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Post by Rusty Red on Apr 9, 2018 10:02:55 GMT -6
I feel like it's a little different when you are excluding 1 out of 20 families based on religion though. Besides, do Christians, especially kids, actually enjoy watching Christian movies for general entertainment? The popularity of Veggie Tales suggests that yes they do. My aunt keeps buying these for my son. I don't have the heart to tell her to stop because it means so much to her, but.....we don't watch them.
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Post by jaidit on Apr 9, 2018 10:02:58 GMT -6
I’m not religious and this would offend me. Like, don’t push your agenda down my throat.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 10:05:20 GMT -6
but in the other direction, if you had 5% of people in your neighborhood who were offended by Disney because of their beliefs, and the HOA showed a Disney movie... Disney does not have a religious agenda. I am a reasonable person and I'm not disagreeing with you here. Someone said that even if 5% of people are excluded then the movie shouldn't be shown. As a general statement I disagree with that. Someone (again, NOT ME) could argue that Moana is offensive because it includes Polynesian gods? To be clear, I am not one of these people, but if there are 2 families like that in a group of 100 houses, I think it's still reasonable to show the movie.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 10:05:23 GMT -6
The popularity of Veggie Tales suggests that yes they do. My aunt keeps buying these for my son. I don't have the heart to tell her to stop because it means so much to her, but.....we don't watch them. You can mail them to me for our next neighborhood movie night.
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Post by emma on Apr 9, 2018 10:05:45 GMT -6
Yes I'd be annoyed. Of course anyone can google the movies, and I would, but that doesn't make it any less exclusionary. There's plenty of secular movies to choose from and an HOA community event should not be taking a religious direction
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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 9, 2018 10:05:54 GMT -6
I would normally agree with this, but not when the 5% is being excluded due to their religious beliefs (yes, I know they aren't being "excluded" in the traditional sense of the word, but you know what I mean). There are plenty of secular movies that could be played at a community event. but in the other direction, if you had 5% of people in your neighborhood who were offended by Disney because of their beliefs, and the HOA showed a Disney movie... I think most people would agree that it makes the most sense to just show the Disney movie? I... Don't really know how to respond to this. Disney movies are not overtly religious, so I don't really see a comparison. I can't think of a logical reason someone would be offended by a recent Disney movie, so that affects my perspective. I say recent because there is some offensive shit in some of the older movies.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 10:06:02 GMT -6
I totally get that you can't please everyone but choosing two Christian movies for a Movie Night seems like there is a clear religious agenda. Which may be fine for the community but why not be upfront about it?
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 9, 2018 10:06:09 GMT -6
The popularity of Veggie Tales suggests that yes they do. My aunt keeps buying these for my son. I don't have the heart to tell her to stop because it means so much to her, but.....we don't watch them. Tell her she can stop buying them because they are on netflix now. Suggest a gift of a netflix subscription instead.
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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 9, 2018 10:07:46 GMT -6
Disney does not have a religious agenda. I am a reasonable person and I'm not disagreeing with you here. Someone said that even if 5% of people are excluded then the movie shouldn't be shown. As a general statement I disagree with that. Someone (again, NOT ME) could argue that Moana is offensive because it includes Polynesian gods? To be clear, I am not one of these people, but if there are 2 families like that in a group of 100 houses, I think it's still reasonable to show the movie. I really think this comparison is a stretch.
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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 9, 2018 10:08:05 GMT -6
I totally get that you can't please everyone but choosing two Christian movies for a Movie Night seems like there is a clear religious agenda. Which may be fine for the community but why not be upfront about it? Yes, exactly.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 10:08:22 GMT -6
The popularity of Veggie Tales suggests that yes they do. My aunt keeps buying these for my son. I don't have the heart to tell her to stop because it means so much to her, but.....we don't watch them. Buying... what? Like DVDs? VHS tapes? Hehe. I like sheilathetank's suggestion!
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 10:09:08 GMT -6
Disney does not have a religious agenda. I am a reasonable person and I'm not disagreeing with you here. Someone said that even if 5% of people are excluded then the movie shouldn't be shown. As a general statement I disagree with that. Someone (again, NOT ME) could argue that Moana is offensive because it includes Polynesian gods? To be clear, I am not one of these people, but if there are 2 families like that in a group of 100 houses, I think it's still reasonable to show the movie. That’s still not apples to apples. It “could be argued” is not the same as it having an explicit religious agenda. A reasonable person could not make that argument. Apples to apples would be a kids movie pushing a different religious agenda. Kind of. But not really because even that doesn’t get at the power imbalance.
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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 9, 2018 10:09:24 GMT -6
I am sure we can come up with a reason every Disney movie ever is offensive in some way, but come on. It isn't the same as playing an overtly Christian movie.
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Post by 5280 on Apr 9, 2018 10:09:25 GMT -6
I’d be pretty annoyed. How hard is it to find a family friendly movie that doesn’t have a religious background? There are so many options it is not the right venue to push an agenda.
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Post by notblanche on Apr 9, 2018 10:09:59 GMT -6
Anyone could find a reason to object to any Disney movie, but the difference is a Disney movie isn't inherently exclusionary. A Christian values-based film is.
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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 9, 2018 10:10:19 GMT -6
I’d be pretty annoyed. How hard is it to find a family friendly movie that doesn’t have a religious background? There are so many options it is not the right venue to push an agenda. I think the only answer is that every movie is offensive so no more movies. Sorry.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 10:10:28 GMT -6
I totally get that you can't please everyone but choosing two Christian movies for a Movie Night seems like there is a clear religious agenda. Which may be fine for the community but why not be upfront about it? I think it is not fine for HOA fees to go to religious programming.
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Post by theseaword on Apr 9, 2018 10:11:47 GMT -6
I’d complain for sure if my HOA dues were paying for this.
Footnotes: I’m in NH so this will never happen (state with second lowest rate of church attendance!) I’m also that person who always says to complain about retail stuff. when my money is going somewhere, I have pretty high standards.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 10:11:53 GMT -6
I am a reasonable person and I'm not disagreeing with you here. Someone said that even if 5% of people are excluded then the movie shouldn't be shown. As a general statement I disagree with that. Someone (again, NOT ME) could argue that Moana is offensive because it includes Polynesian gods? To be clear, I am not one of these people, but if there are 2 families like that in a group of 100 houses, I think it's still reasonable to show the movie. I really think this comparison is a stretch. I don't think it is. This lady who runs a church in her dining room and chose these movies would likely be offended by Moana or Coco. AGAIN - I AM NOT saying that this specific community should play these specific movies. In fact I think it's weird. The only point I am trying to make is that if you can please 95% of people in your HOA with an activity then you should generally do so.
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Post by rvasc on Apr 9, 2018 10:13:13 GMT -6
I’d complain for sure if my HOA dues were paying for this. Footnotes: I’m in NH so this will never happen (state with second lowest rate of church attendance!) I’m also that person who always says to complain about retail stuff. when my money is going somewhere, I have pretty high standards. Probably she is donating use of the movies. HOA is paying for popcorn.
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Post by Rusty Red on Apr 9, 2018 10:14:53 GMT -6
My aunt keeps buying these for my son. I don't have the heart to tell her to stop because it means so much to her, but.....we don't watch them. Buying... what? Like DVDs? VHS tapes? Hehe. I like sheilathetank 's suggestion! Yep, DVDs. Every year for Christmas he gets at least one new one, sometimes birthday too. I may try that with the Netflix suggestion.
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Post by emma on Apr 9, 2018 10:15:32 GMT -6
I really think this comparison is a stretch. I don't think it is. This lady who runs a church in her dining room and chose these movies would likely be offended by Moana or Coco. AGAIN - I AM NOT saying that this specific community should play these specific movies. In fact I think it's weird. The only point I am trying to make is that if you can please 95% of people in your HOA with an activity then you should generally do so. but picking overtly christian movies is excluding entire groups of people, on purpose. No one can no that granny down the street is offended by Coco, but it's easy to say any non-christan family is not going to go to that movie night
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Post by greykitty on Apr 9, 2018 10:23:42 GMT -6
Honestly, I'd get myself on that committee and just either start rotating movies that might appeal to different groups primarily, or try and find popular nonsectarian movies - although I promise you someone will object to any given movie. I remember people being upset about ET. And, to be fair, if someone in any 95% XX community decided to show XX-centric movies, you'd have to be equally offended.
I suspect some of this is just the ease/economics of getting rights to the movies, and another part may be other members of the community just not stepping up to be on the entertainment or whatever committee. I would definitely not go in immediately talking exclusionary - maybe focus more on inclusionary for all, including the 95%.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 10:32:59 GMT -6
Disney does not have a religious agenda. I am a reasonable person and I'm not disagreeing with you here. Someone said that even if 5% of people are excluded then the movie shouldn't be shown. As a general statement I disagree with that. Someone (again, NOT ME) could argue that Moana is offensive because it includes Polynesian gods? To be clear, I am not one of these people, but if there are 2 families like that in a group of 100 houses, I think it's still reasonable to show the movie. One could argue that Moana is offensive for its cultural appropriation but if one were to imply that it may be offensive to Christians... I don't know what to say to that.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Apr 9, 2018 10:36:45 GMT -6
Something like this happened in my old subdivision. I think I have talked about it some, but the neighborhood got colonized by a bunch of members of this local evangelical mega-church. One of the church members joined the board (I had previously been a member.) Prior to that, we had always showed Disney/ family style movies, but the member from the church started pushing back and arguing that we should show PG films because not all families allowed their children to watch PG movies, etc. He blocked different types of music at our block party, and so on. They never (when I lived there) showed a Christian movie, but having an ever increasing percentage of evangelical Christians changed the neighborhood in ways I never expected. I think this is a one woman operation. She owns her own “church,” but all of her sermon videos are just her and her kids at the dining room table. Oh. Well that changes things a little. Dear God, please oust this crazy lady from her spot ASAP.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 9, 2018 10:38:02 GMT -6
I think this is a one woman operation. She owns her own “church,” but all of her sermon videos are just her and her kids at the dining room table. Oh. Well that changes things a little. Dear God, please oust this crazy lady from her spot ASAP. Yes this.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 10:42:09 GMT -6
I really think this comparison is a stretch. I don't think it is. This lady who runs a church in her dining room and chose these movies would likely be offended by Moana or Coco. AGAIN - I AM NOT saying that this specific community should play these specific movies. In fact I think it's weird. The only point I am trying to make is that if you can please 95% of people in your HOA with an activity then you should generally do so. I understand that there is currently a War on Christianity and all and and this church lady may also be offended by the "Happy Holidays" campaign but I really think that there is a difference between her supposedly being offended by Moana and excluding all non-Christians.
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Post by Minerva on Apr 9, 2018 10:45:34 GMT -6
Yes, people can google themselves....but I also think that adding a little more information to the advertisement is very easy to do and will go a long way. and maybe not trying to trick people into Jesus in the first place. I'm just very anti-evangelicals going out of their way to ensnare as many people into their church as possible. I lean this way too. I’m Christian, but there are messages in some Christian children’s media that I wouldn’t share with my kids without some serious discussion. H would definitely be annoyed. He grew up as an atheist in the Bible Belt and really hated the subtle religious indoctrination that happened at a lot of children’s social events in his town. That stuff can feel really exclusionary over time.
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Post by piratecat on Apr 9, 2018 10:49:26 GMT -6
I’d complain for sure if my HOA dues were paying for this. Footnotes: I’m in NH so this will never happen (state with second lowest rate of church attendance!) I’m also that person who always says to complain about retail stuff. when my money is going somewhere, I have pretty high standards. I guess that makes sense from the "Live Free or Die" state - too many rules in church. Which state has the lowest?
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Post by gimmeaQ on Apr 9, 2018 10:51:21 GMT -6
I don't think it is. This lady who runs a church in her dining room and chose these movies would likely be offended by Moana or Coco. AGAIN - I AM NOT saying that this specific community should play these specific movies. In fact I think it's weird. The only point I am trying to make is that if you can please 95% of people in your HOA with an activity then you should generally do so. I understand that there is currently a War on Christianity and all and and this church lady may also be offended by the "Happy Holidays" campaign but I really think that there is a difference between her supposedly being offended by Moana and excluding all non-Christians. and one more time, my point is that if it's a movie that 95% of people were on board with, I PERSONALLY think it's fine for them to show it.
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