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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 11:03:14 GMT -6
GP's expert witness is posting brain scans from years before the crash and after. His take is that there is no brain damage visible post crash that wasn't visible on the prior scan. And just the fact that he HAD a prior scan to compare to indicates that they were scanning for a reason.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:22:36 GMT -6
For me it's not even do I like her or like him. I have a hard time picturing him crashing into her from behind as she stated and her screaming before the hit and he having injuries to one side of his body. I have a hard time believing she felt they collided and that it was no biggie so she left when he had 4 broken ribs. I feel that she was whisked away due to her celebrity and probably was told don't worry about it and no one knew the extent of his injuries at that time since it appears he was yelled at by 2 people. No one called slope medics for him. For me it's the physics, could he have crashed into her from behind like she said and only have injuries to one side? I need a CSI reenactment. TS claimed he was yelled at by her kids ski instructor; the instructor denies that. GP left shortly after b/c the instructor took the lead to make sure TS was okay and yes, I'm sure that has a bunch to do w/ her being a celebrity. but can we all agree that we live in a world where celebs get perks? doesn't make it right, but it's not what she's on trial for. the ski patrol was there w/in ~15 minutes after it was reported. he fell on his side and she fell on top of him. that's when they're concluding he broke his ribs, not during the collision. he said he was okay. TS tried to sue the instructor for filing a false report before this but he was told he could not do that. Allegedly he also tried to sue for hit and run and not staying at the scene of an accident and again he was told he could not do that. So now we have this case: -So there is a contention between the instructor and TS - at this point I don't give great weight to either about the other because they have beef heart now. However, the witness for TS said the guy was rude and yelled at him and was asking all kinds of questions with TS not even answering then he left. This man said he had to try to help TS down the mountain and that he flagged people for help. I feel that is alot to lie about for me. -I am not zeroed in on her leaving the scene so I am not sure why "it's not what she's on trial for" is being said to me? Ok? -I did not see anyone say that his broken ribs were not from the collision but were from his falling after? And also to me all of that is part of the collision but ok. To your point if that was said, I do not believe that for one minute. It takes a lot to break a rib and it's very painful. It is often hard to breathe and he had 4 broken ribs. I do not believe for one minute that he ever said he was ok to that instructor. It is for this and his letting GP go that I feel he was more into her celebrity and HE handled the whole incident incorrectly. -neither TS or the guy knew who GP was on the hill. No one has said different.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 29, 2023 11:25:28 GMT -6
GP's expert witness is posting brain scans from years before the crash and after. His take is that there is no brain damage visible post crash that wasn't visible on the prior scan. And just the fact that he HAD a prior scan to compare to indicates that they were scanning for a reason. Ok but in this vain just like it was said above with the ribs he was 69. I’m not surprised there was a scan at sometime
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:26:23 GMT -6
McBenny I saw a jokey tiktok video a couple days ago, but it made the "him crashing from behind" scenario look possible. And then he crumpled onto his side and she fell on top of him, so it would explain his injuries on his side. Let me see if I can find it. He was also 69 at the time right? Which could also explain how he'd end up with broken ribs while she had no such injuries herself. You cannot just say things like this. This is a court case. You would have to show my medical records with bone scan that shows I have a more deficit bone mass. Not all older people do. Also I see a lot of bone scans of younger people who have the bone density of a much older person.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:30:41 GMT -6
Her hired attorney in this case is an acting agent on her behalf. So her lawyer and her are moving as one. So if her lawyer does something as a ploy no one has to specify whether it was her idea or the lawyer. It's that whole team. JFC.
And yes, attorneys do purposely put out tid bits of information for the media to pick up. Some do so directly or indirectly that is not new or "out of their control."
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:35:18 GMT -6
So do you guys think his witness is lying for him? Or do you think he genuinely thinks that's how it went down? I have a hard time with thinking someone would commit perjury for such a small claim case that he wouldn't even get anything out of. So that's making me pause a little bit I keep going back and forth on who is telling the truth but I am leaning more towards him for whatever reason. Which is why I said I'm glad I'm not on the jury 🤣 I do not think that one witness is lying for him. I find him credible for many reasons. Also neither of them knew it was GP prior or during whatever they did or said on that hill. Also allegedly other people in the group were kind of laughing about it after the fact that TS got plowed down by GP in group chat and such. Also the witness guy spoke on the instructor and spoke that he was the one that flagged down help. To me those would be big lies to tell. I just don't see it. I could be wrong though.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:37:10 GMT -6
So do you guys think his witness is lying for him? Or do you think he genuinely thinks that's how it went down? I have a hard time with thinking someone would commit perjury for such a small claim case that he wouldn't even get anything out of. So that's making me pause a little bit I keep going back and forth on who is telling the truth but I am leaning more towards him for whatever reason. Which is why I said I'm glad I'm not on the jury 🤣 And her witnesses are her kids who I don’t think would perjure themselves either. They have heard her say over and over her account so I’m not surprised they are similar to hers. Same as his witnesses. It’s why they should just go separately and no one win anything. It’s been 7 years how can people remember exactly what happened that day No one has mentioned her kids being right there. I think they may have come after the fact or like you said heard about it. I do not think they are lying. Just they were not mentioned by the instructor, the witness guy or TS as being there. TS was allegedly skiing in a group which is why I give more credibility to the other members even laughing about it afterwards. I feel that's normal human nature. JMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 11:37:49 GMT -6
GP's expert witness is posting brain scans from years before the crash and after. His take is that there is no brain damage visible post crash that wasn't visible on the prior scan. And just the fact that he HAD a prior scan to compare to indicates that they were scanning for a reason. Ok but in this vain just like it was said above with the ribs he was 69. I’m not surprised there was a scan at sometime I dunno. If you're the juror and have to make a decision, does this man have a brain injury stemming from this accident? A lot harder to say definitely yes, knowing that he went to the doctor because he suspected he had dementia, the scans showed he had beginning signs of dementia years before. And dementia can progress quickly and doesn't necessarily progress in a linear fashion. The descriptions his daughters gave about his change in mental state? All sound like the changes that my mom has had with dementia. It's a cruel disease, and I'm sure my whole family would love to have someone to blame. I just honestly think that without some kind of irrefutable evidence, which I don't think either party has, I don't see how anyone can answer the question as to who was at fault. Heck, I've seen "who's at fault videos" posted on IG, and even WITH the video, there's no consensus. If everyone always skied in straight lines down a mountain, it would be a lot easier. But people cross terrain to maintain speed, which is especially common in speed control areas, I can totally see how this falls into a gray zone.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:39:38 GMT -6
I do not agree with any of you that you would not remember after 7 years. You might not remember great details like time of day and or weather but you will damn sure remember being hit with force great enough to break 4 ribs.
I can tell you about each broken bone I have had with great detail. I can't tell you what clothes I had one. I can tell you how I was hit and how it hurt.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 11:45:11 GMT -6
GP's expert witness is posting brain scans from years before the crash and after. His take is that there is no brain damage visible post crash that wasn't visible on the prior scan. And just the fact that he HAD a prior scan to compare to indicates that they were scanning for a reason. I do not feel that's fair. Also if you are going to go into his medical records then it should be of great note that there was an acute change in his condition post the accident. Acute change is a substantial point. There are a multitude of reasons why someone of his age would be having brain scans is all I am saying. I have no seen the scans myself in this case but I do know how to read brain scans and it should not be hard to see if there was evidence of brain damage back then plain and simple is all I am saying. It doesn't have to be the mere present that there was a test.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 11:46:23 GMT -6
I can describe how I broke my foot 4 or 5 years ago. But also not exactly how it happened. My kids pushed past me, I stepped wrong, and heard a pop. I know I basically rolled my ankle towards the outside so that I stepped on the top of my foot rather than the botton of my foot. But that part was explained to me by the ER doctor based on the nature of the break. And I can't tell you if I had already walked through the doorway, if I was on the first step into the garage or on the floor of the garage. I CAN tell you exactly what I was wearing, down to the shoes.
Memories are weird.
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 29, 2023 11:48:10 GMT -6
So do you guys think his witness is lying for him? Or do you think he genuinely thinks that's how it went down? I have a hard time with thinking someone would commit perjury for such a small claim case that he wouldn't even get anything out of. So that's making me pause a little bit I keep going back and forth on who is telling the truth but I am leaning more towards him for whatever reason. Which is why I said I'm glad I'm not on the jury 🤣 I do not think that one witness is lying for him. I find him credible for many reasons. Also neither of them knew it was GP prior or during whatever they did or said on that hill. Also allegedly other people in the group were kind of laughing about it after the fact that TS got plowed down by GP in group chat and such. Also the witness guy spoke on the instructor and spoke that he was the one that flagged down help. To me those would be big lies to tell. I just don't see it. I could be wrong though. I've had similar thoughts I think thats why I'm leaning toward believing his side
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Post by angelashly on Mar 29, 2023 11:56:06 GMT -6
I do not agree with any of you that you would not remember after 7 years. You might not remember great details like time of day and or weather but you will damn sure remember being hit with force great enough to break 4 ribs. I can tell you about each broken bone I have had with great detail. I can't tell you what clothes I had one. I can tell you how I was hit and how it hurt. Oh I think he can remember I question the others. More so because of like I said with the kids they’ve probably heard their mom say her account many times so it could be merged with theirs too I don’t think any witnesses are lying
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Post by icedcoffee on Mar 29, 2023 12:02:51 GMT -6
To be clear I don't think her kids are lying, I didn't mean to imply that with my question if it came off that way.
I was just wondering about his since he was kind of away from the situation and not part of it. I assume the kids were near G /occupied by her and what was going on with her after they collided
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Post by Cher on Mar 29, 2023 12:04:06 GMT -6
A crazy thing my evidence professor told us is back in the day, before there was a fear about these things, Is he used to have a bunch of “armed gunmen” come into the classroom and hold the class hostage. Once they left, he would ask how many men were there? How many were armed? What did they look like? What were they wearing? Where did they go first? Etc. Every time, without fail, people would have completely different answers for the same question. They would all be absolutely sure of their answers. He did this to prove how much our memory fails us in those situations and how unreliable witness testimony is.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 29, 2023 12:07:40 GMT -6
To be clear I don't think her kids are lying, I didn't mean to imply that with my question if it came off that way. I was just wondering about his since he was kind of away from the situation and not part of it. I assume the kids were near G /occupied by her and what was going on with her after they collided Oh no I didn’t think that. I’m probably over explaining myself so I’m not read a way
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 12:12:44 GMT -6
To be clear I don't think her kids are lying, I didn't mean to imply that with my question if it came off that way. I was just wondering about his since he was kind of away from the situation and not part of it. I assume the kids were near G /occupied by her and what was going on with her after they collided I did not read your posts as though you were implying anyone was lying. Just an FYI
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 12:19:19 GMT -6
Daily fail has images of the brain scans posted.
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Post by elle on Mar 29, 2023 12:22:45 GMT -6
A crazy thing my evidence professor told us is back in the day, before there was a fear about these things, Is he used to have a bunch of “armed gunmen” come into the classroom and hold the class hostage. Once they left, he would ask how many men were there? How many were armed? What did they look like? What were they wearing? Where did they go first? Etc. Every time, without fail, people would have completely different answers for the same question. They would all be absolutely sure of their answers. He did this to prove how much our memory fails us in those situations and how unreliable witness testimony is. Exactly. I don't believe that any of the witnesses are lying, but it's not unreasonable to suspect that their interpretation of events isn't entirely accurate.
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Post by elle on Mar 29, 2023 12:23:40 GMT -6
Daily fail has images of the brain scans posted. Oh yikes, that feels like a lot even for them.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 29, 2023 12:29:43 GMT -6
Daily fail has images of the brain scans posted. Oh yikes, that feels like a lot even for them. They currently on trial for tapping phones nothing surprises me anymore
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 12:34:52 GMT -6
Daily fail has images of the brain scans posted. Oh yikes, that feels like a lot even for them. They didn’t acquire them illegally though… In this case. They’re part of the trial. CourtTV is also showing them.
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Post by bloom on Mar 29, 2023 13:17:38 GMT -6
TS claimed he was yelled at by her kids ski instructor; the instructor denies that. GP left shortly after b/c the instructor took the lead to make sure TS was okay and yes, I'm sure that has a bunch to do w/ her being a celebrity. but can we all agree that we live in a world where celebs get perks? doesn't make it right, but it's not what she's on trial for. the ski patrol was there w/in ~15 minutes after it was reported. he fell on his side and she fell on top of him. that's when they're concluding he broke his ribs, not during the collision. he said he was okay. TS tried to sue the instructor for filing a false report before this but he was told he could not do that. Allegedly he also tried to sue for hit and run and not staying at the scene of an accident and again he was told he could not do that. So now we have this case: -So there is a contention between the instructor and TS - at this point I don't give great weight to either about the other because they have beef heart now. However, the witness for TS said the guy was rude and yelled at him and was asking all kinds of questions with TS not even answering then he left. This man said he had to try to help TS down the mountain and that he flagged people for help. I feel that is alot to lie about for me. -I am not zeroed in on her leaving the scene so I am not sure why "it's not what she's on trial for" is being said to me? Ok? -I did not see anyone say that his broken ribs were not from the collision but were from his falling after? And also to me all of that is part of the collision but ok. To your point if that was said, I do not believe that for one minute. It takes a lot to break a rib and it's very painful. It is often hard to breathe and he had 4 broken ribs. I do not believe for one minute that he ever said he was ok to that instructor. It is for this and his letting GP go that I feel he was more into her celebrity and HE handled the whole incident incorrectly. -neither TS or the guy knew who GP was on the hill. No one has said different. the physics guy from yesterday was talking about how the broken ribs could've happened once they fell down not from the initial impact. check it out and report back what you think. TS's side doesn't claim to know that it was GP, but the ski patroller testified that Ramone said a few times on the hill that it was GP.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 29, 2023 13:29:10 GMT -6
TS tried to sue the instructor for filing a false report before this but he was told he could not do that. Allegedly he also tried to sue for hit and run and not staying at the scene of an accident and again he was told he could not do that. So now we have this case: -So there is a contention between the instructor and TS - at this point I don't give great weight to either about the other because they have beef heart now. However, the witness for TS said the guy was rude and yelled at him and was asking all kinds of questions with TS not even answering then he left. This man said he had to try to help TS down the mountain and that he flagged people for help. I feel that is alot to lie about for me. -I am not zeroed in on her leaving the scene so I am not sure why "it's not what she's on trial for" is being said to me? Ok? -I did not see anyone say that his broken ribs were not from the collision but were from his falling after? And also to me all of that is part of the collision but ok. To your point if that was said, I do not believe that for one minute. It takes a lot to break a rib and it's very painful. It is often hard to breathe and he had 4 broken ribs. I do not believe for one minute that he ever said he was ok to that instructor. It is for this and his letting GP go that I feel he was more into her celebrity and HE handled the whole incident incorrectly. -neither TS or the guy knew who GP was on the hill. No one has said different. the physics guy from yesterday was talking about how the broken ribs could've happened once they fell down not from the initial impact. check it out and report back what you think. TS's side doesn't claim to know that it was GP, but the ski patroller testified that Ramone said a few times on the hill that it was GP. Yes Ramone said another ski instructor not the orginal one told him. This was after TS was gone. For me, (and only me I know) it looks negative for their side to be arguing that the broken ribs did not happen from the impact but from him falling and her landing on him. For me - it's not about when he broke them (impact or fall after). I know what it takes to break a rib and how much it hurst so I do not believe that he said he was ok etc. So that makes me look at GP side again very not credible.
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Post by bloom on Mar 29, 2023 14:22:30 GMT -6
is anyone watching live? I'm laughing at the Queen of Denmark, 2.5 minute answer comment- relatable I think the defense should be very happy with this expert.
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Post by bloom on Mar 29, 2023 14:26:37 GMT -6
the physics guy from yesterday was talking about how the broken ribs could've happened once they fell down not from the initial impact. check it out and report back what you think. TS's side doesn't claim to know that it was GP, but the ski patroller testified that Ramone said a few times on the hill that it was GP. Yes Ramone said another ski instructor not the orginal one told him. This was after TS was gone. For me, (and only me I know) it looks negative for their side to be arguing that the broken ribs did not happen from the impact but from him falling and her landing on him. For me - it's not about when he broke them (impact or fall after). I know what it takes to break a rib and how much it hurst so I do not believe that he said he was ok etc. So that makes me look at GP side again very not credible. I thought she said Ramone said it while the patroller/emt was initially assessing TS. & I thought all three (patroller, Ramone, and TS) went down in the toboggan together. also, if the defense can prove that the ribs were broken on impact with the hill, then it lends itself that he was uphill from her. so that makes sense to me to push that narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 14:42:13 GMT -6
is anyone watching live? I'm laughing at the Queen of Denmark, 2.5 minute answer comment- relatable I think the defense should be very happy with this expert. I find I agree with this witness a lot.. I also get the heebie jeebies every time he coughs. Which is a lot.
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Post by Sweetjane on Mar 29, 2023 14:48:22 GMT -6
I don't find the brain scans to be any sort of evidence. Yes, there was a crash, yes his brain function may be deteriorating (I'm not a Dr), but the point is to decide who is at fault, right? How does that determine who is responsible?
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Post by bloom on Mar 29, 2023 15:02:49 GMT -6
I don't find the brain scans to be any sort of evidence. Yes, there was a crash, yes his brain function may be deteriorating (I'm not a Dr), but the point is to decide who is at fault, right? How does that determine who is responsible? b/c he's claiming that she is at fault and is the reason/to blame for his (permanent) brain damage that resulted from the collision. make sense?
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Post by angelashly on Mar 29, 2023 15:04:01 GMT -6
I don't find the brain scans to be any sort of evidence. Yes, there was a crash, yes his brain function may be deteriorating (I'm not a Dr), but the point is to decide who is at fault, right? How does that determine who is responsible? b/c he's claiming that she is at fault and is the reason/to blame for his (permanent) brain damage that resulted from the collision. make sense? Is he diagnosed with dementia? It can be both that he was getting older and that a fall caused an issues in a brain
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