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Post by sifl on Jan 20, 2023 22:31:58 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that.
Ice fucking cold. 😳
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Post by addymac on Jan 20, 2023 22:40:41 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that. Ice fucking cold. 😳 Yeah that’s an asshole move. I was like JFC WILLIAM. what a dick.
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Post by claudia on Jan 21, 2023 8:20:55 GMT -6
I just got to the “broken printer” and wow.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 21, 2023 9:41:09 GMT -6
But also- why didn’t his school say hey here’s someone to talk to, kid? Like a school counselor or something? His “mothers” whatever weird ladies that bathed them- did they give him extra love and care or ? Just poor kid, surrounded by people and friends(!) who didn’t do jackshit for him. Like how he said Henners was the only friend who ever mentioned his mom after her death. Oh I have a feeling that it’s “just not the done thing” as Harry says, at Eton or any of the schools they attended.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 21, 2023 9:42:45 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that. Ice fucking cold. 😳 Will just comes off as a jealous prick, and I fully believe he is really that way.
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Post by claudia on Jan 21, 2023 11:36:42 GMT -6
The epilogue really puts Harry’s excitement over the hummingbird in the Netflix doc in a different light.
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Post by addymac on Jan 21, 2023 11:58:36 GMT -6
But also- why didn’t his school say hey here’s someone to talk to, kid? Like a school counselor or something? His “mothers” whatever weird ladies that bathed them- did they give him extra love and care or ? Just poor kid, surrounded by people and friends(!) who didn’t do jackshit for him. Like how he said Henners was the only friend who ever mentioned his mom after her death. Oh I have a feeling that it’s “just not the done thing” as Harry says, at Eton or any of the schools they attended. Oh I’m sure. It’s just devastating to realize that’s just how it is for these children.
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Post by addymac on Jan 21, 2023 11:59:07 GMT -6
The epilogue really puts Harry’s excitement over the hummingbird in the Netflix doc in a different light. I just went back to re-read that and you’re right.
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 21, 2023 12:00:08 GMT -6
The epilogue really puts Harry’s excitement over the hummingbird in the Netflix doc in a different light. I need to watch the documentary. Maybe I’ll do that over lunch the next couple weeks when my youngest is in preschool.
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Post by claudia on Jan 21, 2023 12:12:26 GMT -6
The epilogue really puts Harry’s excitement over the hummingbird in the Netflix doc in a different light. I need to watch the documentary. Maybe I’ll do that over lunch the next couple weeks when my youngest is in preschool. It’s a small scene in the documentary, but they have a hummingbird feeder and Harry is super excited and Archie keeps talking about his foot being dirty. 🤣
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Post by angelashly on Jan 21, 2023 14:07:43 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that. Ice fucking cold. 😳 Yes and yet the media jumped on harry saying Will’s looks that he got from Diana were fading which he didn’t actually say to him only and Harry was the jerk when really they both are
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Post by sifl on Jan 21, 2023 14:27:57 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that. Ice fucking cold. 😳 Yes and yet the media jumped on harry saying Will’s looks that he got from Diana were fading which he didn’t actually say to him only and Harry was the jerk when really they both are Yes both stories were cringe, but the media picked up one and not the other. I actually gasped at Will’s response to Harry, and couldn’t believe I hadn’t heard that story yet.
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Post by claudia on Jan 21, 2023 15:18:27 GMT -6
Willy and Harold were talking about their mum and W said he felt she was still around (in spirit), guiding them, and even guided him toward Kate. H said he felt the same about Meg, to which W scoffed and said whoa idk about that. Ice fucking cold. 😳 Yes and yet the media jumped on harry saying Will’s looks that he got from Diana were fading which he didn’t actually say to him only and Harry was the jerk when really they both are I don’t want to belabor the point, but I think it’s important to remember that the people taking these quotes out of context work for the people Harry called out by name in the book. He even talks about how he was shocked Elton John would agree to serialize his book- which is one thing Harry didn’t do.
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Post by sifl on Jan 21, 2023 21:31:48 GMT -6
So what did you guys think of the part when Will was using their secret code phrase to show he really meant it, saying he just wanted H to be happy, but H didn’t believe him? He sounds so tired narrating these last few chapters.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 21, 2023 23:29:02 GMT -6
So what did you guys think of the part when Will was using their secret code phrase to show he really meant it, saying he just wanted H to be happy, but H didn’t believe him? He sounds so tired narrating these last few chapters. From what he described of Will surrounding that time, with Will leaking stuff to the media, etc, I fully understood where Harry was coming from. I mean, no one is ever going to know if Will was bullshitting but himself, but I don’t blame Harry for not believing him.
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Post by claudia on Jan 22, 2023 8:31:55 GMT -6
So what did you guys think of the part when Will was using their secret code phrase to show he really meant it, saying he just wanted H to be happy, but H didn’t believe him? He sounds so tired narrating these last few chapters. I think Will could have thought he meant it but is so controlling that he meant “I want you to be happy and I’m the only one who knows what will make you happy.”
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Post by addymac on Jan 22, 2023 10:08:37 GMT -6
It was sad that their relationship deteriorated so much to the point that Haz didn’t even believe W when he used their code.
I don’t blame H for not believing W. Esp after everything. Like when W made the comment about how he thought H was being brainwashed? What a dick.
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Post by willow on Jan 22, 2023 11:48:33 GMT -6
So what did you guys think of the part when Will was using their secret code phrase to show he really meant it, saying he just wanted H to be happy, but H didn’t believe him? He sounds so tired narrating these last few chapters. From what he described of Will surrounding that time, with Will leaking stuff to the media, etc, I fully understood where Harry was coming from. I mean, no one is ever going to know if Will was bullshitting but himself, but I don’t blame Harry for not believing him. To me it seemed like Will meant it like “I want you to be happy but only if it suits how I expect you to live your life and not upset the apple cart.”
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Post by imapenguin on Jan 22, 2023 13:29:37 GMT -6
From what he described of Will surrounding that time, with Will leaking stuff to the media, etc, I fully understood where Harry was coming from. I mean, no one is ever going to know if Will was bullshitting but himself, but I don’t blame Harry for not believing him. To me it seemed like Will meant it like “I want you to be happy but only if it suits how I expect you to live your life and not upset the apple cart.” Yes, this is how I took it too. Will wants Harry to be happy on Will’s terms.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 7:45:31 GMT -6
So what did you guys think of the part when Will was using their secret code phrase to show he really meant it, saying he just wanted H to be happy, but H didn’t believe him? He sounds so tired narrating these last few chapters. I think Will could have thought he meant it but is so controlling that he meant “I want you to be happy and I’m the only one who knows what will make you happy.” This I think he does want Harry happy but with being the Spare in London doing the work Will wants. I do think deep down they love each other but just can’t reach each other. But I also get why Harry wouldn’t believe him
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 7:46:13 GMT -6
I see we all believe the same thing
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 23, 2023 7:58:39 GMT -6
I'm in the part with Harry's military service where he's learning to fly Apache helicopters. For all the talk that Harry is "not that bright" or an "idiot" etc., no one who learned and committed to memory all the training and tasks he did while in the military could be considered stupid (even with his occasional lapses in common sense). I also think if he had been allowed, he would have been quite content to continue to serve in the military.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 8:03:04 GMT -6
I'm in the part with Harry's military service where he's learning to fly Apache helicopters. For all the talk that Harry is "not that bright" or an "idiot" etc., no one who learned and committed to memory all the training and tasks he did while in the military could be considered stupid (even with his occasional lapses in common sense). I also think if he had been allowed, he would have been quite content to continue to serve in the military. I really hate that he couldn’t do it because you can tell just how important it was to him. How the Taliban kept finding his exact spot scares me
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Post by addymac on Jan 23, 2023 8:50:28 GMT -6
I'm in the part with Harry's military service where he's learning to fly Apache helicopters. For all the talk that Harry is "not that bright" or an "idiot" etc., no one who learned and committed to memory all the training and tasks he did while in the military could be considered stupid (even with his occasional lapses in common sense). I also think if he had been allowed, he would have been quite content to continue to serve in the military. Oh for sure. His love for the military, it’s people, and his work was very apparent. I wish he could have kept doing it because it’s what he loved. Pretty wild that his location kept being discovered. And despite the controversy it may stir up, I wasn’t that horrified when he mentioned his #. Maybe I was already jaded by the talk of it here, but it didn’t feel so out of place in the context of the story. And I know I said I kept falling asleep during the military parts, and that it was dragging on, but as I read part 3 I realized I much preferred the military section 😅
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 8:53:43 GMT -6
I'm in the part with Harry's military service where he's learning to fly Apache helicopters. For all the talk that Harry is "not that bright" or an "idiot" etc., no one who learned and committed to memory all the training and tasks he did while in the military could be considered stupid (even with his occasional lapses in common sense). I also think if he had been allowed, he would have been quite content to continue to serve in the military. Oh for sure. His love for the military, it’s people, and his work was very apparent. I wish he could have kept doing it because it’s what he loved. Pretty wild that his location kept being discovered. And despite the controversy it may stir up, I wasn’t that horrified when he mentioned his #. Maybe I was already jaded by the talk of it here, but it didn’t feel so out of place in the context of the story. And I know I said I kept falling asleep during the military parts, and that it was dragging on, but as I read part 3 I realized I much preferred the military section 😅 Especially since he explained why he knew it and why as pilots it was important. But I can see why people feel the way they do about it
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 23, 2023 11:04:08 GMT -6
This is what I originally posted in The Royals thread about Harry including his number.
"I don't know that he ever did disclose it before. I've been doing a lot of reflecting about him disclosing the number over the past several days, as I'm sure many of us are, and last night, I had a conversation with one of my closest friends (she's actually the mother of one of my nephews and was the fiance of my late brother) and this topic came up as she's been reading the book and has read the passages relative to his military service. One of her younger brothers is a Marine, who served in Afghanistan, and, without prompting, she shared that she has talked to him in recent days about Harry's revelations, including the count being specifically named.
Her brother indicated that othering the enemy, including referring to them as "chess pieces" is the experience of most soldiers, himself included, which tracks with much of what I've read about the experience of soldiers in every conflict in the history of ever, and mirrors the comments from my own grandfather and great-uncles, who all fought in WWII. He echoed Harry's comments as to that othering, that you cannot do what is part of your job to do unless you have that lens. As to the count, she said that he thought long and hard about it and while it isn't something he has said out loud, because he is not 100% sure of his count and mainly because that is part of distancing oneself by not choosing to deliberately think and consider how many lives were impacted by your actions, or at least in the constant forefront, of one's mind, even though again, it goes with the territory, he is not in disagreement. He said that, in a way, he can respect Harry for choosing to put this very controversial information in his book because he took the time to learn this information, to never forget it, when it might have been easier to not put it in such stark reality (I would say there's no "might have been" about that, given the reaction.) He also echoed that the silence and the shame and the stigma is often crippling, where he has had his own thoughts of suicide or self-harm, and was appreciative of Harry speaking out. Obviously, one marine's views are not a monolith for all views but that he is a veteran with six tours in Afghanistan makes his words hold much weight for me. "
I stand by what I originally said, though I can see why there are mixed emotions about it. I also don't see where his saying a number put a target on him and his family as a huge, blot-out-the-sun target was already on him from the second it was known he was going to join the military and be sent to the Middle East. I certainly cannot agree that he incited more of a response from the Taliban by stating this fact, when so much of what he wrote was already common knowledge since 2012.
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Post by sifl on Jan 23, 2023 12:16:17 GMT -6
As a civilian, the way he shared those details felt very reverent to me. It was heavy, and meant to be so. He’s right that a lot of us think of wars as rather abstract, and that info drove home just how serious it is, and that he took it seriously. I didn’t know he actually aimed at and shot people. You hear “helicopter pilot” and that brings to mind flying a helicopter, not shooting people. At least for me. Personally I had to take a breather after that chapter, and it made me think about people I know who have served and wonder how much I don’t know about their service.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 13:34:47 GMT -6
As a civilian, the way he shared those details felt very reverent to me. It was heavy, and meant to be so. He’s right that a lot of us think of wars as rather abstract, and that info drove home just how serious it is, and that he took it seriously. I didn’t know he actually aimed at and shot people. You hear “helicopter pilot” and that brings to mind flying a helicopter, not shooting people. At least for me. Personally I had to take a breather after that chapter, and it made me think about people I know who have served and wonder how much I don’t know about their service. I think the taking it seriously was the biggest part too because he was always seen as the dumb, troublemaker brother who only wanted to have a good time and he wanted to show that you can be both serious and fun
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Post by beatch on Jan 23, 2023 15:02:32 GMT -6
It was sad that their relationship deteriorated so much to the point that Haz didn’t even believe W when he used their code. I don’t blame H for not believing W. Esp after everything. Like when W made the comment about how he thought H was being brainwashed? What a dick. Honestly that part made me gasp a bit. I didn't think people really swore on graves. Like I never would with my brother's, it's just...not a thing for me. On the other hand I empathized with the fact that they only spoke about their grief in losing their mother briefly and in bits. That has been my experience as well. Still very tough to discuss 12 years out.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 23, 2023 15:12:02 GMT -6
It was sad that their relationship deteriorated so much to the point that Haz didn’t even believe W when he used their code. I don’t blame H for not believing W. Esp after everything. Like when W made the comment about how he thought H was being brainwashed? What a dick. Honestly that part made me gasp a bit. I didn't think people really swore on graves. Like I never would with my brother's, it's just...not a thing for me. On the other hand I empathized with the fact that they only spoke about their grief in losing their mother briefly and in bits. That has been my experience as well. Still very tough to discuss 12 years out. I can see them having this because of all the untrustworthy people around them.
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