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Post by sweetpea on Oct 11, 2023 15:26:23 GMT -6
Here is a thread to discuss the situation in Israel
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Post by origami on Oct 11, 2023 15:34:30 GMT -6
I just read and really liked this essay by Zach Beauchamp on Vox that is basically what we've all been saying (what we've all been saying about morality and the horrific antisemitism and islamophobia popping off). And I guess I had successfully deleted all of red rose twitter from my social media feeds because I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. www.vox.com/world-politics/23911550/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-leftist-democrats
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 11, 2023 15:48:11 GMT -6
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Post by Cher on Oct 11, 2023 16:02:33 GMT -6
I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. I don’t know how much you saw, but a Hamas flag was flown. Eric Adams issued a warning for the city. There’s a lot of local chatter about not attending big events or wearing religious garb. People are scared.
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Post by origami on Oct 11, 2023 16:04:26 GMT -6
I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. I don’t know how much you saw, but a Hamas flag was flown. Eric Adams issued a warning for the city. There’s a lot of local chatter about not attending big events or wearing religious garb. People are scared. I didn't see it, I just read it in that article. It's so fucked. I'm so sorry for your NY community.
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Post by SweetPotato on Oct 11, 2023 16:08:29 GMT -6
I just read and really liked this essay by Zach Beauchamp on Vox that is basically what we've all been saying (what we've all been saying about morality and the horrific antisemitism and islamophobia popping off). And I guess I had successfully deleted all of red rose twitter from my social media feeds because I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. www.vox.com/world-politics/23911550/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-leftist-democratsThanks for sharing - that’s a good one
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Post by Cher on Oct 11, 2023 16:09:24 GMT -6
I don’t know how much you saw, but a Hamas flag was flown. Eric Adams issued a warning for the city. There’s a lot of local chatter about not attending big events or wearing religious garb. People are scared. I didn't see it, I just read it in that article. It's so fucked. I'm so sorry for your NY community. I read the article but somehow missed that! I’m also operating on no sleep this week, so that’s probably on me.
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Post by lucylou on Oct 11, 2023 16:35:46 GMT -6
I saw this earlier today and wanted to bring it here but I don’t really go here. This is terrifying. But I can’t get a feel for if this is a realistic possibility or just him talking big? Last I checked, the major news networks hadn’t picked it up. I don’t know what to think.
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Post by cnf on Oct 11, 2023 16:41:35 GMT -6
I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. I don’t know how much you saw, but a Hamas flag was flown. Eric Adams issued a warning for the city. There’s a lot of local chatter about not attending big events or wearing religious garb. People are scared. Man, and I thought the person who went to the JCC in Syracuse and kicked over the display of Israeli flags was an asshole. This whole thing is so heartbreaking. I hurt for everyone affected. My father is Jewish. I'm curious how he's feeling over all of this.
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Post by cnf on Oct 11, 2023 16:44:11 GMT -6
I saw this earlier today and wanted to bring it here but I don’t really go here. This is terrifying. But I can’t get a feel for if this is a realistic possibility or just him talking big? Last I checked, the major news networks hadn’t picked it up. I don’t know what to think. I heard this yesterday, but it was from another teacher who also believed in a bunch of crap during covid that was absolute bullshit, so I kind of wrote him off. But if others are seeing it and it's being posted as actual news and headlines then it changes how I feel. Fuck, it's so scary. I feel so disheartened and broken over the state of the world right now.
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 11, 2023 16:47:28 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Oct 11, 2023 16:47:49 GMT -6
Re: the DSA rally - AOC had a good, clear statement on it. I don’t always see eye to eye with her but I’m glad she said this. “It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y), one of six DSA members in Congress, in a statement late Monday — her first comments on the rally. “The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation,” she said. www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/aoc-pro-palestine-nyc-rally-00120684#:~:text=at%20the%20event.-,%E2%80%9CIt%20should%20not%20be%20hard%20to%20shut%20down%20hatred%20and,first%20comments%20on%20the%20rally.
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Post by robot on Oct 11, 2023 17:24:14 GMT -6
If anyone is interested in donating this is the organization that mobilized the protests in Israel over the recent judicial changes. They’re currently using their organizational structure to support Israeli residents on the conflict line. You can read more about what they’re doing for people on the ground. hofshi-israel.co.il/en/I hope it’s ok to share. For myself, as an American Jew, and a lot of other people in my community, a love of and connection to Israel is tied into our Jewish identity. That doesn’t mean we don’t also vehemently disagree with the Israeli government and their agenda. I feel broken over what’s happening.
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Post by jaygee on Oct 11, 2023 18:39:29 GMT -6
I just read and really liked this essay by Zach Beauchamp on Vox that is basically what we've all been saying (what we've all been saying about morality and the horrific antisemitism and islamophobia popping off). And I guess I had successfully deleted all of red rose twitter from my social media feeds because I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. www.vox.com/world-politics/23911550/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-leftist-democratsThis is excellent. Thank you for sharing.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 11, 2023 18:58:32 GMT -6
I saw this earlier today and wanted to bring it here but I don’t really go here. This is terrifying. But I can’t get a feel for if this is a realistic possibility or just him talking big? Last I checked, the major news networks hadn’t picked it up. I don’t know what to think. I'm quoting you, but I'm really saying this to everyone on HIH: you don't have to be a regular participant in the weekly minutae of the PCE threads, you absolutely are welcome here (if I may speak on behalf of the thread regs). The PCE board is for everyone and we warmly welcome anyone chiming in when they see fit.
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Post by blurnette989 on Oct 12, 2023 0:32:56 GMT -6
Adding to dc2london 's comment, if you are here you go here. If you care at all about current events or learning historical contexts about things and want to comment and ask questions, you go here. We learn a lot from each other here and the more voices the more we can learn.
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Post by AmyG on Oct 12, 2023 0:40:58 GMT -6
I just read and really liked this essay by Zach Beauchamp on Vox that is basically what we've all been saying (what we've all been saying about morality and the horrific antisemitism and islamophobia popping off). And I guess I had successfully deleted all of red rose twitter from my social media feeds because I had no idea about the DSA of New York having that rally and that is absolutely disgusting. The hard left and the hard right have so very much in common. www.vox.com/world-politics/23911550/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-leftist-democratsThis is excellent. Thank you for sharing. Yes this is a good article. Neither side is looking very good and moral. Both sides are at war crimes. Meanness justified by we are more in the right or we are only returning the atrocities that we have already received. There's seems no way out of this mess 😢
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 12, 2023 5:45:47 GMT -6
Egypt won’t open their border to Gaza either because they don’t want to let Hamas in. It’s interesting that only Israel gets blamed for the terrible conditions there.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 6:04:56 GMT -6
Egypt won’t open their border to Gaza either because they don’t want to let Hamas in. It’s interesting that only Israel gets blamed for the terrible conditions there. They’re under Israeli occupation not Egyptian though?
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 12, 2023 6:21:16 GMT -6
babybean, I’m still learning and could be wrong but no, Israel doesn’t occupy the Gaza Strip. They control their border and provide electricity food and water to the people in the Gaza. Egypt could just as easily open their border to refugees and it won’t. Further, Hamas gets money and doesn’t spend it on improving Gaza - they spend it on arms that they hide in schools and hospitals. Has Israel done wrong things - probably - but they aren’t the only ones to blame for the terrible living conditions.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 6:23:23 GMT -6
Egypt won’t open their border to Gaza either because they don’t want to let Hamas in. It’s interesting that only Israel gets blamed for the terrible conditions there. Also the IDF has bombed the Rafah crossing so they couldn’t cross even if Egypt allowed it.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 6:29:14 GMT -6
babybean, I’m still learning and could be wrong but no, Israel doesn’t occupy the Gaza Strip. They control their border and provide electricity food and water to the people in the Gaza. Egypt could just as easily open their border to refugees and it won’t. Further, Hamas gets money and doesn’t spend it on improving Gaza - they spend it on arms that they hide in schools and hospitals. Has Israel done wrong things - probably - but they aren’t the only ones to blame for the terrible living conditions. Wow. Parts of this are grossly inaccurate and/or wildly dismissive.
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Post by ellewoods on Oct 12, 2023 6:35:17 GMT -6
babybean, I’m open to learning - hence being here and researching.
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Post by babybean on Oct 12, 2023 6:41:39 GMT -6
babybean, I’m open to learning - hence being here and researching. I’ll try and formulate a proper response in a bit, but saying things staunchly when you admittedly don’t know all of the facts is wild.
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Post by notblanche on Oct 12, 2023 6:42:57 GMT -6
ellewoods it’s incorrect that the city of Gaza controls its own resources or that its people have really any freedom of movement. And this week, the Israeli government has cut off all food, water, electricity and fuel - to a city of a million children.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Oct 12, 2023 6:45:01 GMT -6
Has Israel done wrong things - probably - but they aren’t the only ones to blame for the terrible living conditions. Just to be clear, there are multiple UN resolutions against Israel due to their policies against the Palestinians. Amnesty International compares the Israeli policies as akin to the South African apartheid. So, yes. Israel has done many things wrong. But, that is the Israeli government. Hamas attacked kids at a rave and families. They didn't strike the government and there is no excusing that. You have two hate groups in charge and the people will pay the price.
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Post by downwarddog on Oct 12, 2023 6:49:06 GMT -6
My daughter and I left flowers on the steps if our local synagogue yesterday. They have a 24/7 security guard right now, he was very kind to us. I know it's nothing in the grand scheme. I don't know what to do.
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Post by notblanche on Oct 12, 2023 6:52:39 GMT -6
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Post by notblanche on Oct 12, 2023 6:54:48 GMT -6
My heart has been in my throat all week. Everyone should be able to live without fear of being bombed or forcibly evicted from their homes.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 12, 2023 7:07:21 GMT -6
For those of us trying to learn more about this conflict, I keep seeing the Wiser World podcast recommended. I’m going to listen on my walk today, so I can’t give a personal rec, but it looks like a good place to start.
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