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Post by mb3 on Mar 11, 2019 17:40:17 GMT -6
All this prompted me to look up their obituary again and I’m sure we talked about it at the time but I had forgotten how odd it was that it barely mentions Jayme. I get that it was a unique situation, it might not have been clear then that she wasn’t involved, but I just find it odd that they give details about their wedding, jobs and all it says about their daughter is that she survived them.
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Post by Cher on Mar 11, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -6
mmmmmm... You're going along with your own life and own plans until one day, out of the blue, someone murders your sister and brother in law and kidnaps your niece. Then you find her and now you're the one in charge of raising her. Probably have a hard time selling your sister's home because two people were brutally murdered in it. No telling if they left any life insurance or money behind to raise her with... I know the optics are a little weird, but I also don't think it's the worst thing ever. There’s been a huge amount of money raised when searching for Jayme. There’s also a current GFM with $50k raised to assist with raising her now that she’s home. It should be noted that the GFM says it is going to benefit the aunt and uncle, as well as Jayme (https://www.gofundme.com/jayme-is-home-help-heal-her-heart). Jayme also received the reward money. Jennie O offers life insurance, they also paid for both funerals. I’m just not sure why the aunt and uncle need a separate account for their home renovations and expenses when it’s been noted in past and current fundraisers for Jayme that it’s for their benefit too. I think it’s def a little side-eye worthy to throw a benefit “Jayme is home!” And then underneath, “please contribute to *us*”.
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Post by sheilathetank on Mar 12, 2019 7:58:59 GMT -6
All this prompted me to look up their obituary again and I’m sure we talked about it at the time but I had forgotten how odd it was that it barely mentions Jayme. I get that it was a unique situation, it might not have been clear then that she wasn’t involved, but I just find it odd that they give details about their wedding, jobs and all it says about their daughter is that she survived them. Really? Most obits i've read are about the person's life and then at the end usally says something like "Jane was survived by her two daughters, Claire Jones and Betty Ross, her brother John Smith. The family requests that in lieu of flowers a donation can be made to yada yada charity." That's usually it. I don't ever see an obit as really including the other relatives except to mention they exist.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Mar 12, 2019 8:00:22 GMT -6
mmmmmm... You're going along with your own life and own plans until one day, out of the blue, someone murders your sister and brother in law and kidnaps your niece. Then you find her and now you're the one in charge of raising her. Probably have a hard time selling your sister's home because two people were brutally murdered in it. No telling if they left any life insurance or money behind to raise her with... I know the optics are a little weird, but I also don't think it's the worst thing ever. I'm here. Jayme's life is going to be hard and if years of therapy and/or medical bills are ahead, I don't think the life insurance from manufacturing jobs are going to make her wealthy into adulthood. Good God, I hope she can grow into a self-sufficientadult but I wouldn't be shocked if shes not able to work a normal job one day. I also think they must know that they have a limited window of attention on the case. I grew up in a small midwestern city and I think this may be cultural as well. Communities really rallied for families and requesting funds wasn't strange in the least. Their community may view this as normal. While I think it reads strangely and I can see the interpretation it's a cash grab, I'm going to give them a pass. It's weird because I love to judge but I can't go there in this case.
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Post by brux on Mar 12, 2019 8:07:32 GMT -6
mmmmmm... You're going along with your own life and own plans until one day, out of the blue, someone murders your sister and brother in law and kidnaps your niece. Then you find her and now you're the one in charge of raising her. Probably have a hard time selling your sister's home because two people were brutally murdered in it. No telling if they left any life insurance or money behind to raise her with... I know the optics are a little weird, but I also don't think it's the worst thing ever. I grew up in a small midwestern city and I think this may be cultural as well. I totally didn't give enough room for this explanation. These people (not MY people...but Midwestern people) have dollar dances at weddings.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 8:08:45 GMT -6
All this prompted me to look up their obituary again and I’m sure we talked about it at the time but I had forgotten how odd it was that it barely mentions Jayme. I get that it was a unique situation, it might not have been clear then that she wasn’t involved, but I just find it odd that they give details about their wedding, jobs and all it says about their daughter is that she survived them. You don't read obits often, do you? 1,000% normal. Read some others. Same shit. It's an article, it's basic life events and info.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Mar 12, 2019 8:11:31 GMT -6
Exactly brux. I'm imagining my hometown families in this situation and I can see so many spaghetti dinner fundraisers and 50/50 raffles. Nobody can bankroll anyone but everyone can give five dollars. It's a different world.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 8:13:08 GMT -6
Exactly brux . I'm imagining my hometown families in this situation and I can see so many spaghetti dinner fundraisers and 50/50 raffles. Nobody can bankroll anyone but everyone can give five dollars. It's a different world. Pancake feeds at the fire hall, soup suppers at the church.
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Post by mb3 on Mar 12, 2019 8:25:54 GMT -6
All this prompted me to look up their obituary again and I’m sure we talked about it at the time but I had forgotten how odd it was that it barely mentions Jayme. I get that it was a unique situation, it might not have been clear then that she wasn’t involved, but I just find it odd that they give details about their wedding, jobs and all it says about their daughter is that she survived them. Really? Most obits i've read are about the person's life and then at the end usally says something like "Jane was survived by her two daughters, Claire Jones and Betty Ross, her brother John Smith. The family requests that in lieu of flowers a donation can be made to yada yada charity." That's usually it. I don't ever see an obit as really including the other relatives except to mention they exist. I’m going to sound like a total creeper, but yes I actually do read obits. This one struck me as odd. Maybe we do obits strangely in OH and IL though. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by smilesp on Mar 12, 2019 8:30:03 GMT -6
mmmmmm... You're going along with your own life and own plans until one day, out of the blue, someone murders your sister and brother in law and kidnaps your niece. Then you find her and now you're the one in charge of raising her. Probably have a hard time selling your sister's home because two people were brutally murdered in it. No telling if they left any life insurance or money behind to raise her with... I know the optics are a little weird, but I also don't think it's the worst thing ever. This, plus the aunt and uncle have probably missed a ton of work. I’m assuming at least one or possibly both of them aren’t working indefinitely while they care for Jayme. If MH and I were in a situation like this, god forbid, and needed to take custody of our niece we would definitely need financial assistance.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -6
Really? Most obits i've read are about the person's life and then at the end usally says something like "Jane was survived by her two daughters, Claire Jones and Betty Ross, her brother John Smith. The family requests that in lieu of flowers a donation can be made to yada yada charity." That's usually it. I don't ever see an obit as really including the other relatives except to mention they exist. I’m going to sound like a total creeper, but yes I actually do read obits. This one struck me as odd. Maybe we do obits strangely in OH and IL though. 🤷🏻♀️ I just pulled some up from that area and they are no different. There is nothing abnormal about theirs. It wasn't mentioned because it's not odd in any way. Also keep in mind that they didn't know where Jayme was at that point. An obit is not a place to make a plea for her return or whatever you thought should have been there.
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Post by mb3 on Mar 12, 2019 9:20:08 GMT -6
I’m going to sound like a total creeper, but yes I actually do read obits. This one struck me as odd. Maybe we do obits strangely in OH and IL though. 🤷🏻♀️ I just pulled some up from that area and they are no different. There is nothing abnormal about theirs. It wasn't mentioned because it's not odd in any way. Also keep in mind that they didn't know where Jayme was at that point. An obit is not a place to make a plea for her return or whatever you thought should have been there. That’s why my first post specifically said that it must have been hard since they didn’t know what she might have been involved in....
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Post by mb3 on Mar 12, 2019 9:22:16 GMT -6
I just pulled some up from that area and they are no different. There is nothing abnormal about theirs. It wasn't mentioned because it's not odd in any way. Also keep in mind that they didn't know where Jayme was at that point. An obit is not a place to make a plea for her return or whatever you thought should have been there. That’s why my first post specifically said that it must have been hard since they didn’t know what she might have been involved in.... I get that you don’t find it odd. I’m allowed to find it odd that they can go into detail about their births, parents and wedding location and personal interests in sports and birds and that the only mention of their child is that she has survived them. I think we are permanently going to stay on opposite sides of this and that’s ok too.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 9:27:08 GMT -6
That’s why my first post specifically said that it must have been hard since they didn’t know what she might have been involved in.... I get that you don’t find it odd. I’m allowed to find it odd that they can go into detail about their births, parents and wedding location and personal interests in sports and birds and that the only mention of their child is that she has survived them. I think we are permanently going to stay on opposite sides of this and that’s ok too. That is normal. That is every obit ever. It is about THEM, not her. People are allowed to have an existence outside of their children and be known for things other than being half of the DNA contribution of someone else.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 9:35:13 GMT -6
Like what did you want them to say mb3? Conception details? Birth story? Family vacation tales where Jayme was there? Things they did with Jayme and nothing else? Should the picture in the obit have been one of Jayme too and not them? Her involvement or non involvement is completely irrelevant to an obituary. To an article- different story. What would have made this not weird to you? In my dad's obit- the kids were listed as survivors. Everything was about him and things he did. For my nephew who was a sudden unexpected death, his son is listed as a survivor. The rest are details about my nephew's life. Every listing I found in your area is the same. What exactly did you want them to put in there?
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 9:46:01 GMT -6
Guys. I’m not saying the aunt and uncle shouldn’t receive part of the donations. But that’s what the GFM they share with Jayme and all past fundraisers have expressly been for. I’m asking why do they need their own separate fundraiser? (For home renovations btw)
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 12, 2019 13:01:23 GMT -6
Like what did you want them to say mb3 ? Conception details? Birth story? Family vacation tales where Jayme was there? Things they did with Jayme and nothing else? Should the picture in the obit have been one of Jayme too and not them? Her involvement or non involvement is completely irrelevant to an obituary. To an article- different story. What would have made this not weird to you? In my dad's obit- the kids were listed as survivors. Everything was about him and things he did. For my nephew who was a sudden unexpected death, his son is listed as a survivor. The rest are details about my nephew's life. Every listing I found in your area is the same. What exactly did you want them to put in there? How quickly the board forgets that right after the murders took place, a good 50% or more of people also assumed that Jayme had some part in it. At the very least, assumed it was some internet love affair gone wrong. The other half of people assumed she was dead in the woods somewhere. I'd hazard a guess the split was similar in real life in that area. The only time I've seen an obit where it talks more about relationships with children are those ones that end up going viral because Mommy Dearest was possibly a sociopath and one of her kids decided to get even with her by mentioning how terrible she was and no one would miss her. And this seems like a good place to mention that my first and last names were misspelled in my dad's obit.
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Post by STP on Mar 12, 2019 13:14:28 GMT -6
I love my kids but damn would I be pissed if an ode to my life was about them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 13:28:54 GMT -6
Elizabeth Smart is speaking in Barron tonight.
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Post by rkgreen on Mar 19, 2019 9:06:46 GMT -6
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Post by brux on Mar 19, 2019 9:07:45 GMT -6
What a fucking creep.
“I love her,” the caller told Mayerle, claiming that Closs’ time in captivity was spent “watching TV, playing board games, talking about stuff” and cooking.
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Post by brux on Mar 19, 2019 9:09:30 GMT -6
I don't know, at this point I don't think Jake has a sophisticated plot to try to spin public favor his way in the hopes of some sort of sympathy or reduced sentence.
I think he's truly mentally immature. Like he thinks that maybe Jayme will wait for him on the outside and then they can ride off into the sunset together.
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Post by sheilathetank on Mar 19, 2019 9:09:47 GMT -6
Fuck him. Love isn't kidnapping a girl and holding her hostage after brutally murdering her parents. He's vile and I wish people would stop giving him a platform to speak from.
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Post by starbuck on Mar 19, 2019 9:24:40 GMT -6
I don't know, at this point I don't think Jake has a sophisticated plot to try to spin public favor his way in the hopes of some sort of sympathy or reduced sentence. I think he's truly mentally immature. Like he thinks that maybe Jayme will wait for him on the outside and then they can ride off into the sunset together. Everything that has happened since she escaped confirms for me that this was not a sophisticated crime and he is not a sophisticated criminal. He eluded capture by pure luck.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 19, 2019 11:53:50 GMT -6
I grew up in a small midwestern city and I think this may be cultural as well. I totally didn't give enough room for this explanation. These people (not MY people...but Midwestern people) have dollar dances at weddings. I WILL NOT HAVE THIS NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ASK ME TO
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Post by angelashly on Mar 19, 2019 11:54:44 GMT -6
Exactly brux . I'm imagining my hometown families in this situation and I can see so many spaghetti dinner fundraisers and 50/50 raffles. Nobody can bankroll anyone but everyone can give five dollars. It's a different world. Spaghetti dinners with silent auctions are always happening in my town
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Post by budders on Mar 19, 2019 13:45:06 GMT -6
I cannot imagine being Jayme, trying to recover from the horror of this entire ordeal, and to keep seeing these interviews with him popping up in the media. I understand the fascination with the case, and the media wanting to have the inside scoop, but I really wish that they would stop giving him a platform.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 19, 2019 13:46:15 GMT -6
I totally didn't give enough room for this explanation. These people (not MY people...but Midwestern people) have dollar dances at weddings. I WILL NOT HAVE THIS NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ASK ME TO People will dance with you and then give you money anyway "since you aren't having a dollar dance".
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 19, 2019 13:46:54 GMT -6
I cannot imagine being Jayme, trying to recover from the horror of this entire ordeal, and to keep seeing these interviews with him popping up in the media. I understand the fascination with the case, and the media wanting to have the inside scoop, but I really wish that they would stop giving him a platform. Yes. So much. Stopping giving him attention (to the media).
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Post by kmkd on Mar 19, 2019 14:10:41 GMT -6
I don't know, at this point I don't think Jake has a sophisticated plot to try to spin public favor his way in the hopes of some sort of sympathy or reduced sentence. I think he's truly mentally immature. Like he thinks that maybe Jayme will wait for him on the outside and then they can ride off into the sunset together. Totally agree. I get the same feeling.
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