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Post by lucilleaustero on Oct 12, 2023 7:09:42 GMT -6
I don't know if this is making news everywhere, as I live in an area with a sizeable Jewish population, but there has been an insane increase in threats against Jewish schools and synagogues all across the USA right now.
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Post by Cher on Oct 12, 2023 7:43:38 GMT -6
I don't know if this is making news everywhere, as I live in an area with a sizeable Jewish population, but there has been an insane increase in threats against Jewish schools and synagogues all across the USA right now. I believe I read antisemitic threats are up 483%. I think another thing people might not know is that, at least in our area, I don’t know a single Jewish person that hasn’t lived, studied, visited or has family in Israel. This isn’t some far away debate for them. My social media this week has been filled with loss and despair. People are still looking for their people. People are trying to help their people. Then you have the student body president of NYU publishing a letter that this happened because Israel brought it upon themselves. You have the Hamas flag being flown in NYC. You have BLM of Chicago posting a graphic of the paratroopers that flew in and murdered people with a “Go Palestine!” They suffered one of the most horrific attacks in history and you’ve got people telling them “you deserve it”. They have every right to be scared.
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 12, 2023 7:51:38 GMT -6
Cher, my friend just called me crying because a friend of hers in Israel sent her a photo of what it’s like over there. I’m debating on keeping my daughter home from a bat mitzvah this weekend because I won’t be there and it’s scary. Even with increased police presence.
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Post by Cher on Oct 12, 2023 8:06:12 GMT -6
Cher, my friend just called me crying because a friend of hers in Israel sent her a photo of what it’s like over there. I’m debating on keeping my daughter home from a bat mitzvah this weekend because I won’t be there and it’s scary. Even with increased police presence. I’m sorry. And I’m sorry to the bat mitzvah girl. What a sad time when it should be so happy. Is the reception at an event space? Maybe your daughter skips the synagogue and just goes to that? It doesn’t feel like that would be a target (which is disgusting to even say).
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Post by lucilleaustero on Oct 12, 2023 8:10:18 GMT -6
I don't know if this is making news everywhere, as I live in an area with a sizeable Jewish population, but there has been an insane increase in threats against Jewish schools and synagogues all across the USA right now. I believe I read antisemitic threats are up 483%. I think another thing people might not know is that, at least in our area, I don’t know a single Jewish person that hasn’t lived, studied, visited or has family in Israel. This isn’t some far away debate for them. My social media this week has been filled with loss and despair. People are still looking for their people. People are trying to help their people. Then you have the student body president of NYU publishing a letter that this happened because Israel brought it upon themselves. You have the Hamas flag being flown in NYC. You have BLM of Chicago posting a graphic of the paratroopers that flew in and murdered people with a “Go Palestine!” They suffered one of the most horrific attacks in history and you’ve got people telling them “you deserve it”. They have every right to be scared. I think what you wrote is important. People are easy to dismiss or downplay the suffering of a people when they are completely removed from those people and don't have context. I remember the general apathy, save for a few weeks after the photo of a bloodied toddler was published, over Syria. Meanwhile, my husband's family was in terror for family that went missing. But, the general population wrote it off as Muslims fighting Muslims. My ex fiance went on a Birthright trip to Israel in 2007 and wound up witnessing a skirmish near the Gaza Strip and he was never the same. We can't know what it is like and the complexities are filtered through the bias of media.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 8:13:35 GMT -6
This is disgusting and antisemitic in its greatest form. IDF has been warning Palestinians to cross over to Egypt. And Israel worked to help Palestinians have their own state, but Hamas spends all its money on decapitating babies and raping women and children. That's where the money goes. So when you see you want free Palestine from The river to the sea, you are supporting their cause to rid all the Jews from Israel, and the world. I recommend listening to @noatishby and @rootsmetals and @evebarlow to learn the real history. Not the propaganda making it seem that Israelis (civilians) wish harm on Palestinians. There are more Arabs living in Israel, in a free demoncracy, able to practice their religion and love who they want, than any of the Arab nations. No, that’s not what ‘from the river to the sea’ means. It’s dehumanizing to say that. Pro-Palestinians don’t hate all Jews. Do some? Of course. I wouldn’t apply that to the entire group of people though, just as I wouldn’t hold all Zionists to account for everything their government, movement or even individual people say/do that are anti-Palestinian. jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-meanThere hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. And yes, some Arab’s lives in Israel. They do not have the equal and tranquil existence you are implying though. www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israelIDF confirmed they did not call for Gazans to flee for Egypt. Beyond that, they shouldn’t have to be displaced again. www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1696958149-rafah-crossing-from-gaza-to-egypt-impassableI keep up with some of the accounts you listed. They are intelligent, compassionate women who have so much love for their Jewish community. Which is beautiful. That said, I see a lot of anti-Islamic/Arab rhetoric from them. Also dismissive, and sometimes revisionist, recounts of history and current events. I don’t feel it is being done maliciously, but it is biased. Not to say it’s all inaccurate, of course. It is not fair to shut down dialogue by calling every critique antisemitic, or to call everything that doesn’t agree with Zionism propaganda. It’s also not fair to say nobody cares for the lives lost this weekend because they’re discussing the intricacies of the I-P conflict. I tell my Palestinian friends the same thing. It can’t be “agree with me or it’s propaganda/hatred” (beyond the obvious condemnation of war crimes)
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Post by Cher on Oct 12, 2023 8:25:48 GMT -6
This is disgusting and antisemitic in its greatest form. IDF has been warning Palestinians to cross over to Egypt. And Israel worked to help Palestinians have their own state, but Hamas spends all its money on decapitating babies and raping women and children. That's where the money goes. So when you see you want free Palestine from The river to the sea, you are supporting their cause to rid all the Jews from Israel, and the world. I recommend listening to @noatishby and @rootsmetals and @evebarlow to learn the real history. Not the propaganda making it seem that Israelis (civilians) wish harm on Palestinians. There are more Arabs living in Israel, in a free demoncracy, able to practice their religion and love who they want, than any of the Arab nations. There hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. I think this is really important. The Palestinian people are completely innocent in this. They are being held hostage by this terrorist regime essentially. To be fair, I don’t know a single person that blames the Palestinians. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because there’s so much hate out there. But, in my community, I have heard time and time again empathy for them. I genuinely posed this question the other day and I meant it, what is the proper response? If the Canadian govt came into America and killed 30,000+ people, beheading babies, raping women, taking hostages, what would we do? It would result in a war, without a doubt. I’m heartbroken by what’s happening in Palestine. I know that there are unspeakable atrocities happening there. These people don’t deserve this. But what other response would come from this attack but war? Hamas knew this and didn’t care. I don’t know what the answer is but it all seems so unfair and heart-wrenching.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 12, 2023 8:37:48 GMT -6
There hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. I think this is really important. The Palestinian people are completely innocent in this. They are being held hostage by this terrorist regime essentially. To be fair, I don’t know a single person that blames the Palestinians. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because there’s so much hate out there. But, in my community, I have heard time and time again empathy for them. I genuinely posed this question the other day and I meant it, what is the proper response? If the Canadian govt came into America and killed 30,000+ people, beheading babies, raping women, taking hostages, what would we do? It would result in a war, without a doubt. I’m heartbroken by what’s happening in Palestine. I know that there are unspeakable atrocities happening there. These people don’t deserve this. But what other response would come from this attack but war? Hamas knew this and didn’t care. I don’t know what the answer is but it all seems so unfair and heart-wrenching. Israel absolutely had to respond, I don't think that's even in question. I think the part of the response people take is due with is the complete siege that's cutting civilians off from food, clean water, fuel, etc.
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Post by blurnette989 on Oct 12, 2023 8:40:14 GMT -6
Cher I don't know the answer your question. Though, I agree war is probably inevitable, but also Israel has one of the most highly trained militaries in the world and is supported by the largest military in the world. So I guess I expect them to have the wherewithal to make a plan that doesn't involve cutting off supplies, fuel/power and water resources to the entire area. A move that everyone understands will disproportionately affect the unprepared civilian population. I expect them to make a plan that will do it's best to protect civilian lives.
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Post by blurnette989 on Oct 12, 2023 8:40:52 GMT -6
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Post by Cher on Oct 12, 2023 8:43:40 GMT -6
I think this is really important. The Palestinian people are completely innocent in this. They are being held hostage by this terrorist regime essentially. To be fair, I don’t know a single person that blames the Palestinians. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because there’s so much hate out there. But, in my community, I have heard time and time again empathy for them. I genuinely posed this question the other day and I meant it, what is the proper response? If the Canadian govt came into America and killed 30,000+ people, beheading babies, raping women, taking hostages, what would we do? It would result in a war, without a doubt. I’m heartbroken by what’s happening in Palestine. I know that there are unspeakable atrocities happening there. These people don’t deserve this. But what other response would come from this attack but war? Hamas knew this and didn’t care. I don’t know what the answer is but it all seems so unfair and heart-wrenching. Israel absolutely had to respond, I don't think that's even in question. I think the part of the response people take is due with is the complete siege that's cutting civilians off from food, clean water, fuel, etc. Completely. Horrific. I can’t imagine anyone supporting that. But I also think kids dying from air strikes in Palestine is horrific. And that’s when it gets so gray. Because a response was inevitable. But it feels like a response just kills more innocent lives.
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Post by origami on Oct 12, 2023 8:45:36 GMT -6
There hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. I think this is really important. The Palestinian people are completely innocent in this. They are being held hostage by this terrorist regime essentially. To be fair, I don’t know a single person that blames the Palestinians. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because there’s so much hate out there. But, in my community, I have heard time and time again empathy for them. I genuinely posed this question the other day and I meant it, what is the proper response? If the Canadian govt came into America and killed 30,000+ people, beheading babies, raping women, taking hostages, what would we do? It would result in a war, without a doubt. I’m heartbroken by what’s happening in Palestine. I know that there are unspeakable atrocities happening there. These people don’t deserve this. But what other response would come from this attack but war? Hamas knew this and didn’t care. I don’t know what the answer is but it all seems so unfair and heart-wrenching. I think the issue that comes up with the question is two fold, first is that Gaza is occupied. Yes Hamas controls the internal but Israel controls the external. This isn't propaganda, Netanyahu is quite proud of it and making it known. Regular Israelis don't want that either from what I've seen. We don't have an analogous with Canada. The second is we're a war machine. We would bomb the fuck outta Canada and we know it, but we bombed the fuck outta Iraq with fake evidence so I'm not sure we can make the same comparison. I wish I could say the same about sentiments about Palestinians. I've read and heard that Gaza should be wiped off the map. I have since deleted all my social media except here because I can't with either side saying that (I know the antisemitism is off the charts too). Finally (to the whole group), Al Jazeera is generally considered to have low bias and that article actually has Doctors Without Borders as their fact check of medical deaths so writing it off as antisemitic propaganda isn't fair. Humanitarian groups are generally the trusted source for these fact checks and while Hamas does store weapons in medical facilities, according to DWB/MSF this wasn't warned.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 8:55:54 GMT -6
There hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. I think this is really important. The Palestinian people are completely innocent in this. They are being held hostage by this terrorist regime essentially. To be fair, I don’t know a single person that blames the Palestinians. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen because there’s so much hate out there. But, in my community, I have heard time and time again empathy for them. I genuinely posed this question the other day and I meant it, what is the proper response? If the Canadian govt came into America and killed 30,000+ people, beheading babies, raping women, taking hostages, what would we do? It would result in a war, without a doubt. I’m heartbroken by what’s happening in Palestine. I know that there are unspeakable atrocities happening there. These people don’t deserve this. But what other response would come from this attack but war? Hamas knew this and didn’t care. I don’t know what the answer is but it all seems so unfair and heart-wrenching. I don’t have a complete answer for you. I don’t think anyone does. In the immediate, no talks are going to happen and no peace is going to be made. Pertaining to Gaza in the moment, I would prefer a ground infiltration over bombing to reduce civilian casualties. I would allow food, water and other necessities of life to be allowed back in. Pertaining to the other part of your comment, 90% of the Indigenous population in the America’s were killed after contact. More than 50 million people. Women raped, babies slaughtered, food sources decimated, tribes cleansed. They still face rampant discrimination and in Canada the millennial scoop is literally still happening. My babies ask me if they’re going to be taken. My in laws attended Indian Day School. I think it’s hard for the average Canadian/American to grasp what’s happening in war times because it feels far removed for them. It doesn’t feel far removed for my family. I don’t agree with oppression or bombing of children. I see and know many who are blaming and hate Palestinians. One side can’t complain about people saying “yes, but…” while saying “yes, but…” to the other side. It’s a circle of hell.
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Post by jaygee on Oct 12, 2023 8:58:48 GMT -6
The major university associated with my work sent out an update email yesterday with some very troubling things happening on campus. Students are being targeted and everyone is rightfully scared. They were transparent in details which I appreciated because I think people will read with their own biases if a generic “hate has no place here” message is sent. Palestinian students have received threats. An instructor called out individual students based on their backgrounds and identities when discussing the conflict. I’m sure this is happening on many college campuses right now. This brings out the worst in people and the suffering extends. I hope everyone can hold their community close and just be the peace that the world needs right now.
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Post by jaygee on Oct 12, 2023 9:53:58 GMT -6
This is sort of related to the above post by @icedtea but enough off topic that I won’t quote. Lol
Anyways, I’m currently participating in a DBT therapy group. Dialectical behavior therapy is based on the the idea that two or more seemingly opposing views can be true at once. The intent of using it in personal therapy is to resolve conflicts and aid in emotional regulation. A simple example is “this is hard and I can get through it”. Basically you remove the word “but” and use and whenever possible.
I mention it because since I’ve been learning and applying it in my personal life I’m realizing how much of the communication and messaging we are fed lacks dialectical language and is instead framed in black and white thinking. This applies to many situations but clearly has been smacking me in the face this week and so many people try to communicate about the conflict and attacks. It might be a western thing, American thing. Idk. But it’s very interesting to observe.
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Post by sae82 on Oct 12, 2023 10:21:48 GMT -6
This is absolutely false. Hamas hides their weapons purposely in hospitals and schools so further facilitate this propaganda. They are warned to leave in advance of any strikes. What should they do? Lay down and continue to be massacred??????? One Holocaust wasn't enough? This has been proven time and again-Hamas makes civilian sites military targets
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Post by sae82 on Oct 12, 2023 10:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by Sweetjane on Oct 12, 2023 10:27:38 GMT -6
This is disgusting and antisemitic in its greatest form. IDF has been warning Palestinians to cross over to Egypt. And Israel worked to help Palestinians have their own state, but Hamas spends all its money on decapitating babies and raping women and children. That's where the money goes. So when you see you want free Palestine from The river to the sea, you are supporting their cause to rid all the Jews from Israel, and the world. I recommend listening to @noatishby and @rootsmetals and @evebarlow to learn the real history. Not the propaganda making it seem that Israelis (civilians) wish harm on Palestinians. There are more Arabs living in Israel, in a free demoncracy, able to practice their religion and love who they want, than any of the Arab nations. No, that’s not what ‘from the river to the sea’ means. It’s dehumanizing to say that. Pro-Palestinians don’t hate all Jews. Do some? Of course. I wouldn’t apply that to the entire group of people though, just as I wouldn’t hold all Zionists to account for everything their government, movement or even individual people say/do that are anti-Palestinian. jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-meanThere hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. And yes, some Arab’s lives in Israel. They do not have the equal and tranquil existence you are implying though. www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israelIDF confirmed they did not call for Gazans to flee for Egypt. Beyond that, they shouldn’t have to be displaced again. www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1696958149-rafah-crossing-from-gaza-to-egypt-impassableI keep up with some of the accounts you listed. They are intelligent, compassionate women who have so much love for their Jewish community. Which is beautiful. That said, I see a lot of anti-Islamic/Arab rhetoric from them. Also dismissive, and sometimes revisionist, recounts of history and current events. I don’t feel it is being done maliciously, but it is biased. Not to say it’s all inaccurate, of course. It is not fair to shut down dialogue by calling every critique antisemitic, or to call everything that doesn’t agree with Zionism propaganda. It’s also not fair to say nobody cares for the lives lost this weekend because they’re discussing the intricacies of the I-P conflict. I tell my Palestinian friends the same thing. It can’t be “agree with me or it’s propaganda/hatred” (beyond the obvious condemnation of war crimes) Thank you for clarifying, this is what I've been saying for days. Words matter. Israel, Palestine and Hamas are 3 separate groups. Palestine is not just Hamas just as we know not all Israelis are Zionist. Even this thread title bothers me because it's dismissive of Palestinians, they should be included in the conversation.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 12, 2023 10:28:01 GMT -6
Israel absolutely had to respond, I don't think that's even in question. I think the part of the response people take is due with is the complete siege that's cutting civilians off from food, clean water, fuel, etc. Yes, this. I have no idea what the right response is, but it cannot be cutting off innocent people from food and safety. I keep seeing people are told to go to Egypt, but I'm also reading that's not actually possible and so it seems like an empty solution. Meanwhile, Harvard University students published a piece saying Hamas' attack is "entirely" Israel's fault. Just. The fuck. And so many conversations I see [again IN GENERAL] have this air of Jewish people having so much power, just completely ignoring the endless history of them being displaced and massacred. There doesn't seem to be any way to have a conversation that fully acknowledges both sides' pain, and until there is I'm not sure how any of this gets better. Powerful Jewish people is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes. It's disgusting to see people using it flippant in this moment (or at all)
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Post by dc2london on Oct 12, 2023 10:33:53 GMT -6
This is sort of related to the above post by @icedtea but enough off topic that I won’t quote. Lol Anyways, I’m currently participating in a DBT therapy group. Dialectical behavior therapy is based on the the idea that two or more seemingly opposing views can be true at once. The intent of using it in personal therapy is to resolve conflicts and aid in emotional regulation. A simple example is “this is hard and I can get through it”. Basically you remove the word “but” and use and whenever possible. I mention it because since I’ve been learning and applying it in my personal life I’m realizing how much of the communication and messaging we are fed lacks dialectical language and is instead framed in black and white thinking. This applies to many situations but clearly has been smacking me in the face this week and so many people try to communicate about the conflict and attacks. It might be a western thing, American thing. Idk. But it’s very interesting to observe. My mother always told us, growing up, "Almost nothing in real life is black and white." She really insisted on us learning to check our biases and dig deep when forming opinions.
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Post by sweetpea on Oct 12, 2023 10:39:49 GMT -6
No, that’s not what ‘from the river to the sea’ means. It’s dehumanizing to say that. Pro-Palestinians don’t hate all Jews. Do some? Of course. I wouldn’t apply that to the entire group of people though, just as I wouldn’t hold all Zionists to account for everything their government, movement or even individual people say/do that are anti-Palestinian. jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-meanThere hasn’t been an election in Gaza for 16 years. 64% of the people there weren’t even alive or eligible to vote when Hamas got in, so why are they being blamed? They don’t control where the money goes. They can’t hold a terrorist organization accountable. And yes, some Arab’s lives in Israel. They do not have the equal and tranquil existence you are implying though. www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israelIDF confirmed they did not call for Gazans to flee for Egypt. Beyond that, they shouldn’t have to be displaced again. www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1696958149-rafah-crossing-from-gaza-to-egypt-impassableI keep up with some of the accounts you listed. They are intelligent, compassionate women who have so much love for their Jewish community. Which is beautiful. That said, I see a lot of anti-Islamic/Arab rhetoric from them. Also dismissive, and sometimes revisionist, recounts of history and current events. I don’t feel it is being done maliciously, but it is biased. Not to say it’s all inaccurate, of course. It is not fair to shut down dialogue by calling every critique antisemitic, or to call everything that doesn’t agree with Zionism propaganda. It’s also not fair to say nobody cares for the lives lost this weekend because they’re discussing the intricacies of the I-P conflict. I tell my Palestinian friends the same thing. It can’t be “agree with me or it’s propaganda/hatred” (beyond the obvious condemnation of war crimes) Thank you for clarifying, this is what I've been saying for days. Words matter. Israel, Palestine and Hamas are 3 separate groups. Palestine is not just Hamas just as we know not all Israelis are Zionist. Even this thread title bothers me because it's dismissive of Palestinians, they should be included in the conversation. I will take the blame for that. I debated what to call the thread and ultimately decided to model it after what MSNBC was using. But I can see how it should have a Palestinian angle too. Mea culpa
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Post by jaygee on Oct 12, 2023 11:16:36 GMT -6
This is sort of related to the above post by @icedtea but enough off topic that I won’t quote. Lol Anyways, I’m currently participating in a DBT therapy group. Dialectical behavior therapy is based on the the idea that two or more seemingly opposing views can be true at once. The intent of using it in personal therapy is to resolve conflicts and aid in emotional regulation. A simple example is “this is hard and I can get through it”. Basically you remove the word “but” and use and whenever possible. I mention it because since I’ve been learning and applying it in my personal life I’m realizing how much of the communication and messaging we are fed lacks dialectical language and is instead framed in black and white thinking. This applies to many situations but clearly has been smacking me in the face this week and so many people try to communicate about the conflict and attacks. It might be a western thing, American thing. Idk. But it’s very interesting to observe. My mother always told us, growing up, "Almost nothing in real life is black and white." She really insisted on us learning to check our biases and dig deep when forming opinions. Man, I don’t know if it’s having an anxiety disorder or what but my brain was really comfortable with black and white thinking patterns for way too long. Mostly related to my own inner dialogue and messages to myself (not that it makes it better). I’m glad I’m learning and growing in this new way even as an old lady.
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Post by willow on Oct 12, 2023 11:42:09 GMT -6
I don't have the emotional or mental bandwidth to engage in more academic discussion of solutions right now but I find all of this so unbelievably impossible to solve for everyone. I feel fortunate that on my social media, I haven't seen any antisemitic rhetoric from any of my friends. But I have also highly curated my feeds as well so I guess that doesn't surprise me. All I feel like I can do is hug my babies and send my sincerest love to everyone hurting.
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Post by notblanche on Oct 12, 2023 11:48:55 GMT -6
On TV, Lindsay Graham advocated for escalating the violence in Gaza. And he wants to bomb Iran too. Every new thing I read is worse than the last.
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Post by Cher on Oct 12, 2023 12:03:50 GMT -6
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Post by origami on Oct 12, 2023 12:45:03 GMT -6
It shouldn't be ancient history to anyone since survivors and perpetrators are still alive. But I know it is. What sickens me too is rightwing congressmen who will say bomb the hell out of Palestine out of one side of their mouth while spewing Holocaust denying antisemitic rhetoric out of the other. edit to add: I'm not usually a huge Friedman fan but that is a very good Op-Ed. I do suggest everyone read it if you can.
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Post by origami on Oct 12, 2023 12:48:13 GMT -6
They have told them if they release the hostages they will turn the water and electricity back on. They are choosing not to. And again, Hamas and innocent Palestinians aren't the same. It shouldn't have happened in the first place and this justification is dangerous too.
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Post by jaygee on Oct 12, 2023 12:48:44 GMT -6
They have told them if they release the hostages they will turn the water and electricity back on. They are choosing not to. Hamas is refusing to release hostages. But Palestinians are the ones who suffer with no water or electricity. Mass deaths will occur for innocent civilians that have no control over Hamas actions.
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Post by miawallace on Oct 12, 2023 12:54:25 GMT -6
It shouldn't be ancient history to anyone since survivors and perpetrators are still alive. But I know it is. What sickens me too is rightwing congressman who will say bomb the hell out of Palestine out of one side of their mouth while spewing Holocaust denying antisemitic rhetoric out of the other. Man growing up in Evangelical churches is wild man. You get thrown so much anti-Palestine and anti-Semitic shit in the name of end of times prophecies. It’s sick. Obviously not all, but I personally experienced it and heard it growing up constantly. Like people rejoicing these things are happening bc it means Jesus is close to returning. Truly despicable. Given that, That coked out slime ball saying all that checks out actually and pandering to that part of his base that believes what I mentioned.
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