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Post by maybe on Jan 24, 2023 12:37:19 GMT -6
I really enjoyed this book and appreciated all of the details and reflection on matters big and small. Is anyone else kind of hating Kate after reading this? Her freaking out over a bridesmaid dress and putting Charlotte’s tears on Meghan seemed so over the top and entitled. The whole hormones thing was also so super overblown, especially if it was in the context of Meghan telling her not to be hard on herself. I think Kate is just an immature and bratty human being. William was raised to be a dick. I don’t get her at all.
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Post by addymac on Jan 24, 2023 12:57:00 GMT -6
Ooh maybe careful. Some people Stan Kate’s behavior over the dresses. Lol Personally, I don’t get it. I’m 4mo PP, so the hormones and sleep and BFing nightmare is very fresh in my life. And if I tried on my kiddos wedding outfit and it was a mess, and I texted the bride that it didn’t fit right and she said she has a tailor on standby, my answer would not have been NO THEY HAVE TO BE REDONE. my answer would be “ok great I’ll send her and the dress with the nanny over this afternoon. Less stress for me. Thank you and now time to change my mesh panties. Bye bye” But I guess there are people in the world that would want to have to deal with more work? Idk. I don’t get it.
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 14:20:31 GMT -6
addymac , I'd love for you to go ahead and point out where anyone said Kate behaved wonderfully, she's blameless in all of this. Absolutely zero people on this forum "stanned Kate's behavior over the dress." Saying "maybe it's dumb for this to keep being the conversation and wasn't really that big of a deal" is not being a stan. Neither is suggesting that maybe two people were at fault, and both women were wrong to some degree. Maybe postpartum is different for every woman, gasp. The need for echo chamber in here is exhausting. lol indeed.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 24, 2023 15:11:57 GMT -6
addymac , I'd love for you to go ahead and point out where anyone said Kate behaved wonderfully, she's blameless in all of this. Absolutely zero people on this forum "stanned Kate's behavior over the dress." Saying "maybe it's dumb for this to keep being the conversation and wasn't really that big of a deal" is not being a stan. Neither is suggesting that maybe two people were at fault, and both women were wrong to some degree. Maybe postpartum is different for every woman, gasp. The need for echo chamber in here is exhausting. lol indeed. I mean, the fact that the tailor said that they had to work for like 40 hours in 3 days to fix all of the dresses tells me that they did, in fact, need to be redone. I can fix a broken bustle in 15 minutes.
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Post by addymac on Jan 24, 2023 15:46:36 GMT -6
addymac , I'd love for you to go ahead and point out where anyone said Kate behaved wonderfully, she's blameless in all of this. Absolutely zero people on this forum "stanned Kate's behavior over the dress." Saying "maybe it's dumb for this to keep being the conversation and wasn't really that big of a deal" is not being a stan. Neither is suggesting that maybe two people were at fault, and both women were wrong to some degree. Maybe postpartum is different for every woman, gasp. The need for echo chamber in here is exhausting. lol indeed. Neat.
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 15:59:03 GMT -6
addymac , I'd love for you to go ahead and point out where anyone said Kate behaved wonderfully, she's blameless in all of this. Absolutely zero people on this forum "stanned Kate's behavior over the dress." Saying "maybe it's dumb for this to keep being the conversation and wasn't really that big of a deal" is not being a stan. Neither is suggesting that maybe two people were at fault, and both women were wrong to some degree. Maybe postpartum is different for every woman, gasp. The need for echo chamber in here is exhausting. lol indeed. Neat. Back at you. What a shitty thing to say and bizarre way to misrepresent people.
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 16:02:28 GMT -6
addymac , I'd love for you to go ahead and point out where anyone said Kate behaved wonderfully, she's blameless in all of this. Absolutely zero people on this forum "stanned Kate's behavior over the dress." Saying "maybe it's dumb for this to keep being the conversation and wasn't really that big of a deal" is not being a stan. Neither is suggesting that maybe two people were at fault, and both women were wrong to some degree. Maybe postpartum is different for every woman, gasp. The need for echo chamber in here is exhausting. lol indeed. I mean, the fact that the tailor said that they had to work for like 40 hours in 3 days to fix all of the dresses tells me that they did, in fact, need to be redone. I can fix a broken bustle in 15 minutes. And as always, wasn't there and couldn't say. I found that comment nasty AF. "careful" my ass.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 24, 2023 16:25:53 GMT -6
Ooh maybe careful. Some people Stan Kate’s behavior over the dresses. Lol Personally, I don’t get it. I’m 4mo PP, so the hormones and sleep and BFing nightmare is very fresh in my life. And if I tried on my kiddos wedding outfit and it was a mess, and I texted the bride that it didn’t fit right and she said she has a tailor on standby, my answer would not have been NO THEY HAVE TO BE REDONE. my answer would be “ok great I’ll send her and the dress with the nanny over this afternoon. Less stress for me. Thank you and now time to change my mesh panties. Bye bye” But I guess there are people in the world that would want to have to deal with more work? Idk. I don’t get it. This is a little harsh. I wouldn’t say they Stan her actions I didn’t like our back and forth on the subject I think some excusing of actions happened but I wouldn’t say Stan Plus I will say pp is different for everyone. I was good the first couple months but months 4-6 were ROUGH All this being said I think we have to all agree to disagree on things
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Post by addymac on Jan 24, 2023 16:30:34 GMT -6
Back at you. What a shitty thing to say and bizarre way to misrepresent people. I didn’t say you said that. I didn’t say anything shitty or say you praised the ground Kate walked on. My gosh. I didn’t even mention you at all. Goodness. For the record, the Stanning comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I could not tell you which poster was on whose side for the dress fight. I remember there were posters who were pretty adamant that being PP gave Kate a pass and others that said eh. I’m offering my opinion on how being PP my reaction would have been different. To make conversation. I’m not saying Kate is a monster and Meg is blameless. JTTW.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 24, 2023 17:26:40 GMT -6
Tensions running high around weddings are why I have a side job. Day of coordination is all about defusing and problem solving and hair patting. Bless it, it pays the bills.
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Post by sifl on Jan 24, 2023 17:41:39 GMT -6
Ooh maybe careful. Some people Stan Kate’s behavior over the dresses. Lol Personally, I don’t get it. I’m 4mo PP, so the hormones and sleep and BFing nightmare is very fresh in my life. And if I tried on my kiddos wedding outfit and it was a mess, and I texted the bride that it didn’t fit right and she said she has a tailor on standby, my answer would not have been NO THEY HAVE TO BE REDONE. my answer would be “ok great I’ll send her and the dress with the nanny over this afternoon. Less stress for me. Thank you and now time to change my mesh panties. Bye bye” But I guess there are people in the world that would want to have to deal with more work? Idk. I don’t get it. This is a little harsh. I wouldn’t say they Stan her actions I didn’t like our back and forth on the subject I think some excusing of actions happened but I wouldn’t say Stan Plus I will say pp is different for everyone. I was good the first couple months but months 4-6 were ROUGH All this being said I think we have to all agree to disagree on things I thought there was a LOT of projection on both sides of that convo, although it definitely favored postpartum Kate. I mean people can go back and read if they want. It’s not that serious and I highly doubt addymac meant it sound “harsh”.
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Post by sifl on Jan 24, 2023 17:44:56 GMT -6
I really enjoyed this book and appreciated all of the details and reflection on matters big and small. Is anyone else kind of hating Kate after reading this? Her freaking out over a bridesmaid dress and putting Charlotte’s tears on Meghan seemed so over the top and entitled. The whole hormones thing was also so super overblown, especially if it was in the context of Meghan telling her not to be hard on herself. I think Kate is just an immature and bratty human being. William was raised to be a dick. I don’t get her at all. She comes off like.. yeah kind of bratty? Maybe spoiled, and sensitive (which I can relate to, to be fair). I believe the rumors that she iced out Meg at some point. She seemed to try to be friendly in the beginning maybe, but if Will was in her ear all the time, and he REALLY seemed to dislike Meg, I can see where she took a turn somewhere.
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Post by sifl on Jan 24, 2023 17:45:38 GMT -6
And I definitely think Will’s dislike comes from jealousy.
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Post by icedcoffee on Jan 24, 2023 17:54:58 GMT -6
My opinion that no one asked for-- I find the Kate vs Meghan argument tired and that's part of my annoyance with the dress stuff. They both were wrong in some ways and both were right in some ways. But I'm tired of hearing their fights. Why does it constantly have to be about pinning those two against each other?
Did Harry put that in the book to clear up the confusion about the situation or is he actually upset and think Kate was wrong?
I guess for me personally and why I was reading this thread is I want to hear shit about the others. How Camilla sucks and Will sucks and Charles sucks and even Elizabeth. I'm just tired of Kate vs Meghan.
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Post by claudia on Jan 24, 2023 17:58:44 GMT -6
My opinion that no one asked for-- I find the Kate vs Meghan argument tired and that's part of my annoyance with the dress stuff. They both were wrong in some ways and both were right in some ways. But I'm tired of hearing their fights. Why does it constantly have to be about pinning those two against each other? Did Harry put that in the book to clear up the confusion about the situation or is he actually upset and think Kate was wrong? I guess for me personally and why I was reading this thread is I want to hear shit about the others. How Camilla sucks and Will sucks and Charles sucks and even Elizabeth. I'm just tired of Kate vs Meghan. Both- probably less Kate than the whole family. He said it wasn’t the media; it was the family didn’t care enough about them to stop leaking and correct the record. He also seemed pretty annoyed with how Kate handled it and he implied William and Kate told Camilla and Charles so it would be leaked, but then once it was leaked inaccurately, wanted the good press for Kate.
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Post by icedcoffee on Jan 24, 2023 18:02:27 GMT -6
My opinion that no one asked for-- I find the Kate vs Meghan argument tired and that's part of my annoyance with the dress stuff. They both were wrong in some ways and both were right in some ways. But I'm tired of hearing their fights. Why does it constantly have to be about pinning those two against each other? Did Harry put that in the book to clear up the confusion about the situation or is he actually upset and think Kate was wrong? I guess for me personally and why I was reading this thread is I want to hear shit about the others. How Camilla sucks and Will sucks and Charles sucks and even Elizabeth. I'm just tired of Kate vs Meghan. Both- probably less Kate than the whole family. He said it wasn’t the media; it was the family didn’t care enough about them to stop leaking and correct the record. He also seemed pretty annoyed with how Kate handled it and he implied William and Kate told Camilla and Charles so it would be leaked, but then once it was leaked inaccurately, wanted the good press for Kate. Okay that makes sense. I definitely understand that aspect. So in a sense it didn't really matter who was actually in the wrong or right, it was that Kate was made to be the saint in the press and he felt betrayed once again by that
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 18:09:18 GMT -6
Back at you. What a shitty thing to say and bizarre way to misrepresent people. I didn’t say you said that. I didn’t say anything shitty or say you praised the ground Kate walked on. My gosh. I didn’t even mention you at all. Goodness. For the record, the Stanning comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I could not tell you which poster was on whose side for the dress fight. I remember there were posters who were pretty adamant that being PP gave Kate a pass and others that said eh. I’m offering my opinion on how being PP my reaction would have been different. To make conversation. I’m not saying Kate is a monster and Meg is blameless. JTTW. This is bullshit and you're perfectly aware of that. I never said it was directed at me and me alone.
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Post by icedcoffee on Jan 24, 2023 18:11:06 GMT -6
(So can I finally use this saying?)
Basically, it's not about the pasta.
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 18:12:34 GMT -6
Both- probably less Kate than the whole family. He said it wasn’t the media; it was the family didn’t care enough about them to stop leaking and correct the record. He also seemed pretty annoyed with how Kate handled it and he implied William and Kate told Camilla and Charles so it would be leaked, but then once it was leaked inaccurately, wanted the good press for Kate. Okay that makes sense. I definitely understand that aspect. So in a sense it didn't really matter who was actually in the wrong or right, it was that Kate was made to be the saint in the press and he felt betrayed once again by that That is all any of the "stans" have said and yet somehow it goes back to "but Kate was probably a dick though" and it's like...omfg. Those are machinations of Charles and Will. And Harry keeps it going. The women are not the issue in this one.
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Post by claudia on Jan 24, 2023 18:18:56 GMT -6
Both- probably less Kate than the whole family. He said it wasn’t the media; it was the family didn’t care enough about them to stop leaking and correct the record. He also seemed pretty annoyed with how Kate handled it and he implied William and Kate told Camilla and Charles so it would be leaked, but then once it was leaked inaccurately, wanted the good press for Kate. Okay that makes sense. I definitely understand that aspect. So in a sense it didn't really matter who was actually in the wrong or right, it was that Kate was made to be the saint in the press and he felt betrayed once again by that And not just that Kate was made to be a saint but when Kate said she realized she was in the wrong and Harry said “then why can’t you release a statement saying Meghan didn’t make you cry” Kate wouldn’t. Like Kate realized she acted badly to the point where she apologized the next day and months later after the leak said in one of their talks to clear the air that she knew she was at fault, but when asked to do something to make it right, she (and by extension William) were basically like “lol no.” Like there was a way where they didn’t need to release a story that made either look bad- they could have just issued a denial of the story. But it didn’t fit into the narrative the palace was exploiting of “Duchess Difficult.”
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Post by Eagles on Jan 24, 2023 19:28:26 GMT -6
Okay that makes sense. I definitely understand that aspect. So in a sense it didn't really matter who was actually in the wrong or right, it was that Kate was made to be the saint in the press and he felt betrayed once again by that That is all any of the "stans" have said and yet somehow it goes back to "but Kate was probably a dick though" and it's like...omfg. Those are machinations of Charles and Will. And Harry keeps it going. The women are not the issue in this one. I have surrendered and am now leaning into being confused John Travolta.
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Post by STP on Jan 24, 2023 19:47:27 GMT -6
That is all any of the "stans" have said and yet somehow it goes back to "but Kate was probably a dick though" and it's like...omfg. Those are machinations of Charles and Will. And Harry keeps it going. The women are not the issue in this one. I have surrendered and am now leaning into being confused John Travolta. The likes are funny though 😂
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Post by sifl on Jan 24, 2023 20:26:46 GMT -6
H didn’t go in very hard on Kate IMO. In fact I thought the way he presented the Duchess Difficult story is that it was more Will stepping and saying, we can’t risk bad press about the future Queen, so we’re not going to correct it. The real villains in H’s narrative were the paps, the press, the high-ranking palace guys (the Wasp, the Bee, and the Fly) with a side of Camilla. He even gives a lot of understanding to Charles and Will, I thought. Like oh when they’re in “heir mode” they can be unreasonable, and Willy can get a temper, and Pa is distant. But ultimately he still loves them because they’re his family, so he tempers his frustration toward them in the stories, I thought. The palace guys, and the press, and paps, he’s all in on the insults. Camilla I thought he walked a fine line, like he didn’t insult her but he also plainly said what she did (planting stories in the press). I thought he treated Kate fairly neutral in retelling the Fab Four stories.
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Post by 4speedy on Jan 24, 2023 21:18:05 GMT -6
As a civilian, the way he shared those details felt very reverent to me. It was heavy, and meant to be so. He’s right that a lot of us think of wars as rather abstract, and that info drove home just how serious it is, and that he took it seriously. I didn’t know he actually aimed at and shot people. You hear “helicopter pilot” and that brings to mind flying a helicopter, not shooting people. At least for me. Personally I had to take a breather after that chapter, and it made me think about people I know who have served and wonder how much I don’t know about their service. I think the taking it seriously was the biggest part too because he was always seen as the dumb, troublemaker brother who only wanted to have a good time and he wanted to show that you can be both serious and fun I thought there were quite a few parts where it seemed like he felt like the dumb kid. People seemed to really be selling him short as a kid and he seemed to buy into it for a long time. He comes across as anything BUT dumb. Too bad his self-worth seemed to take such a hit because of it. Seems his military higher ups and his friends in Botswana were the only people to value him for the better part of his life.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 25, 2023 6:38:09 GMT -6
Yes the problem is that it was ok to push a black woman as a diva and bully and difficult and whatever for the good of Kate the white woman.
Yes there was a lot of Kate was probably a bitch but she had a baby, was wearing mesh panties, breast feeding, has 3 kids instead of just Kate acted like a bitch.
I hate pitting woman against woman I do but Kate had the opportunities to fix it and she didn’t. All the talk about Will being in her ear or Will making these decisions just once again seems to me as a way to excuse Kate. Honestly I know Harry is fond of her but the fact that he does seems again as a man thing to do that the woman just can’t help it she follows the men around her like he does with the Queen
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Post by Bluebird on Jan 25, 2023 7:18:13 GMT -6
I’m in Part 3, and I just love hearing about them falling in love. It’s especially lovely in an audiobook because you can just hear it in his voice so much. 🥰
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Post by STP on Jan 25, 2023 7:31:11 GMT -6
Yes the problem is that it was ok to push a black woman as a diva and bully and difficult and whatever for the good of Kate the white woman. Yes there was a lot of Kate was probably a bitch but she had a baby, was wearing mesh panties, breast feeding, has 3 kids instead of just Kate acted like a bitch. I hate pitting woman against woman I do but Kate had the opportunities to fix it and she didn’t. All the talk about Will being in her ear or Will making these decisions just once again seems to me as a way to excuse Kate. Honestly I know Harry is fond of her but the fact that he does seems again as a man thing to do that the woman just can’t help it she follows the men around her like he does with the Queen People are allowed to have a different read on the situation without being called stans or have it implied that they’re cool with racism.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 25, 2023 7:38:33 GMT -6
Yes the problem is that it was ok to push a black woman as a diva and bully and difficult and whatever for the good of Kate the white woman. Yes there was a lot of Kate was probably a bitch but she had a baby, was wearing mesh panties, breast feeding, has 3 kids instead of just Kate acted like a bitch. I hate pitting woman against woman I do but Kate had the opportunities to fix it and she didn’t. All the talk about Will being in her ear or Will making these decisions just once again seems to me as a way to excuse Kate. Honestly I know Harry is fond of her but the fact that he does seems again as a man thing to do that the woman just can’t help it she follows the men around her like he does with the Queen People are allowed to have a different read on the situation without being called stans or have it implied that they’re cool with racism. I didn’t say anything about anyone here being ok with racism. Quite opposite in fact. I was saying that was the main point not the fights
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Post by STP on Jan 25, 2023 7:39:06 GMT -6
People are allowed to have a different read on the situation without being called stans or have it implied that they’re cool with racism. I didn’t say anything about anyone here being ok with racism. Quite opposite in fact. I was saying that was the main point not the fights It doesn’t come off that way. It’s fine. Obviously there isn’t really a desire for discussion so much as consensus here. I’m done.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 25, 2023 7:42:17 GMT -6
I didn’t say anything about anyone here being ok with racism. Quite opposite in fact. I was saying that was the main point not the fights It doesn’t come off that way. It’s fine. Obviously there isn’t really a desire for discussion so much as consensus here. I’m done. I literally have said that the Stan thing was harsh. You yourself said that the problem is the spin and I’m agreeing with you. Conversations can happen which I thought were people are saying Kate gets a lot of grace and she does. Meghan gets a lot of grace too I’m not denying that.
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