normadix
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Post by normadix on Feb 28, 2023 10:02:12 GMT -6
But he isn’t saying that. Most of the people who have canceled Chris brown are white people who listen to other artist who have done the same thing and watch movies with actors who do the same thing. He is asking for people to ask themselves why But is Chris Brown cancelled? He still makes music and has a career. Wasn’t he just nominated for a Grammy? His history with women (and I don’t think only Rihanna) will always be an asterisk next to his name and I do think it’s affected his career at the end of the day. I think he is still here because he simply refused to go away. Feels like he is creeping back to mainstream but I don’t think he has the career he would have had otherwise. Just my 2c.
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Post by willow on Feb 28, 2023 10:05:57 GMT -6
brux I can vouch that mnniceish is a real human since we discovered we went to HS together. I imagine she'd be a riot to go to a concert with! If I even was hip enough to know who Yung Gravy was, I'd attend. lol.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 28, 2023 10:11:04 GMT -6
Anyone want to go to the Minnesota State Fair *and* see Yung Gravy in concert with me? YUNG GRAVY with special guest bbno$ Wednesday, Aug. 30, 7 p.m. He's your mom's favorite rapper! My fftc is that i want to go to see bbno$ 😂 Eta and would obviously go with you if I'm magically in MN in August!
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:12:38 GMT -6
I think it’s also a little different for Chris Brown because people “know” and love Rihanna. Plus the photos everyone saw were terrible. If there were photos of these other guys’ victims, I was too young to remember. Eta: not trying to say Rihanna is more important than any of those other women; just that people have a harder time forgetting about it because she’s also a celebrity. But again why were those pictures shared so much compared to the white men’s victims? They weren’t all regular people. I’m sure some had to do with Rhianna being just as famous as Chris. I think some of it is that they were a couple of color
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:13:32 GMT -6
I think it’s also a little different for Chris Brown because people “know” and love Rihanna. Plus the photos everyone saw were terrible. If there were photos of these other guys’ victims, I was too young to remember. I think that is the point, though. A Black man beats his girlfriend and there are photos, news stories for ages, etc. White guys get away with it because the paps don't pay it the same attention. It is just a magnification of how the justice system also overwhelmingly punishes Black domestic violence abusers 100 times over vs white men. This doesn't excuse Black men from being abusive. But there has never been equal attention or justice. Or this as it was said much better
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:14:40 GMT -6
But he isn’t saying that. Most of the people who have canceled Chris brown are white people who listen to other artist who have done the same thing and watch movies with actors who do the same thing. He is asking for people to ask themselves why But is Chris Brown cancelled? He still makes music and has a career. Wasn’t he just nominated for a Grammy? Chris makes music but he was very much cancelled by the white fan group 100%. He was booed at said Grammys and not there so….
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:16:14 GMT -6
When Chris bear Rhianna he was at the top of his fame. Grammy’s. Performing at all the awards shows, tours etc. he is a quarter of the star he was then
I don’t even know if he wants people to forget but to forgive/move on like they have for others.
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:16:48 GMT -6
But is Chris Brown cancelled? He still makes music and has a career. Wasn’t he just nominated for a Grammy? He won the grammy, I believe. He did not which started a whole twitter thing he had to apologize for
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:19:43 GMT -6
But is Chris Brown cancelled? He still makes music and has a career. Wasn’t he just nominated for a Grammy? His history with women (and I don’t think only Rihanna) will always be an asterisk next to his name and I do think it’s affected his career at the end of the day. I think he is still here because he simply refused to go away. Feels like he is creeping back to mainstream but I don’t think he has the career he would have had otherwise. Just my 2c. This. He has never been proven to have been violent with other girlfriends but I do remember a photographer or pap or something and this continued pattern thing being brought up. Anything I read about him Rhianna is brought up. My sister is one who loved him and the minute all this came out she wouldn’t let her kids listen etc. yet she listens to Dr. Dre who is also a known woman beater
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Post by tatorhead328 on Feb 28, 2023 10:29:45 GMT -6
His history with women (and I don’t think only Rihanna) will always be an asterisk next to his name and I do think it’s affected his career at the end of the day. I think he is still here because he simply refused to go away. Feels like he is creeping back to mainstream but I don’t think he has the career he would have had otherwise. Just my 2c. This. He has never been proven to have been violent with other girlfriends but I do remember a photographer or pap or something and this continued pattern thing being brought up. Anything I read about him Rhianna is brought up. My sister is one who loved him and the minute all this came out she wouldn’t let her kids listen etc. yet she listens to Dr. Dre who is also a known woman beater I do understand this POV. Chris Brown and R Kelly have more of a reputation than white men who have done similar shit. (Like, how is Mark Wahlberg just out there being a movie star??) I would just rather everyone be punished equally than have any forgiveness for Chris Brown.
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Post by tatorhead328 on Feb 28, 2023 10:33:46 GMT -6
I've thought about this re: J K Rowling a lot too. There was a big movement to try and get people not to buy the new Hogwarts Legacy video game because of Rowling. Some attacking of the people who were streaming it on Twitch and stuff. I'm not sure how I feel about it all. We're consuming so much art by problematic people on a regular basis, it feels like it's impossible to filter it all. Like I don't want to support crappy people, but I'm also probably not skipping a song that comes on shuffle by someone who has done shitty things.
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:38:23 GMT -6
This. He has never been proven to have been violent with other girlfriends but I do remember a photographer or pap or something and this continued pattern thing being brought up. Anything I read about him Rhianna is brought up. My sister is one who loved him and the minute all this came out she wouldn’t let her kids listen etc. yet she listens to Dr. Dre who is also a known woman beater I do understand this POV. Chris Brown and R Kelly have more of a reputation than white men who have done similar shit. (Like, how is Mark Wahlberg just out there being a movie star??) I would just rather everyone be punished equally than have any forgiveness for Chris Brown. And I completely understand that. I’m not saying we forgive him or forget because I know I haven’t (although I do listen to him still I’m not perfect) but I do think we as a society and especially white people need to be aware that this is a real thing I believe everyone here gets it so I’m not talking to anyone here particularly
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 10:40:27 GMT -6
I've thought about this re: J K Rowling a lot too. There was a big movement to try and get people not to buy the new Hogwarts Legacy video game because of Rowling. Some attacking of the people who were streaming it on Twitch and stuff. I'm not sure how I feel about it all. We're consuming so much art by problematic people on a regular basis, it feels like it's impossible to filter it all. Like I don't want to support crappy people, but I'm also probably not skipping a song that comes on shuffle by someone who has done shitty things. I don’t pay money for anyone I find problematic but at the same time I then go but all the people on that song or show who weren’t terrible make money off it too and back and forth. I don’t know what the answer is to that honestly
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Post by Lord Disick on Feb 28, 2023 10:44:27 GMT -6
Those Baldwins sure are a wacky bunch.
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Post by tatorhead328 on Feb 28, 2023 10:47:50 GMT -6
The Hailey / Selena stuff has been all over my fyp too. I've watched Selena since her Wizards of Waverly Place days so I love her and side with her every time. I think they're both super messy though, and Selena is just better at working it to her advantage. This is also coming at a time when nepo babies are a big convo and people like that Selena is self-made vs Hailey's famous parents.
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Post by brux on Feb 28, 2023 10:49:17 GMT -6
Anyone want to go to the Minnesota State Fair *and* see Yung Gravy in concert with me? YUNG GRAVY with special guest bbno$ Wednesday, Aug. 30, 7 p.m. He's your mom's favorite rapper! Basically you are the MSP Peanut Butter to my STP Jelly. The second I saw that he was coming I asked two of my girlfriends if they would go with me. If they won't and you don't find anyone, let's link up. I'm dead ass serious. What's more exciting than the MN State Fair & Yung Gravy serenading two internet stranger moms- would be wild. I'm down!
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Post by brux on Feb 28, 2023 10:51:23 GMT -6
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Post by bazi on Feb 28, 2023 11:13:09 GMT -6
He’s been a known crazy asshole for awhile now.
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Post by mnniceish on Feb 28, 2023 11:13:43 GMT -6
brux I can vouch that mnniceish is a real human since we discovered we went to HS together. I imagine she'd be a riot to go to a concert with! If I even was hip enough to know who Yung Gravy was, I'd attend. lol. You have six whole months to get aquatinted! Let's do it!
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Post by brux on Feb 28, 2023 11:15:58 GMT -6
He’s been a known crazy asshole for awhile now. I had no clue. I've never read Dilbert, but I was reading up on the cartoonist this weekend and he's so gross.
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Feb 28, 2023 11:22:13 GMT -6
Speaking of Tom Sizemore, I'm never a huge fan of Chris Brown, but a couple weeks he went off on IG posting about all these white celebrities who beat women, but for whom that time in their life has moved way down the list of achievements and accomplishments and they're enjoying celebrity and popularity now without mention of the abusive past. Meanwhile, like the number one thing anyone knows about Chris Brown is that he beat Rihanna and he's not been given the same benefit of downplaying and glossing over history as all these white dudes. Like, Tommy Lee, Christian Slater, Charlie Sheen, etc etc etc "Where are the cancel culture with these white artist that date underage women, beat the fuck out their wives, giving bitches AIDS?" i did not know this about christian slater. my 80's heart might be crushed.
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Feb 28, 2023 11:23:26 GMT -6
Oh and he had sexual assault allegations too dude. wtf. asshole.
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Post by sweetpea on Feb 28, 2023 11:26:27 GMT -6
I keep seeing tweets about Pete Davidson and someone named Ice Spice. I'm so old/out of the celeb game that I thought it was meant to be a Spice Girl at first. Nope
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Post by RunsforWineandCarbs on Feb 28, 2023 11:27:49 GMT -6
I think it’s also a little different for Chris Brown because people “know” and love Rihanna. Plus the photos everyone saw were terrible. If there were photos of these other guys’ victims, I was too young to remember. Eta: not trying to say Rihanna is more important than any of those other women; just that people have a harder time forgetting about it because she’s also a celebrity. i was thinking maybe because the other guys mentioned, well the ones from the 80's and 90's, weren't shamed across the internet as it didn't exist back than. these things were kept quieter and were brushed under the rug. Not that that makes it ok. I am just trying to think why it would be different.
i also think it's because women are using their voices more with social media being around as well. women aren't standing for it now.
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Post by miawallace on Feb 28, 2023 11:46:27 GMT -6
I will not vouch for any man on this planet ever. Most suck so I’ll just keep my expectations low. I don’t trust any of their giant heads
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Post by angelashly on Feb 28, 2023 11:53:31 GMT -6
I will not vouch for any man on this planet ever. Most suck so I’ll just keep my expectations low. I don’t trust any of their giant heads This is probably the better way to be
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Post by miawallace on Feb 28, 2023 11:57:13 GMT -6
I will not vouch for any man on this planet ever. Most suck so I’ll just keep my expectations low. I don’t trust any of their giant heads This is probably the better way to be I said that knowing I have a good husband and really cool mutual guy friends and family. I know there are gems out there. But also most really do suck.
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Post by STP on Feb 28, 2023 12:12:17 GMT -6
This is probably the better way to be I said that knowing I have a good husband and really cool mutual guy friends and family. I know there are gems out there. But also most really do suck. Though we adore men individually ,we agree that as a group they're rather stupid.
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Post by downwarddog on Feb 28, 2023 12:20:07 GMT -6
I said that knowing I have a good husband and really cool mutual guy friends and family. I know there are gems out there. But also most really do suck. Though we adore men individually ,we agree that as a group they're rather stupid. Votes for Women!
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Post by joy on Feb 28, 2023 12:57:33 GMT -6
I said that knowing I have a good husband and really cool mutual guy friends and family. I know there are gems out there. But also most really do suck. Though we adore men individually ,we agree that as a group they're rather stupid. Sister Suffragette!
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