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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 8:52:18 GMT -6
Let’s talk here so we can go back to fun talk in the royal thread
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 8:53:30 GMT -6
Royal twitter are losing their minds about this book.
Apparently he trashed Kate and Camilla, his dad was a loving father to both boys equally, and he trashed his teachers and how dare he
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 19, 2023 9:08:21 GMT -6
I’m on chapter 67 in part 2, the start of Invictus and his 30th birthday.
I enjoyed his military chapters so far. It sounds (to me) that that was where he truly found his purpose. Not as the spare or the lowest of the pecking order, where he could just be Harry/Spike and I’m so angry that they took those patronages away from him and haven’t allowed him the honors of wearing his uniforms.
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 19, 2023 9:09:05 GMT -6
So far, I don’t think he’s necessarily trashed Camilla, but he definitely doesn’t seem to think too highly of her. Kate has been spoken of lovingly.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 19, 2023 9:11:48 GMT -6
I cannot take royalists/monarchists seriously. Approving the perpetuation of a ruling class in 2023? For people who literally have done nothing but have the right DNA?
I'm only about 25% through the book as life keeps getting in the way, but enjoying it thus far.
Camilla is a racist and has trashed herself. Countless times. But her sharing private moments with Will and Harry, respectively, two teens who had no choice in the matter and were forced to meet the woman who was responsible for so much of their mother's pain, is gross. And her supporters can miss me with the comments that Camilla didn't go to the press directly. Because duh. She told someone who told someone who told the press but the buck stops with her. She shouldn't have said anything, period. She had zero respect for Diana, she could have at least had some respect for the boys. But then again, they were just collateral damage after all.
And trashing his teachers? His one teacher was an ass for singling him out in class.
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Post by katespade on Jan 19, 2023 9:18:10 GMT -6
I’ve only finished part one (and started part 2) but for sure what’s standing out to me is that folks who thought Camilla was a garbage person weren’t wrong. She is absolutely a garbage person.
Willy: also a garbage person
I think Charles just comes off as someone who doesn’t know how to show love. It’s almost like a person raised in a cult- he doesn’t know how to function in any other way but the cult way 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 19, 2023 9:26:32 GMT -6
And I'm sick of hearing the excusing of Charles' parenting because Mummy and Pa-Pa didn't show much affection. That's like saying parents who were hit as kids are excused for hitting their kids. Break the cycle - whatever it is.
Anne was raised by the same parents (which is to say not at all as the nannies did more of the heavy lifting - Andrew and Edward, who came later, got more hands-on time with QEII and Philip), yet she seems very loving with her children, Peter and Zara. Apparently, she's on grandma detail every Sunday with the grandkids. And Charles being the heir making it harder for him to show affectionate is BS.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 9:32:38 GMT -6
So far, I don’t think he’s necessarily trashed Camilla, but he definitely doesn’t seem to think too highly of her. Kate has been spoken of lovingly. Yes I feel he told the truth about Camilla and I’m glad he did
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 9:35:15 GMT -6
I will say that Harry is still a child. I was pissed he used all of the gas in Meghan’s room while she was delivering Archie.
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Post by katespade on Jan 19, 2023 9:35:44 GMT -6
And I'm sick of hearing the excusing of Charles' parenting because Mummy and Pa-Pa didn't show much affection. That's like saying parents who were hit as kids are excused from hitting their kids. Break the cycle - whatever it is. Anne was raised by the same parents (which is to say not at all as the nannies did more of the heavy lifting - Andrew and Edward, who came later, got more hands-on time with QEII and Philip), yet she seems very loving with her children, Peter and Zara. Apparently, she's on grandma detail every Sunday with the grandkids. And Charles being the heir making it harder for him to show affectionate is BS. I don’t even think that charles would be a more loving parent if QEII and Phil were better. I think there’s just some people who are awkward and weird and I absolutely can see him being that way. I think the monarchy just made it worse if that makes sense.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 9:38:13 GMT -6
I also think that Harry has sainted Diana. I know that is what happens when you lose a parent young and especially sudden.
Not saying she wasn’t a great mother but I think he has her at the top of a pedestal
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 19, 2023 9:44:27 GMT -6
Absolutely Harry has Diana on a pedestal. I think it's for a number of reasons. General lionization of the dead. Diana dying so young and him so young that he was unaware of a lot of her shortcomings unlike Will. A part of him being perpetually frozen at that age of twelve, when she died, which is very, very common for those who suffer trauma as a child. Him seeing her like she was the parent who was very hands-on and openly affectionate. His need to protect her, her legacy and all.
I think it would be healthier for Harry and actually fairer to Diana to have him see her as she was, not a saint nor a sinner but a little bit of both at times, a wonderfully loving, compassionate woman who led with her heart when sometimes, she should have led with her head. Who was capable of helping others in pain but yet hurt others, including Will, by treating him like a confidante instead of her child.
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 19, 2023 9:49:03 GMT -6
The teacher Harold called out definitely seemed like an ass, but I was surprised he named him
He's put Diana on a pedestal, Cam is self serving trash, and I do think he likes Kate
I wonder how much crossover there is online between the lovers of Cam&Chuck and W&K with Q nuts/conspiracy believers
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 19, 2023 9:50:07 GMT -6
I still haven't finished either. I didn't get super far, but I've probably seen just about everything covered elsewhere. I just can't get into reading, I don't think it's specific to this book though. I've been in a book slump for a while. I just can't focus
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 10:07:43 GMT -6
The teacher Harold called out definitely seemed like an ass, but I was surprised he named him He's put Diana on a pedestal, Cam is self serving trash, and I do think he likes Kate I wonder how much crossover there is online between the lovers of Cam&Chuck and W&K with Q nuts/conspiracy believers They are also talking about the one teacher in a wheelchair and him mentioning it took him a while to get in the van and how insensitive it was to put that in there. Which I get but also it’s a memoir and was a part of the story
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Post by willow on Jan 19, 2023 10:09:42 GMT -6
I also think that Harry has sainted Diana. I know that is what happens when you lose a parent young and especially sudden. Not saying she wasn’t a great mother but I think he has her at the top of a pedestal I think part of that is because she was the parent that showed him true love and affection. And then he got no way to process his grief for almost 2 decades.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 10:25:13 GMT -6
I also think that Harry has sainted Diana. I know that is what happens when you lose a parent young and especially sudden. Not saying she wasn’t a great mother but I think he has her at the top of a pedestal I think part of that is because she was the parent that showed him true love and affection. And then he got no way to process his grief for almost 2 decades. I can for sure see it. I know my dad had his things but I was a daddy’s girl all the way so I’m sure that I’ve done the same thing when it comes to him
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 10:26:31 GMT -6
I did have to laugh that Harry took all the women to Botswana.
Again I get it he was off the grid there etc but damn Harry.
Also I loved how they said ok Botswana has done enough for you not it’s time to give back
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 10:51:01 GMT -6
So often I see the question of why Meghan etc.
I think she was the first one to call him on his shit. Maybe I’m wrong and chelsy and Cressida did but it didn’t seem that way.
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 19, 2023 12:17:34 GMT -6
So often I see the question of why Meghan etc. I think she was the first one to call him on his shit. Maybe I’m wrong and chelsy and Cressida did but it didn’t seem that way. Stiff upper lip and all that The reason H probably loves Meghan is one of the same reasons The Firm hate her. Too emotional (for the BRF), a little more relatable to people. Diana seemed to have those qualities too
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 12:19:32 GMT -6
So often I see the question of why Meghan etc. I think she was the first one to call him on his shit. Maybe I’m wrong and chelsy and Cressida did but it didn’t seem that way. Stiff upper lip and all that The reason H probably loves Meghan is one of the same reasons The Firm hate her. Too emotional (for the BRF), a little more relatable to people. Diana seemed to have those qualities too The fact that Harry told her after the first tour that she did to good was telling
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Post by ggirl on Jan 19, 2023 12:20:24 GMT -6
So often I see the question of why Meghan etc. I think she was the first one to call him on his shit. Maybe I’m wrong and chelsy and Cressida did but it didn’t seem that way. I haven’t read the book and as we know I’m won’t. But I’m going to guess his other girlfriends may not have known any better or thought it would be any different. You don’t know what you don’t know.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 12:23:36 GMT -6
So often I see the question of why Meghan etc. I think she was the first one to call him on his shit. Maybe I’m wrong and chelsy and Cressida did but it didn’t seem that way. I haven’t read the book and as we know I’m won’t. But I’m going to guess his other girlfriends may not have known any better or thought it would be any different. You don’t know what you don’t know. Like didn’t know the family? Chelsy was a part of his life for a long time and he states will and Kate very much liked her so I took it to be that she was on par with them
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Post by ggirl on Jan 19, 2023 12:25:55 GMT -6
I haven’t read the book and as we know I’m won’t. But I’m going to guess his other girlfriends may not have known any better or thought it would be any different. You don’t know what you don’t know. Like didn’t know the family? Chelsy was a part of his life for a long time and he states will and Kate very much liked her so I took it to be that she was on par with them I mean they didn’t know it could be different I guess? Or expected it to be that way and thought “that’s just how things are”
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Post by leahcar on Jan 19, 2023 12:28:43 GMT -6
I finished over the weekend.
He is absolutely putting Diana on an untouchable pedestal. She was a human, not a saint. I can appreciate that it's hard for him to see that though.
I was pleasantly surprised at his feelings towards Kate. I think he did an excellent dance of pointing fingers at Camilla without full-blown trashing her.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -6
I finished over the weekend. He is absolutely putting Diana on an untouchable pedestal. She was a human, not a saint. I can appreciate that it's hard for him to see that though. I was pleasantly surprised at his feelings towards Kate. I think he did an excellent dance of pointing fingers at Camilla without full-blown trashing her. Yes to all this
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Post by junch817 on Jan 19, 2023 12:57:38 GMT -6
I’m reading this now. I wish I knew more about the backstory and everything involving Diana. There’s so much you all know about that I don’t because I haven’t really paid attention to anything royal until Kate was in the picture, and even then, I still didn’t follow more than glancing at their pictures on the magazines in the checkout lol. I need a Cliffs Note on the whole royal family , starting when Diana entered the picture.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 19, 2023 13:06:11 GMT -6
I will say that Harry is still a child. I was pissed he used all of the gas in Meghan’s room while she was delivering Archie. Wait what
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 13:15:43 GMT -6
I will say that Harry is still a child. I was pissed he used all of the gas in Meghan’s room while she was delivering Archie. Wait what Yep She was a week late so she went in and they told her it was time to induce. They had laughing gas in her room and he was using it. When it came time for her to need it the nurse had to go get more. They all laughed about it. I did not laugh
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 19, 2023 13:17:32 GMT -6
Perfect timing since I just finished the book, thank you for pointing me here angelashly! I am also watching the doc and am 4 eps in, I think. I have a lot of sympathy for them. It’s just wild what they went through. Will seems like a jealous dick, as does Charles.
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