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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 17:24:52 GMT -6
I mean, we weren’t there, but we’re reading a book written by someone who was. He’s describing bitchy behavior. While acknowledging that could be his perspective, I don’t think we are out of line for assuming Kate was being a bitch. And if his account of a month later is reasonably accurate, she was still being bitchy then. I’m not going to justify it by saying hormones because according to Will, that’s rude and isn’t done. The further I get in the book, the more I dislike Camilla and Will. Never really liked any of them, but Will’s whole “it’s not fair you get to keep your beard when I can’t” and telling Harry for years before he met Meghan that maybe he’d never meet anyone and he just needed to learn to be okay with that…. I can’t imagine saying that to a friend expressing hope they would meet someone soon, let alone a sibling. He clearly wanted to be the only one with a wife and kids. The fact that Harry had to not get drunk at his stag party because Will planned to shave off his beard. Foul
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Post by frlcb on Jan 19, 2023 17:25:19 GMT -6
Yep She was a week late so she went in and they told her it was time to induce. They had laughing gas in her room and he was using it. When it came time for her to need it the nurse had to go get more. They all laughed about it. I did not laugh Major yikes. How would that not be a misuse of prescription drugs or something? Would people have laughed it off if he used a narcotic prescribed to his wife? My sister had her kids in the UK (military) and got to use nitrous oxide and highly recommended it Everyone gets it in the UK when you have a baby, it isn't prescription per se. Also, I had it with my son in London and it was absolutely the worst freaking thing ever and made me vomit and I hated it and refused it after a few puffs on it and they were mad at me that I didn't want anymore.
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Post by frlcb on Jan 19, 2023 17:26:45 GMT -6
I mean, I personally know plenty of people who have taken bumps of nitrous when it wasn’t strictly for them. It’s not like he took her fentanyl. They needed to get more for her though? That made me read it as more than a bump or two If it is like what I had it is not a huge supply all at once
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Post by Eagles on Jan 19, 2023 19:21:07 GMT -6
Yep She was a week late so she went in and they told her it was time to induce. They had laughing gas in her room and he was using it. When it came time for her to need it the nurse had to go get more. They all laughed about it. I did not laugh What the fuck is wrong with him.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 19, 2023 19:34:57 GMT -6
The bridesmaids dress thing is a mummified horse at this point. Tensions were high, Kate was a snot, she apologized with flowers and a note within 24 hours, and I don't understand why it's still being litigated on gossip sites almost 5 years later.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 19, 2023 19:53:23 GMT -6
The bridesmaids dress thing is a mummified horse at this point. Tensions were high, Kate was a snot, she apologized with flowers and a note within 24 hours, and I don't understand why it's still being litigated on gossip sites almost 5 years later. We didn’t know the “full story” until now I guess. The story got brought back up during the 10 day funeral and started to trend on twitter that Meghan bullied toddler Charlotte and made her cry. It’s not lost on me that it was leaked right at that time
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 19, 2023 20:07:43 GMT -6
The full BTS is very new with the release of the book and I hadn’t heard anything about any wedding drama until the brief mention during the Oprah interview and the bigger splash during the Philip funeral coverage in 2021 (agreed, angelashly that the latter timing was no coincidence).
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 19, 2023 20:36:59 GMT -6
I think weddings are stressful. I think having your child in a wedding is really stressful. I think having your child in a wedding when you are literally still lactating and bleeding from giving birth would be extremely stressful. And I think doing all that on the world stage would be almost impossible. Being a royal apologist is silly. I just don't know WHY Kate having a human moment - maybe a totally cunty one! The horror - is the story. The story is how the palace spun it, not that she was maybe - understandably in my mind - like this is your wedding, you fix it, my tit has a newborn attached and I need a new pair of mesh panties at this moment, and I really don't need tabloid stories about how I let my daughter in public in a dress that doesn't fit bc you know it will be my fault. I have never been a Kate fan and this group makes me cape for her, and it's weird for me. I can only go per the book because I know nothing else of what happened that day, but the way Meghan tells it, she had a tailor on stand by that Kate had access to. IDK I see your point, but as the person getting married and also dealing with the issues with her father days before the wedding, I kind of see the point of having Kate figure it out. They have nannies, too; why couldn’t one of them have taken them? Rhetorical question. Also that was just about the worst thing he said about Kate in the book, so I don’t think he slammed her at all. He mostly said positive things about her.
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Post by bazi on Jan 19, 2023 20:55:15 GMT -6
My three yr old would absolutely have cried over her dress not fitting. She would have done it at two as well. She's a fashionista and always has been. So I don't see the need to doubt that part. I’m super late but this was 100% my DD as well. Three is peak “if one tiny component of my ensemble is not to my liking, I will burn it down” for my offspring.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 19, 2023 22:51:31 GMT -6
So I’m finally at the part where Harry wears the Nazi costume, which was and is absolutely inexcusable.
I see no hint of him deflecting ownership or blame to Will and Kate for encouraging him to wear it as has been suggested on some SM posts. Only that he phoned them and they agreed the Nazi costume vs a pilot costume would better fit the “cringy” as he calls it (at the least) “colonials and natives” party.
Him feeling he deserved to be engulfed in the firestorm that quite rightfully erupted. Him thinking he might die of the shame, that the shame would never fade, nor should it.
His meeting with the chief rabbi of Britain who unequivocally condemned his actions, which Harry agreed must be done. His “bottomless self-loathing.”
I appreciate that he shared these details and owned his idiocy and worked to try to atone, which he is still doing by sharing it in his book and the docuseries and not shying away from this shameful part of his history.
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Post by sifl on Jan 19, 2023 23:26:51 GMT -6
So I’m finally at the part where Harry wears the Nazi costume, which was and is absolutely inexcusable. I see no hint of him deflecting ownership or blame to Will and Kate for encouraging him to wear it as has been suggested on some SM posts. Only that he phoned them and they agreed the Nazi costume vs a pilot costume would better fit the “cringy” as he calls it (at the least) “colonials and natives” party. Him feeling he deserved to be engulfed in the firestorm that quite rightfully erupted. Him thinking he might die of the shame, that the shame would never fade, nor should it. His meeting with the chief rabbi of Britain who unequivocally condemned his actions, which Harry agreed must be done. His “bottomless self-loathing.” I appreciate that he shared these details and owned his idiocy and worked to try to atone, which he is still doing by sharing it in his book and the docuseries and not shying away from this shameful part of his history. That’s how it came off to me, too. He took full ownership for “not thinking” and making a huge mistake. He only describes calling W&K because they invited him to the party - again, it’s the excruciating detail that some people are complaining about but that’s throughout the book, that’s the approach he decided to take. To twist it into a narrative that he was blaming W&K is disingenuous at best.
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Post by claudia on Jan 20, 2023 6:04:59 GMT -6
So I’m finally at the part where Harry wears the Nazi costume, which was and is absolutely inexcusable. I see no hint of him deflecting ownership or blame to Will and Kate for encouraging him to wear it as has been suggested on some SM posts. Only that he phoned them and they agreed the Nazi costume vs a pilot costume would better fit the “cringy” as he calls it (at the least) “colonials and natives” party. Him feeling he deserved to be engulfed in the firestorm that quite rightfully erupted. Him thinking he might die of the shame, that the shame would never fade, nor should it. His meeting with the chief rabbi of Britain who unequivocally condemned his actions, which Harry agreed must be done. His “bottomless self-loathing.” I appreciate that he shared these details and owned his idiocy and worked to try to atone, which he is still doing by sharing it in his book and the docuseries and not shying away from this shameful part of his history. Yes, the media definitely twisted that excerpt as well to fit a narrative they were forming with the book. Also, because the book dropped easy in Spain, I was reading how reporters were quickly trying to get it translated for these sensational stories when all they had were people texting them pages in isolation, and then using google translate, and then writing the story. I do think a few of the first excerpts widely reported on lost some meaning from this approach- idioms that didn’t translate well, etc. Basically the journalists were more concerned with being the first to report a juicy tidbit so they didn’t take the time to use a real translation approach.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 8:02:56 GMT -6
Just dropping this here because I’m tired of hearing about he should have been quiet
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 20, 2023 8:12:29 GMT -6
I know the Daily Fail is a joke and trashy tabloid but my goodness, the misogyny! www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11636007/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-Shes-usually-grafted-Harrys-side.htmlSarah Vine, the author, is truly terrible: No, the real question in my mind is this: where was Meghan?I don’t mean in terms of the book – after all, her fingerprints are all over that. I mean physically, where is she?We haven’t seen hide nor hair of her for days. Which, really, is most uncharacteristic.Normally she never leaves Harry’s side. Normally she’s practically surgically grafted on to him, hanging off him like an extra appendage.It’s most unlike Meghan to miss an opportunity to show the world her fabulousness.You’d have thought she would have been front and centre of events, with her couture outfits and twinkling jewels, on hand to squeeze his as he sat through various interviews.Here, she sounds truly unhinged: I really hope there’s a good explanation, as otherwise her absence is slightly worrying. Because it would be awful, wouldn’t it, if, having abandoned his home, trashed his entire family, burnt his bridges with the Army and let down the British public, Prince Harry found that he was no longer at the centre of her world?
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Post by STP on Jan 20, 2023 8:15:53 GMT -6
I think weddings are stressful. I think having your child in a wedding is really stressful. I think having your child in a wedding when you are literally still lactating and bleeding from giving birth would be extremely stressful. And I think doing all that on the world stage would be almost impossible. Being a royal apologist is silly. I just don't know WHY Kate having a human moment - maybe a totally cunty one! The horror - is the story. The story is how the palace spun it, not that she was maybe - understandably in my mind - like this is your wedding, you fix it, my tit has a newborn attached and I need a new pair of mesh panties at this moment, and I really don't need tabloid stories about how I let my daughter in public in a dress that doesn't fit bc you know it will be my fault. I have never been a Kate fan and this group makes me cape for her, and it's weird for me. I can only go per the book because I know nothing else of what happened that day, but the way Meghan tells it, she had a tailor on stand by that Kate had access to. IDK I see your point, but as the person getting married and also dealing with the issues with her father days before the wedding, I kind of see the point of having Kate figure it out. They have nannies, too; why couldn’t one of them have taken them? Rhetorical question. Also that was just about the worst thing he said about Kate in the book, so I don’t think he slammed her at all. He mostly said positive things about her. Oh I know he didn't slam her. He never has. I just don't get why that's kind of the fixation in this conversation. Here, I mean here on this forum.
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 20, 2023 8:16:02 GMT -6
I want to know who the Wasp & Bee are and just
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Post by STP on Jan 20, 2023 8:16:51 GMT -6
Yep She was a week late so she went in and they told her it was time to induce. They had laughing gas in her room and he was using it. When it came time for her to need it the nurse had to go get more. They all laughed about it. I did not laugh What the fuck is wrong with him. Yeah, to me it's not even about how much he took or whatever. That's just...immature. I'd kill him.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 8:23:53 GMT -6
The look on Harry’s face at the end. Was this the interview he talked about in the book?
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 8:24:44 GMT -6
I know the Daily Fail is a joke and trashy tabloid but my goodness, the misogyny! www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11636007/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-Shes-usually-grafted-Harrys-side.htmlSarah Vine, the author, is truly terrible: No, the real question in my mind is this: where was Meghan?I don’t mean in terms of the book – after all, her fingerprints are all over that. I mean physically, where is she?We haven’t seen hide nor hair of her for days. Which, really, is most uncharacteristic.Normally she never leaves Harry’s side. Normally she’s practically surgically grafted on to him, hanging off him like an extra appendage.It’s most unlike Meghan to miss an opportunity to show the world her fabulousness.You’d have thought she would have been front and centre of events, with her couture outfits and twinkling jewels, on hand to squeeze his as he sat through various interviews.Here, she sounds truly unhinged: I really hope there’s a good explanation, as otherwise her absence is slightly worrying. Because it would be awful, wouldn’t it, if, having abandoned his home, trashed his entire family, burnt his bridges with the Army and let down the British public, Prince Harry found that he was no longer at the centre of her world?I’m laughing because how many times has Harry popped into HER work
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 20, 2023 8:26:59 GMT -6
I know the Daily Fail is a joke and trashy tabloid but my goodness, the misogyny! www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11636007/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-Shes-usually-grafted-Harrys-side.htmlSarah Vine, the author, is truly terrible: No, the real question in my mind is this: where was Meghan?I don’t mean in terms of the book – after all, her fingerprints are all over that. I mean physically, where is she?We haven’t seen hide nor hair of her for days. Which, really, is most uncharacteristic.Normally she never leaves Harry’s side. Normally she’s practically surgically grafted on to him, hanging off him like an extra appendage.It’s most unlike Meghan to miss an opportunity to show the world her fabulousness.You’d have thought she would have been front and centre of events, with her couture outfits and twinkling jewels, on hand to squeeze his as he sat through various interviews.Here, she sounds truly unhinged: I really hope there’s a good explanation, as otherwise her absence is slightly worrying. Because it would be awful, wouldn’t it, if, having abandoned his home, trashed his entire family, burnt his bridges with the Army and let down the British public, Prince Harry found that he was no longer at the centre of her world?I’m laughing because how many times has Harry popped into HER work
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Post by tinyjoys on Jan 20, 2023 8:32:51 GMT -6
I just finished. That last hour and a half was rough.
I am curious if there was some Alzheimers or dementia going on with the queen towards the end and that's why the Wasp & Bee were so present. More like handlers at that point than advisors.
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Post by claudia on Jan 20, 2023 8:50:49 GMT -6
Meghan shows up to promote the book: “she can’t let him have his own thing ever! She’s the worst.”
Meghan doesn’t show up to promote the book: “where is she?!”
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 8:51:44 GMT -6
Meghan shows up to promote the book: “she can’t let him have his own thing ever! She’s the worst.” Meghan doesn’t show up to promote the book: “where is she?!” Yeeeeeep
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Post by STP on Jan 20, 2023 8:52:40 GMT -6
Meghan shows up to promote the book: “she can’t let him have his own thing ever! She’s the worst.” Meghan doesn’t show up to promote the book: “where is she?!” Women will never ever win ever. Meanwhile, he bombs her work thing and she has to laugh and act like "oh so cute and silly" bc can you IMAGINE.
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 20, 2023 8:56:15 GMT -6
I know the Daily Fail is a joke and trashy tabloid but my goodness, the misogyny! www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11636007/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-Shes-usually-grafted-Harrys-side.htmlSarah Vine, the author, is truly terrible: No, the real question in my mind is this: where was Meghan?I don’t mean in terms of the book – after all, her fingerprints are all over that. I mean physically, where is she?We haven’t seen hide nor hair of her for days. Which, really, is most uncharacteristic.Normally she never leaves Harry’s side. Normally she’s practically surgically grafted on to him, hanging off him like an extra appendage.It’s most unlike Meghan to miss an opportunity to show the world her fabulousness.You’d have thought she would have been front and centre of events, with her couture outfits and twinkling jewels, on hand to squeeze his as he sat through various interviews.Here, she sounds truly unhinged: I really hope there’s a good explanation, as otherwise her absence is slightly worrying. Because it would be awful, wouldn’t it, if, having abandoned his home, trashed his entire family, burnt his bridges with the Army and let down the British public, Prince Harry found that he was no longer at the centre of her world?Remember when nobody saw her for months and they couldn't stop writing about her? This is why I have sympathy for them. All the privilege and money in the world doesn't stop all the emotional trauma that comes from the family and media issues. Sure they might have the money to access good therapy, but the emotional trauma still exists. The people out there trashing them and lying about them still exist. And sometimes it's their own family
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 20, 2023 8:58:41 GMT -6
So Angela Levin, friend of Camilla, and another known racist (who tweeted "look how white Meghan's skin is!"), is tweeting about her new biography of the Queen Consort. Um, it's been out for how long now? But LOL that she's trying to make it sound brand-new to try to compete with Spare. As if.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 20, 2023 9:00:08 GMT -6
I know the Daily Fail is a joke and trashy tabloid but my goodness, the misogyny! www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11636007/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-Shes-usually-grafted-Harrys-side.htmlSarah Vine, the author, is truly terrible: No, the real question in my mind is this: where was Meghan?I don’t mean in terms of the book – after all, her fingerprints are all over that. I mean physically, where is she?We haven’t seen hide nor hair of her for days. Which, really, is most uncharacteristic.Normally she never leaves Harry’s side. Normally she’s practically surgically grafted on to him, hanging off him like an extra appendage.It’s most unlike Meghan to miss an opportunity to show the world her fabulousness.You’d have thought she would have been front and centre of events, with her couture outfits and twinkling jewels, on hand to squeeze his as he sat through various interviews.Here, she sounds truly unhinged: I really hope there’s a good explanation, as otherwise her absence is slightly worrying. Because it would be awful, wouldn’t it, if, having abandoned his home, trashed his entire family, burnt his bridges with the Army and let down the British public, Prince Harry found that he was no longer at the centre of her world?Remember when nobody saw her for months and they couldn't stop writing about her? This is why I have sympathy for them. All the privilege and money in the world doesn't stop all the emotional trauma that comes from the family and media issues. Sure they might have the money to access good therapy, but the emotional trauma still exists. The people out there trashing them and lying about them still exist. And sometimes it's their own family Yep. They were practically radio silent for 250 days after the Oprah interview, but there were still thousands of articles published about them, mostly about her.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 9:13:04 GMT -6
I can only go per the book because I know nothing else of what happened that day, but the way Meghan tells it, she had a tailor on stand by that Kate had access to. IDK I see your point, but as the person getting married and also dealing with the issues with her father days before the wedding, I kind of see the point of having Kate figure it out. They have nannies, too; why couldn’t one of them have taken them? Rhetorical question. Also that was just about the worst thing he said about Kate in the book, so I don’t think he slammed her at all. He mostly said positive things about her. Oh I know he didn't slam her. He never has. I just don't get why that's kind of the fixation in this conversation. Here, I mean here on this forum. For me it’s because when Kate has a human moment and acts bitchy it’s considered hormonal/post partum etc. when Meghan has a human moment and is bitchy while stressed it’s she is a bitch or a bully. So yes this is also part of the problem not just how the palace spins it Im not saying that is what you are doing but yes that is the sentiment from a lot of people. To me Kate gets a pass on a lot of shit sometimes here and a lot on social media so the one time it’s talked about that she isn’t this perfect princess everyone wants her to be instead of 🤷♀️ shit happens it’s an excuse. For me at least And again you and I don’t fight so I’m not fighting with you
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Post by willow on Jan 20, 2023 9:22:36 GMT -6
I want to know who the Wasp & Bee are and just The moment when they bald faced lie to the Queen in front of Harry.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 20, 2023 9:25:52 GMT -6
And I know it’s going to be said that we give Meghan passes and benefits of the doubt, but when it comes to this wedding story I’ve very much been on the side of both women had stress and were probably not nice to each other.
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