions with the thermometer I bought told me to take my temperature at exactly the same time every day, after the same amount of sleep. It said that if I woke during the night that day's temperature was useless and should be discounted. That's why I found temping so stressful and stopped sleeping at all!
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Post by purple on Apr 27, 2018 5:10:14 GMT -6
wildhoney, I'm horrified by that doctor. I hope you have a better one now. I have to keep telling my (non-gynae) doctors what a chemical pregnancy is, but they are always horrified and say things like, "But that means you've had five miscarriages! In less than two years!" Yes, thank you, I had noticed. I hope chemical pregnancy is mentioned at an earlier stage of medical training now than it was ten years ago!
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 5:46:50 GMT -6
So I have this new anxiety which is a bit weird which is what if my doc says everything looks perfect and there's no reason to explain why my cycles are so long and unpredictable and wonky? Then what? I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder or worry about this. My recent bloodwork is borderline PCOS but not bad, if that makes sense? My ratio of something to something (FSH to LH? Can't remember) was just shy of 2:1 but normally with PCOS it would look worse, like 3:1. But I guess 2:1 still meets diagnostic criteria. They diagnosed me with PCOS when I was 16 but that's really young and I've had two kids since then so I guess a lot could have changed hormonally. Maybe that's not what I'm dealing with? Just getting the thoughts out of my head, I don't anticipate anyone here having answers! Don't psych yourself out! A lot of my initial testing came back "normal" or "okay" when my OB started trying to dig into my long periods, short luteal phase, and recurrent painful cysts. It wasn't until the RE ordered more extensive labs and ran through the criteria for PCOS at the time (wonky hormones and not just FSH/LH, wonky periods, and polycystic ovaries) that I officially got the diagnosis because I met 2/3. Hopefully all the testing you're having now is a good foundation for the RE and will help with making the correct diagnosis so you can get the correct treatment.
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 5:52:01 GMT -6
If my progesterone is the issue, would there be a certain day of my cycle I should be having that tested? Some women start taking it that day after o? If that's the issue, I don't want to be "too late" and lose another pregnancy. I hear it doesn't hurt so most doc will prescribe it easily? I'm so nervous for a trip to Florida in June, where I'd be testing away from my doctors. I'd like to be in touch with a clinic there if possible for betas and progesterone checks, in case I get a bfp at my mom's in Florida. When I've had progesterone testing, it has been 7DPO. However, I've also had progesterone included in day 3 labs along with FSH and LH. When I've taken progesterone supplements, however, I've started taking them 1DPO.
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 5:53:04 GMT -6
I'm down to 3 points on FF and am feeling my normal PMS ragey tiredness. I'm kind of hoping I have a short cycle this month just to get my period over with. I'd also rather start a period tonight and enjoy an evening on the couch with wine and Chinese food.
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Post by Radley on Apr 27, 2018 6:44:50 GMT -6
Age of LO(s): DS1 is 4, DS2 will be 3 next week.
Month/Cycle: 0/0 (we’re starting TTC in May)
CD/DPO: 27/14
Timing: n/a
RRCS: just worried about starting this all over again. It’s such a mind fuck and I obsess about it a lot.
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Apr 27, 2018 7:31:21 GMT -6
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 7:31:21 GMT -6
sharebear Sorry you're feeling like AF is on the way. If this isn't you're month I hope it comes quickly and doesn't make you wait.
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sammysam
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 7:32:48 GMT -6
Radley We're all here to obsess together at least:) And I'm sure everyone here will agree with you that TTC SUCKS.
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 7:38:50 GMT -6
Welp we start EOD tonight. I'm going to try to stick to EOD throughout but I have a feeling as soon as I see that +OPK I'm going to change my mind and try to hit the 3 days in a row (this is what has gotten me KU twice so I hate to mess with it...but it doesn't seem to be working for us ATM and I think it's stressing SO out a bit...). Opinions needed. I know I asked this before but...do I stick with EOD only or try to fit in 3 days in a row once I get my +OPK? We used to do EOD until a +OPK, then 3 days on a row, skip one, and one more. Or I just try to stay strong and aim for EOD throughout. I know it's only the difference of like 1 day...so it shouldn't really matter...right?
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Apr 27, 2018 7:46:52 GMT -6
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Post by Yogurt on Apr 27, 2018 7:46:52 GMT -6
If my progesterone is the issue, would there be a certain day of my cycle I should be having that tested? Some women start taking it that day after o? If that's the issue, I don't want to be "too late" and lose another pregnancy. I hear it doesn't hurt so most doc will prescribe it easily? I'm so nervous for a trip to Florida in June, where I'd be testing away from my doctors. I'd like to be in touch with a clinic there if possible for betas and progesterone checks, in case I get a bfp at my mom's in Florida. When I've had progesterone testing, it has been 7DPO. However, I've also had progesterone included in day 3 labs along with FSH and LH. When I've taken progesterone supplements, however, I've started taking them 1DPO. Ok, thank you. I'm going to have to the Dr to see about coordinating the timing of this blood work. From what the internet tells me, I can supplement progesterone myself without harmful effects? As in over the counter? I'm considering this because maybe I can pregnant that way and hang on to it, while I'm going through all this blood work. Has anyone had experience with otc progesterone supplements?
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Post by wildhoney on Apr 27, 2018 8:07:02 GMT -6
Thank you guys for all the support about my OB. She basically said she thought I was lying about the chemical pregnancies even though my betas showed I was pregnant? Tlex I was so angry for you before because I know how much it hurts to have someone tell you what you are going through isn't loss... it fucking is and we shouldn't have to validate ourselves to anyone. My RE is awesome and has been so supportive. I'm hopeful that those of you who are waiting to see an RE find someone who makes you feel this way. We all deserve someone who cares about what we are going through because loss/IF is hard enough without having to deal with asshole doctors.
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Post by wildhoney on Apr 27, 2018 8:11:02 GMT -6
Welp we start EOD tonight. I'm going to try to stick to EOD throughout but I have a feeling as soon as I see that +OPK I'm going to change my mind and try to hit the 3 days in a row (this is what has gotten me KU twice so I hate to mess with it...but it doesn't seem to be working for us ATM and I think it's stressing SO out a bit...). Opinions needed. I know I asked this before but...do I stick with EOD only or try to fit in 3 days in a row once I get my +OPK? We used to do EOD until a +OPK, then 3 days on a row, skip one, and one more. Or I just try to stay strong and aim for EOD throughout. I know it's only the difference of like 1 day...so it shouldn't really matter...right? I was curious about this same thing. I don't know what I want to try this cycle.
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sammysam
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 10:21:49 GMT -6
wildhoney Let me know what you decide! Yes. I am a sheep. I like following the crowd. I'm going to talk to SO tonight and see what he thinks is best. But he knows nothing so I'm not sure his opinion is going to factor in to my actual decision.
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 10:25:55 GMT -6
Also...not sure how I feel about the fact that I am now "platinum" but the only place I post is TTGP. I NEED to get out of here in the next 3 cycles.
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 12:03:33 GMT -6
When I've had progesterone testing, it has been 7DPO. However, I've also had progesterone included in day 3 labs along with FSH and LH. When I've taken progesterone supplements, however, I've started taking them 1DPO. Ok, thank you. I'm going to have to the Dr to see about coordinating the timing of this blood work. From what the internet tells me, I can supplement progesterone myself without harmful effects? As in over the counter? I'm considering this because maybe I can pregnant that way and hang on to it, while I'm going through all this blood work. Has anyone had experience with otc progesterone supplements? I do not. Both my OB and RE recommended against it because of uncertainties about dosages and systemic absorption of the supplement. It might be worth it to get the lab work done, chat with your RE about their recommended plan, and (if progesterone supplementation is in the recommended plan) ask about OTC versus RX. Also, starting supplementation before getting lab work done or checking in with your doctor might give you some wonky test results and mask any problems you're having. Sorry for the bajilion nested quotes
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 12:45:51 GMT -6
And now FF has me down to 2 points after entering "irritability." Ughhhh period please just come and put me out of my misery. Also we are going to the beach next weekend and I'd prefer to be done or almost done with my period be then FF maybe I'm so irritable because your interface needs improving and your points system is demoralizing?
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Post by sunny75 on Apr 27, 2018 13:15:25 GMT -6
Welp we start EOD tonight. I'm going to try to stick to EOD throughout but I have a feeling as soon as I see that +OPK I'm going to change my mind and try to hit the 3 days in a row (this is what has gotten me KU twice so I hate to mess with it...but it doesn't seem to be working for us ATM and I think it's stressing SO out a bit...). Opinions needed. I know I asked this before but...do I stick with EOD only or try to fit in 3 days in a row once I get my +OPK? We used to do EOD until a +OPK, then 3 days on a row, skip one, and one more. Or I just try to stay strong and aim for EOD throughout. I know it's only the difference of like 1 day...so it shouldn't really matter...right? Honestly if I were you I would just go for every day if you can do it! I feel like just for your peace of mind you won't want to look back and wonder if that extra day would have made the difference. I haven't gotten a positive OPK yet but I'm getting kind of nervous about getting our timing right this weekend. MH and I have both had a rough week with work and some other stuff so I'm just hoping we can fit in at least a couple days this weekend. Ugh it's so stressful.
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Post by obscureference on Apr 27, 2018 13:24:07 GMT -6
sammysam I’m being a creepy lurker but here are my totally useless anecdotes: DS I got pregnant doing EOD. DD2 I got pregnant doing every day for like, 9 days. My point is, it probably doesn’t matter. Do what makes you feel good.
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Apr 27, 2018 13:24:42 GMT -6
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Post by Yogurt on Apr 27, 2018 13:24:42 GMT -6
I'm not getting the referral to an RE anytime soon. My gp thinks I'm being extra and the ob wants be to go through a bunch of tests and a genetic counselor first. My ob and gp don't seem to know shit about getting pregnant though, so that's great.
I left a message so I can get a call back from the ob office to get the progesterone test on the right day before I mess around with anything myself.
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 13:28:55 GMT -6
I'm not getting the referral to an RE anytime soon. My gp thinks I'm being extra and the ob wants be to go through a bunch of tests and a genetic counselor first. My ob and gp don't seem to know shit about getting pregnant though, so that's great. That seems silly. I can't remember all of your details (or if you're outside the US), but are you required to get a referral from an OB or GP/PCP to go to a specialist? If not, can you just find an RE that is in-network with your insurance and make an appointment? Also, wouldn't an evaluation by an RE be helpful for a genetic counselor? ETA: I get mad when PCPs are stingy with referrals, but are obviously failing at handling a complex issue.
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Apr 27, 2018 13:33:38 GMT -6
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Post by Yogurt on Apr 27, 2018 13:33:38 GMT -6
I'm not getting the referral to an RE anytime soon. My gp thinks I'm being extra and the ob wants be to go through a bunch of tests and a genetic counselor first. My ob and gp don't seem to know shit about getting pregnant though, so that's great. That seems silly. I can't remember all of your details (or if you're outside the US), but are you required to get a referral from an OB or GP/PCP to go to a specialist? If not, can you just find an RE that is in-network with your insurance and make an appointment? Also, wouldn't an evaluation by an RE be helpful for a genetic counselor? ETA: I get mad when PCPs are stingy with referrals, but are obviously failing at handling a complex issue. Yes, I need a referral and no one will write me one. The gp says I need a "fertility specialist" and not an endocrinologist. I can't explain what an RE is and he isn't writing the referral. The ob will write a referral eventually, but not any time soon because she wants me to work with her first. I'm in California
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Post by sharebear on Apr 27, 2018 13:35:08 GMT -6
That seems silly. I can't remember all of your details (or if you're outside the US), but are you required to get a referral from an OB or GP/PCP to go to a specialist? If not, can you just find an RE that is in-network with your insurance and make an appointment? Also, wouldn't an evaluation by an RE be helpful for a genetic counselor? ETA: I get mad when PCPs are stingy with referrals, but are obviously failing at handling a complex issue. Yes, I need a referral and no one will write me one. The gp says I need a "fertility specialist" and not an endocrinologist. I can't explain what an RE is and he isn't writing the referral. The ob will write a referral eventually, but not any time soon because she wants me to work with her first. I'm in California Uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhggggggggghhhhhh *That was a sympathy ugh for you. And a mad ugh at them.
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 19:39:38 GMT -6
obscureference I know you're totally right. It's just the luck of the timing. I'm just worried that if we skip a day that "could" have been the day but if we go every day that SO isn't having enough time to recoup. Gah. I asked SO and he said "whatever you think is best". So no help.
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Post by sammysam on Apr 27, 2018 19:42:24 GMT -6
sunny75 I'll probably chicken out at the last second anyways and throw in the extra day. I hope you get at least a couple good days in around O!
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Post by charliefox on Apr 27, 2018 22:40:09 GMT -6
That seems silly. I can't remember all of your details (or if you're outside the US), but are you required to get a referral from an OB or GP/PCP to go to a specialist? If not, can you just find an RE that is in-network with your insurance and make an appointment? Also, wouldn't an evaluation by an RE be helpful for a genetic counselor? ETA: I get mad when PCPs are stingy with referrals, but are obviously failing at handling a complex issue. Yes, I need a referral and no one will write me one. The gp says I need a "fertility specialist" and not an endocrinologist. I can't explain what an RE is and he isn't writing the referral. The ob will write a referral eventually, but not any time soon because she wants me to work with her first. I'm in California A reproductive endocrinologist IS a fertility specialist. Sorry your docs are being ridiculous about all this.
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Post by charliefox on Apr 27, 2018 22:46:13 GMT -6
Total vent ahead, feel free to ignore.
One of my best friends just told me she's pregnant. I had been expecting it, I knew they were going to start TTC at the beginning of the year, and from certain social media posts I kind of deduced that she was knocked up (we live in different states). In anticipation of this news I had been rationalizing it in my head; they just got married and her H is older, I already have a kid so she's sort of "behind" in that regard etc etc. but it still hit like a punch in the gut. She texted which was nice and gave me time to react, she is one of the few people IRL who knows about our IF struggle.
Ugh, it's been a crazy busy and trying week and I just don't want to deal with this right now. I'm a little upset at myself for being upset by it. She texted me over an hour ago and my heart is still pounding. IF sucks.
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Yogurt
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Post by Yogurt on Apr 27, 2018 23:04:50 GMT -6
A reproductive endocrinologist IS a fertility specialist. Sorry your docs are being ridiculous about all this. Yeah, makes me feel I'm just going to have a bunch more early miscarriages. Like next time I see a bfp, I'll just be waiting to lose it. I feel like I won't even be excited to see a bfp because I know it'll be gone in a few days.
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Post by Foxy on Apr 28, 2018 0:17:31 GMT -6
FF has me at 9 points! Whoop whoop. We'll see what CD 11 brings tomorrow
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Post by sammysam on Apr 28, 2018 5:44:33 GMT -6
charliefox Sorry your friend's pregnancy has you feeling low. I feel exactly the same way when friends announce their pregnancies. It's not that we feel any ill will towards them, it just makes us feel hopeless and crappy. Especially when we've been trying forever. It doesn't hurt any less when we try to rationalize it. My BFF has 4 kids...the last 2 during times I was TTC without success.
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