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Post by emma on Apr 9, 2018 10:53:13 GMT -6
I understand that there is currently a War on Christianity and all and and this church lady may also be offended by the "Happy Holidays" campaign but I really think that there is a difference between her supposedly being offended by Moana and excluding all non-Christians. and one more time, my point is that if it's a movie that 95% of people were on board with, I PERSONALLY think it's fine for them to show it. then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool.
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Post by addymac on Apr 9, 2018 10:58:30 GMT -6
I’d be throwing a shit fit if my HOA were showing these movies. Admittedly I am overly sensitive to religious things but I find this unacceptable. I’d be all over them right now advocating for a change in the movies. I’m at like 7 over this. Shit like this makes me ragey.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Apr 9, 2018 10:58:58 GMT -6
and one more time, my point is that if it's a movie that 95% of people were on board with, I PERSONALLY think it's fine for them to show it. then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. I still don't feel that it falls here. I get why you do, but I'm not there. They are not being told they can't practice another religion or are being limited in any way. They aren't being forced to attend. Given the background of the person in charge- I don't doubt for a second it's an attempt to proselytize and that is a problem.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 10:59:16 GMT -6
and one more time, my point is that if it's a movie that 95% of people were on board with, I PERSONALLY think it's fine for them to show it. then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here.
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Post by theseaword on Apr 9, 2018 11:00:58 GMT -6
I’d complain for sure if my HOA dues were paying for this. Footnotes: I’m in NH so this will never happen (state with second lowest rate of church attendance!) I’m also that person who always says to complain about retail stuff. when my money is going somewhere, I have pretty high standards. I guess that makes sense from the "Live Free or Die" state - too many rules in church. Which state has the lowest? Our neighbor, VT.
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Post by theseaword on Apr 9, 2018 11:03:34 GMT -6
then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. But there’s a clear difference. Coco isn’t about religion. These movies apparently are. You can’t cater to everyone’s tastes. But it’s pretty easy to avoid movies specifically geared towards teaching religious lessons. Pick a movie that would be fine for a public elementary school. The HOA is private, so they can choose otherwise, but if I was a resident I’d be picking up my phone and be majorly cheesed off at them.
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 9, 2018 11:03:39 GMT -6
They are advertising what movies they are playing. I'd be more pissed if they advertised Finding Nemo and you get there and find out it's really Finding Noah.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:05:16 GMT -6
Honestly, I'd get myself on that committee and just either start rotating movies that might appeal to different groups primarily, or try and find popular nonsectarian movies - although I promise you someone will object to any given movie. I remember people being upset about ET. And, to be fair, if someone in any 95% XX community decided to show XX-centric movies, you'd have to be equally offended. I suspect some of this is just the ease/economics of getting rights to the movies, and another part may be other members of the community just not stepping up to be on the entertainment or whatever committee. I would definitely not go in immediately talking exclusionary - maybe focus more on inclusionary for all, including the 95%. Oh yes, I wouldn’t go in guns blazing. Lol. The events in general are just kind of meh, and i know this woman has moved onto the architectural committee (which, thank you Jesus, because it is thankless and awful), and I actually want to be helpful. And I plan a lot of events for my job, so I feel I could be a good fit.
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Post by Minerva on Apr 9, 2018 11:05:43 GMT -6
then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. You understand why a kids’ movie with the subtle underlying message that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you are headed to hell is more exclusionary than a movie some lady objects to simply because it portrays a different religious and cultural tradition, right?
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:06:31 GMT -6
other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. You understand why a kids’ movie with the subtle underlying message that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you are headed to hell is more exclusionary than a movie some lady objects to simply because it portrays a different religious and cultural tradition, right? The answer is no.
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Post by mack on Apr 9, 2018 11:07:17 GMT -6
Yes, people can google themselves....but I also think that adding a little more information to the advertisement is very easy to do and will go a long way. and maybe not trying to trick people into Jesus in the first place. I'm just very anti-evangelicals going out of their way to ensnare as many people into their church as possible. Yeah, if you are going to evangelize, at least be rude about it and knock on doors.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:07:50 GMT -6
I’ll update all of you. The next meeting is in June.
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Post by allthekristys on Apr 9, 2018 11:09:17 GMT -6
I’ll update all of you. The next meeting is in June. That's a long time to wait for an update. When is the movie night?
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:10:25 GMT -6
I’ll update all of you. The next meeting is in June. That's a long time to wait for an update. When is the movie night? The end of the month. They meet every other month, and they already met in April. I may or may not go to the movie.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 11:10:55 GMT -6
other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. You understand why a kids’ movie with the subtle underlying message that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you are headed to hell is more exclusionary than a movie some lady objects to simply because it portrays a different religious and cultural tradition, right? lol in general, of course I do. come on this was a very specific argument related to 95% of people in an HOA being on board with any given thing. my HOA can't even agree with that majority on whether it's okay for Deborah in unit 40 to paint her deck a slightly darker shade of tan
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:11:11 GMT -6
I don’t want to see Boz or appear to support the movie, but it could be good reconassisance.
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Post by mack on Apr 9, 2018 11:11:19 GMT -6
then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. Wait wut?
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 11:11:30 GMT -6
I guess that makes sense from the "Live Free or Die" state - too many rules in church. Which state has the lowest? Our neighbor, VT. Should've guessed - those hippie heathens!
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:12:21 GMT -6
You understand why a kids’ movie with the subtle underlying message that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you are headed to hell is more exclusionary than a movie some lady objects to simply because it portrays a different religious and cultural tradition, right? lol in general, of course I do. come on this was a very specific argument related to 95% of people in an HOA being on board with any given thing. my HOA can't even agree with that majority on whether it's okay for Deborah in unit 40 to paint her deck a slightly darker shade of tan So if 95% of people agreed to show a KKK movie, that would be ok? That’s not a line of thinking that holds up.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 11:12:44 GMT -6
GUYS
I think they are both stupid choices for HOA movie night.
Yes, I would just show Moana and call it a night.
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 9, 2018 11:13:20 GMT -6
That's a long time to wait for an update. When is the movie night? The end of the month. They meet every other month, and they already met in April. I may or may not go to the movie. What was the movie last month?
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:13:25 GMT -6
GUYS I think they are both stupid choices for HOA movie night. Yes, I would just show Moana and call it a night. I think you’re digging into this idea just for the hell of it.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 11:13:55 GMT -6
The end of the month. They meet every other month, and they already met in April. I may or may not go to the movie. What was the movie last month? They only do movie nights a few times a year. I haven’t been here for any yet.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Apr 9, 2018 11:13:56 GMT -6
other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. But there’s a clear difference. Coco isn’t about religion. These movies apparently are. You can’t cater to everyone’s tastes. But it’s pretty easy to avoid movies specifically geared towards teaching religious lessons. Pick a movie that would be fine for a public elementary school. The HOA is private, so they can choose otherwise, but if I was a resident I’d be picking up my phone and be majorly cheesed off at them. I mean, there is stuff like this, so yeah some Christians are going to claim that it's a slight against them. www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2017/november/coco-is-a-huge-hit-but-heres-why-christians-should-beware*Disclaimer- the views reflected in that article do not necessarily reflect my views.
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Post by greykitty on Apr 9, 2018 11:14:13 GMT -6
Honestly, I'd get myself on that committee and just either start rotating movies that might appeal to different groups primarily, or try and find popular nonsectarian movies - although I promise you someone will object to any given movie. I remember people being upset about ET. And, to be fair, if someone in any 95% XX community decided to show XX-centric movies, you'd have to be equally offended. I suspect some of this is just the ease/economics of getting rights to the movies, and another part may be other members of the community just not stepping up to be on the entertainment or whatever committee. I would definitely not go in immediately talking exclusionary - maybe focus more on inclusionary for all, including the 95%. Oh yes, I wouldn’t go in guns blazing. Lol. The events in general are just kind of meh, and i know this woman has moved onto the architectural committee (which, thank you Jesus, because it is thankless and awful), and I actually want to be helpful. And I plan a lot of events for my job, so I feel I could be a good fit. Truly, it's so hard getting people to step up on committees (any committee!), although, every time we get a homeowner complaining about a very personal agenda to them, we ask that they participate in a committee studying the issue and then presenting their findings to the board (dog park, let's say). Amazing how often that agenda item disappears once work is involved. To be fair, if it's a question that definitely would impact and benefit the community, the Board will hop right on it (roofing, let's say), but if we had an entertainment committee, we'd definitely be asking for resident volunteers for that committee. And, yeah, that's when someone with a particular agenda can get in and get their way unless the Board is very vigilant before approving the committee's recommendation. Usually, though, it's just someone with the time and energy who wants to be a active part of their community.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 11:14:17 GMT -6
GUYS I think they are both stupid choices for HOA movie night. Yes, I would just show Moana and call it a night. I think you’re digging into this idea just for the hell of it. at this point, yeah. it's a slow day at work
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Post by Minerva on Apr 9, 2018 11:14:24 GMT -6
You understand why a kids’ movie with the subtle underlying message that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you are headed to hell is more exclusionary than a movie some lady objects to simply because it portrays a different religious and cultural tradition, right? lol in general, of course I do. come on this was a very specific argument related to 95% of people in an HOA being on board with any given thing. my HOA can't even agree with that majority on whether it's okay for Deborah in unit 40 to paint her deck a slightly darker shade of tan No, it is not okay. It will drive down ALL of the property values! It will ruin the charm of the neighborhood! Tell Debra that she’d better paint right or you will impose a fine that she will then probably refuse to pay.
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Post by wildflower on Apr 9, 2018 11:14:41 GMT -6
Heck, my (Evangelical) *church* was doing a community drive in movie night and was showing things like Cars and other Disney hits.
I would be side eyeing this.
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 9, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -6
What was the movie last month? They only do movie nights a few times a year. I haven’t been here for any yet. oh ok. It would be interesting if you could find out from a neighbor if these type of movies are typical or if this is crazy lady finally getting to exercise her movie choosing power.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 11:17:08 GMT -6
then you are PERSONALLY ok with excluding people based on their religious beliefs. Ok cool. other people are PERSONALLY ok with excluding the old lady who doesn't like Coco because of her religious beliefs so not sure why I'm being singled out here. I personally have a problem excluding the 5% based on their religion but I don't have a problem excluding someone that belongs to the 95% that chooses to be offended that the other 5% exist and want to feel included.
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