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Post by willow on Feb 28, 2023 17:56:01 GMT -6
Agreed. He can suck, too, but still have a point. Also, I watched the Pamela Anderson Netflix documentary and it's sad how much she obviously still loves Tommy Lee. I get he's the father of their sons, but after how he treated her and the boys when they were babies? Damn... This isn’t that strange to me. Emotions around a former romantic partner that was abusive can be very complex and never all one thing or the other. Hence why it is incredibly difficult for victims to leave. I’m not saying you don’t know that, just adding to the conversation.
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Post by lucylou on Feb 28, 2023 18:33:32 GMT -6
Yeah I’m definitely not trying to argue that black men aren’t treated more harshly when it comes to crimes. But I can’t think of Chris without picturing those pictures of Rihanna and he’s got no one to blame but himself there. I do believe that had it been an A list white celebrity couple, those pics would have been everywhere too, as far as tabloids go. Again, I do realize that race plays a huge role in arrests, sentencing, etc.
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Post by lucylou on Feb 28, 2023 18:41:53 GMT -6
Yeah I’m definitely not trying to argue that black men aren’t treated more harshly when it comes to crimes. But I can’t think of Chris without picturing those pictures of Rihanna and he’s got no one to blame but himself there. I do believe that had it been an A list white celebrity couple, those pics would have been everywhere too, as far as tabloids go. Again, I do realize that race plays a huge role in arrests, sentencing, etc. Eta: and I don’t want to downplay that. It just strikes me a certain way coming from him of all people. I thought there was a pattern. Wasn’t his “did you hear about Chris Brown” moment because he was holding a date hostage at gunpoint? I apologize in advance if I’ve got that wrong.
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Post by Jesslfar on Feb 28, 2023 18:45:46 GMT -6
I know I’m posting in the middle of a more serious convo but I just saw Avril and Mod Sun broke up and Avril and Tyga are dating. Tyga dated Kylie whose sister is Kourtney, who is married to Travis Barker, who is friends with Mod Sun. Wonder if there’s any bad blood in there now lol Tyga is a guy?
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Post by Cher on Feb 28, 2023 18:50:14 GMT -6
January 31, 2023
The wife of this A/A- list actor buys breast milk from women so it looks like she is lactating when she isn't.
Hilaria Baldwin/Alec Baldwin
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Post by STP on Feb 28, 2023 19:09:27 GMT -6
January 31, 2023 The wife of this A/A- list actor buys breast milk from women so it looks like she is lactating when she isn't. Hilaria Baldwin/Alec Baldwin Omg
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Post by bazi on Feb 28, 2023 19:23:17 GMT -6
January 31, 2023 The wife of this A/A- list actor buys breast milk from women so it looks like she is lactating when she isn't. Hilaria Baldwin/Alec Baldwin Like…to feed to her baby or to spill on her shirt? What?
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Post by icedcoffee on Feb 28, 2023 19:42:03 GMT -6
Again I’ll bring up Nick Carter. He has had multiple rape allegations with violence one quite recently where the woman had special needs. He is still performing at his Vegas residency like nothing happened. I’ll give you Chris isn’t who should be the spokesperson but he isn’t wrong and that’s all I’m saying I will admit I've said in the past the BSB concert I went to a couple years ago and it was amazing. Then I started seeing all of the allegations against him and ugh. And Aaron has been trying to call out Nick for years and now he's dead 😕
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Feb 28, 2023 19:54:54 GMT -6
Agreed. He can suck, too, but still have a point. Also, I watched the Pamela Anderson Netflix documentary and it's sad how much she obviously still loves Tommy Lee. I get he's the father of their sons, but after how he treated her and the boys when they were babies? Damn... This isn’t that strange to me. Emotions around a former romantic partner that was abusive can be very complex and never all one thing or the other. Hence why it is incredibly difficult for victims to leave. I’m not saying you don’t know that, just adding to the conversation. I grew up with DV so I understand well the complexities there. Maybe I didn’t articulate it that well, but the “damn” wasn’t meant to indicate surprise or that I found it strange. Just that I felt such empathy for her, still viewing him as the love of her life, and that I am sad she hadn’t found lasting love, she deserves that so much, although I love the closeness she has with her sons.
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Post by thatgolfb on Feb 28, 2023 21:25:00 GMT -6
I said that knowing I have a good husband and really cool mutual guy friends and family. I know there are gems out there. But also most really do suck. Though we adore men individually ,we agree that as a group they're rather stupid. Even my H will sometimes send me things and say “why are men.” He gets it!
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Post by Yogurt on Feb 28, 2023 22:32:11 GMT -6
Hilaria really keeps the weirdness coming
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 7:01:55 GMT -6
Yeah I’m definitely not trying to argue that black men aren’t treated more harshly when it comes to crimes. But I can’t think of Chris without picturing those pictures of Rihanna and he’s got no one to blame but himself there. I do believe that had it been an A list white celebrity couple, those pics would have been everywhere too, as far as tabloids go. Again, I do realize that race plays a huge role in arrests, sentencing, etc. Yeah and I’m saying there have been reports of many violent episodes with white men where we don’t see pictures, but it’s fine I get it.
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Post by SweetPotato on Mar 1, 2023 8:00:28 GMT -6
I think like others have said it can be both. It is undeniable that black men are treated differently in these scenarios.
I also think the pictures made it everywhere was because they were “pictures of Rihanna beat to hell” which is different than “pictures of a girl Chris Brown beat up”
The star power of the victim was absolutely a factor.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 8:24:47 GMT -6
I think like others have said it can be both. It is undeniable that black men are treated differently in these scenarios. I also think the pictures made it everywhere was because they were “pictures of Rihanna beat to hell” which is different than “pictures of a girl Chris Brown beat up” The star power of the victim was absolutely a factor. I think my issue is that to me it is both but I would love 1 time for it to be yes racism is shit and exist and not a well yeah, BUT he isn’t the one to say it or I can’t listen to him because. I know that everyone here is in agreement that racism is still very prevalent in both the justice system and society so again im not saying anyone here is saying otherwise it’s just my thing
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2023 8:25:56 GMT -6
This isn’t that strange to me. Emotions around a former romantic partner that was abusive can be very complex and never all one thing or the other. Hence why it is incredibly difficult for victims to leave. I’m not saying you don’t know that, just adding to the conversation. I grew up with DV so I understand well the complexities there. Maybe I didn’t articulate it that well, but the “damn” wasn’t meant to indicate surprise or that I found it strange. Just that I felt such empathy for her, still viewing him as the love of her life, and that I am sad she hadn’t found lasting love, she deserves that so much, although I love the closeness she has with her sons. Oh yes, I know you know that, hence why I just said I was adding to the conversation, ha. It is really sad that after all that time, she hasn't found someone else that could be the better man for her. It is such a mindfuck reconciling multiple versions of a person when they treat you so terribly but also are not all one thing in your head/heart. Speaking for me, obviously. lol.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 8:26:46 GMT -6
And I hope I’m not coming off a way because I don’t mean that at all either I believe we are all good people
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Post by Cher on Mar 1, 2023 8:27:41 GMT -6
January 31, 2023
Do I think this dead permanent A list singer was molested and groomed as a child? Yes. Do I think her mom offered her up to a pastor for sex? No, but I do think the family of the alliterate singer doesn't care what they say as long as there is a check.
Whitney Houston/Bobby Brown
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2023 8:28:23 GMT -6
angelashly I get you, and I agree completely. I think this entire conversation is too simplified by focusing on the minutiae of the Chris Brown situation when it is a byproduct of a systemic issue within both society and celebrity news/gossip/etc itself.
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Post by normadix on Mar 1, 2023 8:34:53 GMT -6
I think like others have said it can be both. It is undeniable that black men are treated differently in these scenarios. I also think the pictures made it everywhere was because they were “pictures of Rihanna beat to hell” which is different than “pictures of a girl Chris Brown beat up” The star power of the victim was absolutely a factor. I think my issue is that to me it is both but I would love 1 time for it to be yes racism is shit and exist and not a well yeah, BUT he isn’t the one to say it or I can’t listen to him because. I know that everyone here is in agreement that racism is still very prevalent in both the justice system and society so again im not saying anyone here is saying otherwise it’s just my thing But it isn’t as cut and dry as that - yes there is racism at play BUT if Chris Brown is the one talking about it people will undoubtedly bring up his past. You can’t simply ignore it because he is making a point. And his situation did get more attention because of Rihanna and her star power.
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Post by Sweetjane on Mar 1, 2023 8:43:47 GMT -6
angelashly I get you, and I agree completely. I think this entire conversation is too simplified by focusing on the minutiae of the Chris Brown situation when it is a byproduct of a systemic issue within both society and celebrity news/gossip/etc itself. Yes. The Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard trials are another example with regard to celebrity/popularity and misogyny. That whole mess would make a good case study in the court of public opinion. It checks a ton of boxes: white, popularity, abuse photos, biases, pap walks and tabloids.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 9:11:05 GMT -6
I think my issue is that to me it is both but I would love 1 time for it to be yes racism is shit and exist and not a well yeah, BUT he isn’t the one to say it or I can’t listen to him because. I know that everyone here is in agreement that racism is still very prevalent in both the justice system and society so again im not saying anyone here is saying otherwise it’s just my thing But it isn’t as cut and dry as that - yes there is racism at play BUT if Chris Brown is the one talking about it people will undoubtedly bring up his past. You can’t simply ignore it because he is making a point. And his situation did get more attention because of Rihanna and her star power. Ok but my point is that we miss out on discussing the truth in what he said because it’s true by focusing on who said it. No one here said forget what he did it was be uncomfortable and think about why white celebrities aren’t held to a different standard. If it’s just because pictures were presented ask yourself why the white celebrity violence isn’t splashed across everything. Sure I do think the star power of the victim plays a part but not all of it
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Post by Cher on Mar 1, 2023 9:15:49 GMT -6
February 2, 2023
Once again, the wealthy farmer tried to downplay his ties to the dead billionaire pedophile. Once again, his ex contradicted him.
Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein/Melinda Gates
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 9:31:24 GMT -6
February 2, 2023 Once again, the wealthy farmer tried to downplay his ties to the dead billionaire pedophile. Once again, his ex contradicted him. Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein/Melinda Gates So many attached to him. I want a full list because damn
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Post by STP on Mar 1, 2023 9:37:08 GMT -6
But it isn’t as cut and dry as that - yes there is racism at play BUT if Chris Brown is the one talking about it people will undoubtedly bring up his past. You can’t simply ignore it because he is making a point. And his situation did get more attention because of Rihanna and her star power. Ok but my point is that we miss out on discussing the truth in what he said because it’s true by focusing on who said it. No one here said forget what he did it was be uncomfortable and think about why white celebrities aren’t held to a different standard. If it’s just because pictures were presented ask yourself why the white celebrity violence isn’t splashed across everything. Sure I do think the star power of the victim plays a part but not all of it But it does matter who said it. As it does with anything. If Marjorie Taylor Green wants to talk about brutality bc of political difference, she’s right. That happens. But it’s her. The speaker matters.
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Post by Cher on Mar 1, 2023 9:38:49 GMT -6
I think it’s fair to say Chris Brown isn’t the best person to be leading the discussion for a multitude of reasons.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 9:39:30 GMT -6
Ok but my point is that we miss out on discussing the truth in what he said because it’s true by focusing on who said it. No one here said forget what he did it was be uncomfortable and think about why white celebrities aren’t held to a different standard. If it’s just because pictures were presented ask yourself why the white celebrity violence isn’t splashed across everything. Sure I do think the star power of the victim plays a part but not all of it But it does matter who said it. As it does with anything. If Marjorie Taylor Green wants to talk about brutality bc of political difference, she’s right. That happens. But it’s her. The speaker matters. Got it
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Post by STP on Mar 1, 2023 9:49:36 GMT -6
But it does matter who said it. As it does with anything. If Marjorie Taylor Green wants to talk about brutality bc of political difference, she’s right. That happens. But it’s her. The speaker matters. Got it AA, you’re engaging in this conversation too. Why are you sniping at people for sharing their perspectives? It’s not personal.
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Post by angelashly on Mar 1, 2023 9:51:58 GMT -6
AA, you’re engaging in this conversation too. Why are you sniping at people for sharing their perspectives? It’s not personal. I’m not swiping I’m saying I got it. I’m not taking it personal I get what people are saying so I will stop having the conversation because it’s not a conversation to continue because it will just go round and round
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Post by SweetPotato on Mar 1, 2023 10:00:37 GMT -6
I think it’s fair to say Chris Brown isn’t the best person to be leading the discussion for a multitude of reasons. Yes and I’m pissed on Rihanna’s behalf that he’s making it about himself. She is the victim.
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2023 10:07:33 GMT -6
I agree that it can be both the fact that Chris Brown should not be the one making this a public conversation and also that he is 100% right in what he's saying. Which I hate to even type because I find him abhorrent as a human.
I think the deep seated and generational attitudes surrounding how domestic violence is treated in the public sphere are absolutely a problem worth discussing, and I hate that it is someone so problematic making the point but at least its getting people talking.
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