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Post by Cheshie6 on Jan 3, 2023 12:48:08 GMT -6
Which as I said, you would have to seek out to watch or read. Let’s see- that was my whole point. Nice that it was your let's see whole point, but social media, regular media, et al has been deluged with H+M stuff. I actively have not sought it out and I cannot get away from it on most platforms. So I don't think the snotty response to Eagles was totally warranted. I'm starting to wonder if there are places that are airing this more than others. I am in NH and I haven't seen much of this. I'm not saying it's not happening, I'm just saying in my lily white state, they aren't advertising the Netflix show, or the interview maybe as hard as they would be in other areas. I saw the preview/commercial here and haven't seen it on TV and I watch CBS most of the week. My boss is a royal watcher too, and she didn't see this preview until I sent it to her from here.
I'm on TT and I follow royal accounts so I've seen it on there as well. I'm just wondering if the media is picking and choosing which areas to heavily promote this, and I'm not in it. Maybe some of us aren't seeing this deluge as they are promoting in places they think would be more H+M receptive!?! Just something to think about.
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 12:51:36 GMT -6
Cheshie6 , I don't have live TV, so it's not a matter of advertising. It's on news sites (main stream), twitter (and I do not follow royal stuff), TT (again, I do not follow or interact with royal stuff), podcasts that generally have nothing to do with royalty. It's actively and loudly in the zeitgeist and it's disingenuous to have said to Eagles or anyone that the only way to encounter it is by seeking it out. I'd frankly argue in that case that you have to actively avoid it rather than seek it out.
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Post by Nymeria on Jan 3, 2023 13:14:39 GMT -6
Mary today at the new years reception A few days late to this but damn she looks amazing! |
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 13:50:57 GMT -6
I'd also like to point out that a post perusal will show that I've never been Team Harry from the start of this.
I think there is a real part of him loving this, in the same way Diana did. Some people like being "victims" and "heroes" and that's the narrative he gets to play in. I would imagine that's rather enjoyable.
People are complex. And I don't see total altruism with him.
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:02:57 GMT -6
Frankly, I suspect that having an overload of BRF stuff in your media is a white people problem. Specifically, a white content creator problem. I can only remember one podcast I listen to ever bringing up the BRF and it is 3 white people in the south (The Popcast- which I highly recommend). I DO watch live tv, scroll through TikTok, use IG and Twitter. Royals never came up on my feeds organically. Very few of the people, shows, podcasts that are in my life are white centered. In fact, I actively avoid it. Sometimes I miss quality content, but they have enough eyes to keep them going. I don’t see much Kardashian stuff either, unless I’m in the blinds thread.
My social Twitter does have Meghan and Harry content, because I actively sought it out by following back people who followed me based on my posts. I make liberal use of the block/mute buttons when someone is offensive or tiresome. Perhaps that helps my algorithms? If the royals come across my threads unexpectedly, it’s usually content from indigenous creators discussing colonization, etc. Not people gushing on their love of the queen or the perfectness of any particular family. Nothing is completely avoidable, but let’s not pretend that we don’t have any control over what we are exposed to. We are all grown.
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 15:11:58 GMT -6
I mean, yeah a lot of us here are white. So that's probably very true.
IDK what being grown has to do with it, or why suggesting there is a lot of H&M saturation right now is so objectionable but ok.
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Post by sifl on Jan 3, 2023 15:12:53 GMT -6
Frankly, I suspect that having an overload of BRF stuff in your media is a white people problem. Specifically, a white content creator problem. I can only remember one podcast I listen to ever bringing up the BRF and it is 3 white people in the south (The Popcast- which I highly recommend). I DO watch live tv, scroll through TikTok, use IG and Twitter. Royals never came up on my feeds organically. Very few of the people, shows, podcasts that are in my life are white centered. In fact, I actively avoid it. Sometimes I miss quality content, but they have enough eyes to keep them going. I don’t see much Kardashian stuff either, unless I’m in the blinds thread. My social Twitter does have Meghan and Harry content, because I actively sought it out by following back people who followed me based on my posts. I make liberal use of the block/mute buttons when someone is offensive or tiresome. Perhaps that helps my algorithms? If the royals come across my threads unexpectedly, it’s usually content from indigenous creators discussing colonization, etc. Not people gushing on their love of the queen or the perfectness of any particular family. Nothing is completely avoidable, but let’s not pretend that we don’t have any control over what we are exposed to. We are all grown. I have actively curated my feeds to be minority white and I have the same experience on social media. I only see Royal stuff from the accounts I specifically followed for that (with the exception of the Simpsons episode 😂). |
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 15:22:52 GMT -6
Is there a reason that discussing this obvious media strategy is such an issue? Bc I'm really missing the controversy here.
We talk about things that are quite problematic with great breeziness bc the board is (at the moment) fairly pro H+M.
But "ugh it's a lot of them" is now about being grown and clearly just a you problem to the observer.
I don't really get it. But that's been a theme around here and maybe that tells me what I need to know. I have curated my social media too, and it still shows up. I'm a bit tired of them.
Clearly so were several others.
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:38:00 GMT -6
I mean, yeah a lot of us here are white. So that's probably very true. IDK what being grown has to do with it, or why suggesting there is a lot of H&M saturation right now is so objectionable but ok. Being grown means we are in control of what we watch/listen/look at. Presumably you are in control of what media you let into your life. |
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:43:15 GMT -6
No one said you couldn’t have fatigue. People pointed out the the coverage wasn’t coming from Harry and Meghan and that an author doing literally 2 interviews the week his book comes out isn’t excessive. Have fatigue or don’t, but don’t act like you don’t have some responsibility in what you are exposed to.
Several of us have expressed that our media isn’t showing the same things yours (general you) are. There are reasons for that. I also never see Maga or pro-republican stuff unless it’s in the comments attacking someone. Pretending that we have no control over it does a disservice.
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 15:44:28 GMT -6
I mean, yeah a lot of us here are white. So that's probably very true. IDK what being grown has to do with it, or why suggesting there is a lot of H&M saturation right now is so objectionable but ok. Being grown means we are in control of what we watch/listen/look at. Presumably you are in control of what media you let into your life. And as has already been stated, it's coming from media that didn't previously have anything to do with royal stuff. It pops up on feeds one wouldn't expect it to. It is covered in newscasts. So no, I don't think being grown means I can control all things that come across my eyes during the day. When I tune in to NPR round up and they mention Harry's interview with Anderson Cooper, that's me being not-grown? Huh. |
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 15:44:58 GMT -6
I don't see MAGA stuff either.
This has rounded the drain to insulting, so oh well.
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:47:04 GMT -6
Being grown means we are in control of what we watch/listen/look at. Presumably you are in control of what media you let into your life. And as has already been stated, it's coming from media that didn't previously have anything to do with royal stuff. It pops up on feeds one wouldn't expect it to. It is covered in newscasts. So no, I don't think being grown means I can control all things that come across my eyes during the day. And like I said, it’s not coming up for me, so clearly you can. If it’s a one off, then let it roll. If it’s becoming a thing- change your news or fast forward or turn the page. If you consume it, that’s your choice. |
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:48:16 GMT -6
I don't see MAGA stuff either. This has rounded the drain to insulting, so oh well. No one is saying that you are or have people who are maga. That’s my point. If you can find a way to keep that out of your feed, you can find a way to keep other things you don’t like out of your feed. But feel free to huff and be insulted instead of actually reflecting on the point. |
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 15:51:40 GMT -6
I don't see MAGA stuff either. This has rounded the drain to insulting, so oh well. No one is saying that you are or have people who are maga. That’s my point. If you can find a way to keep that out of your feed, you can find a way to keep other things you don’t like out of your feed. But feel free to huff and be insulted instead of actually reflecting on the point. Reflect on the point that sources that have never covered the royals before and that I have never had reason to suspect would are? I'm not huffing, I'm chuckling. |
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Post by beesquared on Jan 3, 2023 15:58:09 GMT -6
If it came so out of the blue and isn’t the norm, then you won’t have to deal with it for long. Your fatigue should end soon 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by angelashly on Jan 3, 2023 16:02:37 GMT -6
I can absolutely see fatigue. I think the media is latching on to stories of them because it gets clicks and $$$ BUT they are able to have these clicks because they are in the public. Until this week most of the stuff I saw surrounding the Netflix documentary was media weighing in or finding “sources” and people willing to talk. It’s on both M&H and the media.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with feeling that fatigue because at this point nothing is going to come out of it because people have their minds made up and we all know the BRF isn’t doing anything to take accountability for their actions and it is what it is at this point.
I hope that H&M can heal and set the world a buzz with their charities etc. I don’t see the hype ever fully going to go away from the media though because they are who they are
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Post by angelashly on Jan 3, 2023 16:05:29 GMT -6
I also don’t want people not posting here or feeling uncomfortable because I know that feeling
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Post by Ls2012 on Jan 3, 2023 16:22:03 GMT -6
I was surprised by the Steve Schmidt article that was pro-M&H, anti- Piers Morgan. He's not someone I follow at all, but it was reposted by Christopher Bouzy (who I do follow).
I think it's clear we all have varying thresholds for what is "too much" either from Harry (I could stand to hear a lot more from Meghan, ftr), the media, people we follow, or all of the above. And it's all ok.
It is important, though, to acknowledge where the overload is coming from. I hadn't really considered or had previous knowledge of what is normal press output for a docu-series, book, interview, etc. so I appreciate posters pointing out that H&M really haven't been putting that much out there themselves compared to other celebs.
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Post by sifl on Jan 3, 2023 17:38:50 GMT -6
No one said you couldn’t have fatigue. People pointed out the the coverage wasn’t coming from Harry and Meghan and that an author doing literally 2 interviews the week his book comes out isn’t excessive. Have fatigue or don’t, but don’t act like you don’t have some responsibility in what you are exposed to. Several of us have expressed that our media isn’t showing the same things yours (general you) are. There are reasons for that. I also never see Maga or pro-republican stuff unless it’s in the comments attacking someone. Pretending that we have no control over it does a disservice. Exactly. When I say I actively curated my feed I mean it. I specifically wanted to diversify the perspectives I was exposed to. Whether it’s related to a hobby I’m already interested in, or more general social issues, I had a goal to not just be influenced by white cisgender heteronormative neurotypical people and I’ve met it. It’s very much within our control. |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 3, 2023 17:44:10 GMT -6
Oh, I'm only influenced by white cisgender heteronormative neurotypical people. That's what I've been doing wrong all this time.
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Post by sifl on Jan 3, 2023 17:47:27 GMT -6
Oh, I'm only influenced by white cisgender heteronormative neurotypical people. That's what I've been doing wrong all this time. I’m not saying that, just describing how *I* have had control over what *I* see. You really don’t have to take everything personally. |
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Post by fatpony on Jan 3, 2023 17:53:05 GMT -6
I pretty much only see royals things here. I think it might come up in the stuff my Google news tries to feed me but I mostly ignore all that anyways. I'm on Twitter a lot and I have to actively seek it out, unless something big happens, like the Netflix drop.
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For the record I do t plan on reading his books and will get the recaps here and on TikTok. I don't care that much. But out of all the BRF I like H&M the most (not that it's much of a competition). But I'm 100% team Maxima.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 3, 2023 18:19:27 GMT -6
Oh, I'm only influenced by white cisgender heteronormative neurotypical people. That's what I've been doing wrong all this time. I’m not saying that, just describing how *I* have had control over what *I* see. You really don’t have to take everything personally. I'm not taking it personally. But I find Harry to be a bit white savior-y and also still fixated on the idea and ideal of his mother, so I shan't pass him a cookie for his relatively new wokeness and need to demonstrate it. |
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 18:24:54 GMT -6
I mean if this is seriously going to turn into pick me wokeness, that’s a crazy way to lose the plot. I’m not going to sit here and itemize the ways I’ve diversified my media consumption bc that is frankly performative foolishness.
I don’t believe that everyone here hasn’t had H+M stuff on various feeds that otherwise wouldn’t have bothered, and there’s no point in fighting about it. We’ll all just have to know what we know about our own business. If it doesn’t bother or register for you, neat. Other people can feel differently.
The irony of don’t take everything personally isn’t worth more than the acknowledgment of it.
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Post by STP on Jan 3, 2023 18:28:14 GMT -6
Guys, I’m not even kidding you when I say that catholic sacramental theologians went all in on the royals after the death olympics. My TT is food, thrifting, and knitting based. But there they were. |
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Post by newspapers on Jan 3, 2023 19:03:01 GMT -6
Guys, I’m not even kidding you when I say that catholic sacramental theologians went all in on the royals after the death olympics. I don't know what this means, but I kind of love it. |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 3, 2023 19:16:06 GMT -6
Guys, I’m not even kidding you when I say that catholic sacramental theologians went all in on the royals after the death olympics. Please tell me there was a deep dive on the Reformation. |
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Post by bobyn on Jan 3, 2023 19:58:22 GMT -6
Guys, I’m not even kidding you when I say that catholic sacramental theologians went all in on the royals after the death olympics. My TT is food, thrifting, and knitting based. But there they were. If I TT'd, I'd like my feed to be knitting, cats, and manicures. |
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Post by newspapers on Jan 3, 2023 20:07:49 GMT -6
Please tell me there was a deep dive on the Reformation. not even a little bit, but the Latin Mass people are very Team Kate, which should surprise almost no one. I feel like this could be a very deep rabbit hole to go down. Mennonite wedding photography is about to be usurped on my Insta. |
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