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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 9:48:32 GMT -6
I don't see it as being harsh. I'm also not saying Kate had to lift a finger to do anything herself because post-partum or not, that's not her job. But it is not that hard to send a reassuring text. This thread. Who’s to say she didn’t. We weren’t there. Maybe she did, but the fact that she apologized and sent flowers to Meghan the next day (which is very sweet) tells me maybe not in that moment. |
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Post by STP on Jan 12, 2023 9:50:48 GMT -6
This thread. Who’s to say she didn’t. We weren’t there. Maybe she did, but the fact that she apologized and sent flowers to Meghan the next day (which is very sweet) tells me maybe not in that moment. Well in the interest of that grace, do you always act correctly in the moment? You said she should have facilitated the fix bc she knew the pressure. Maybe she wasn’t sure what to do either. Again, I wasn’t there. I hate these make believe scenarios. I’m disheartened a dust up between women remains the point returned to. |
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Post by STP on Jan 12, 2023 9:51:28 GMT -6
And I don’t like Kate.
I’m just surprised at the convo still.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 9:56:13 GMT -6
Maybe she did, but the fact that she apologized and sent flowers to Meghan the next day (which is very sweet) tells me maybe not in that moment. Well in the interest of that grace, do you always act correctly in the moment? You said she should have facilitated the fix bc she knew the pressure. Maybe she wasn’t sure what to do either. Again, I wasn’t there. I hate these make believe scenarios. I’m disheartened a dust up between women remains the point returned to. Why, yes, I do always act correctly in every situation ever. Said no one ever. I've literally already said both women made mistakes but are also deserving of grace. I'm not making this about some catfight between women and my biggest issue with all of this is Wills inserting himself. It's clear you disagree with my opinion, which is fine. It's what we do here. |
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Post by joy on Jan 12, 2023 9:58:32 GMT -6
This dress story is so bizarre.
The bridesmaid’s dresses were designed by Givenchy in Paris. Ajay was the London-based tailor who altered them. There’s a piece missing - who sewed them initially? Was it Givenchy? If they were so wrong, why wasn’t the haute-couture fashion house that is 2hrs away by train not in London fixing the mess for the royal wedding where their name would be tied to the dresses?
Of course we don’t know. I’m just wondering to myself these things.
Anyway, I stand firm in that it was clearly a stressful situation and neither behaved the best.
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Post by STP on Jan 12, 2023 10:00:24 GMT -6
Well in the interest of that grace, do you always act correctly in the moment? You said she should have facilitated the fix bc she knew the pressure. Maybe she wasn’t sure what to do either. Again, I wasn’t there. I hate these make believe scenarios. I’m disheartened a dust up between women remains the point returned to. Why, yes, I do always act correctly in every situation ever. Said no one ever. I've literally already said both women made mistakes but are also deserving of grace. I'm not making this about some catfight between women and my biggest issue with all of this is Wills inserting himself. It's clear you disagree with my opinion, which is fine. It's what we do here. 👍 |
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Post by willow on Jan 12, 2023 10:04:50 GMT -6
I just finished the book. I understand and don't necessarily disagree with all the criticism surrounding it but I think back to how many times its been asked (in general, not necessarily just this board, etc) and even wished into existence that a royal family member spill it all. And now that he has, he's oversharing, etc. He could certainly have done more to address inherent issues with the idea of a colonizing monarchy, to be sure. But this was definitely a therapeutic exercise for him, getting out everything that has been told for him his whole life. It is clear that Harry was not born to fit the royal mold and it took him way longer to catch on to that, likely since Diana wasn't around to help him through it or help him get away. It occurs to me that perhaps if she had lived, maybe Harry would have seen a more free life before Meghan and the racist shitstorm they endured finally did it for him.
All in all, I enjoyed the book. I'm a flawed person so if that sparks judgment in others here, that's fine. I don't think he's a perfect person by any stretch. But I appreciate him giving us what we've wanted for decades - the juicy truth about how terrible his family is.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 10:05:26 GMT -6
This dress story is so bizarre. The bridesmaid’s dresses were designed by Givenchy in Paris. Ajay was the London-based tailor who altered them. There’s a piece missing - who sewed them initially? Was it Givenchy? If they were so wrong, why wasn’t the haute-couture fashion house that is 2hrs away by train not in London fixing the mess for the royal wedding where their name would be tied to the dresses? Of course we don’t know. I’m just wondering to myself these things. Anyway, I stand firm in that it was clearly a stressful situation and neither behaved the best. I find the dress story (the creation/sewing et al) bizarre as well. |
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 10:11:02 GMT -6
I just finished the book. I understand and don't necessarily disagree with all the criticism surrounding it but I think back to how many times its been asked (in general, not necessarily just this board, etc) and even wished into existence that a royal family member spill it all. And now that he has, he's oversharing, etc. He could certainly have done more to address inherent issues with the idea of a colonizing monarchy, to be sure. But this was definitely a therapeutic exercise for him, getting out everything that has been told for him his whole life. It is clear that Harry was not born to fit the royal mold and it took him way longer to catch on to that, likely since Diana wasn't around to help him through it or help him get away. It occurs to me that perhaps if she had lived, maybe Harry would have seen a more free life before Meghan and the racist shitstorm they endured finally did it for him. All in all, I enjoyed the book. I'm a flawed person so if that sparks judgment in others here, that's fine. I don't think he's a perfect person by any stretch. But I appreciate him giving us what we've wanted for decades - the juicy truth about how terrible his family is. No judgment here and I appreciate your perspective and balanced take. My copy arrived yesterday and I'm hoping to start reading it tonight. |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:18:01 GMT -6
Porbably UO, but I will admit to thoughts of "why not facilitate helping to get this shit fixed, Kate?" Yes, let the bride know but in the same sentence, say "Don't worry, we're working with your tailor (or whoever) to get this fixed" and hand it off to whoever. If anyone knows what this situation is like, it is Kate. Insert "Meghan was still wrong to talk about Kate's hormones" disclaimer. Bc she had two young children and a brand new baby, and was likely exhausted? You guys are really harsh. If she’d helped it’d have been Kate is overbearing and tried to take over. I don’t think it’s harsh to say that Kate could have just taken the dress to the tailor. She texted Meghan said the dress was to big Meghan said ok we have a tailor on sight can you take her there. Kate says no the dresses need redone. When all she had to say was cool thanks and taken the dress. Meghan could have said hey if you want I can take Charlotte to make it easier. Like you keep pointing out we weren’t there so we don’t know Kate’s tone nor Meghan’s. ETA: I’m not saying Meghan did say that I’m saying that could have been an option too |
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Post by teraiin on Jan 12, 2023 10:20:34 GMT -6
It sounds like they did. I wonder if Meghan didn't see them on any of girls and had no idea they were so bad? I’m guessing that was the first time the girls all got to try them on? Like they were kept in London not sent to them in Canada I sort of assumed maybe the measurements were done in Canada and texted/given to the people working on the dresses and something got a little funky. I know when I was getting my wedding dress altered my seamstress said they often make the dresses a little big because it’s easier to take them in than figure out what to do with a much too small dress. 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:21:16 GMT -6
I’m guessing that was the first time the girls all got to try them on? Like they were kept in London not sent to them in Canada I sort of assumed maybe the measurements were done in Canada and texted/given to the people working on the dresses and something got a little funky. I know when I was getting my wedding dress altered my seamstress said they often make the dresses a little big because it’s easier to take them in than figure out what to do with a much too small dress. 🤷🏻♀️ That’s my thinking too. And this was the first time the girls had gotten to try them on |
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Post by claudia on Jan 12, 2023 10:27:03 GMT -6
I sort of assumed maybe the measurements were done in Canada and texted/given to the people working on the dresses and something got a little funky. I know when I was getting my wedding dress altered my seamstress said they often make the dresses a little big because it’s easier to take them in than figure out what to do with a much too small dress. 🤷🏻♀️ That’s my thinking too. And this was the first time the girls had gotten to try them on I think doing made to order dresses for the bridesmaids was not the best choice. Little kids grow quickly, so doing measurements beforehand and then sending them off when they wouldn't be tried on until a few days before wasn't the greatest choice. I think the dresses were cute, but would have been just fine without trying to do made to order. My flower girls got their dresses at JC Penney. Clearly that's what they should have done (sarcasm in case it's not clear). |
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 10:30:04 GMT -6
That’s my thinking too. And this was the first time the girls had gotten to try them on I think doing made to order dresses for the bridesmaids was not the best choice. Little kids grow quickly, so doing measurements beforehand and then sending them off when they wouldn't be tried on until a few days before wasn't the greatest choice. I think the dresses were cute, but would have been just fine without trying to do made to order. My flower girls got their dresses at JC Penney. Clearly that's what they should have done (sarcasm in case it's not clear). David's Bridal for my FG and bridesmaids. |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:34:26 GMT -6
That’s my thinking too. And this was the first time the girls had gotten to try them on I think doing made to order dresses for the bridesmaids was not the best choice. Little kids grow quickly, so doing measurements beforehand and then sending them off when they wouldn't be tried on until a few days before wasn't the greatest choice. I think the dresses were cute, but would have been just fine without trying to do made to order. My flower girls got their dresses at JC Penney. Clearly that's what they should have done (sarcasm in case it's not clear). Yes! Although there was what 6 months in between? So they still would have had to order bigger just in case. But really this part bothers me like their bras they are freakin royals who have people who would do anything to dress them USE IT Also Meghan’s dress was to big so maybe it was on brand |
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Post by joy on Jan 12, 2023 10:34:28 GMT -6
Why am I in this rabbit hole?
Kate used Nicki McFarlane for her little girl dresses. Not haute couture, specialized in children.
I was curious if Alexander McQueen did the girl dresses for her wedding as a parallel but it seems no.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:35:03 GMT -6
I think doing made to order dresses for the bridesmaids was not the best choice. Little kids grow quickly, so doing measurements beforehand and then sending them off when they wouldn't be tried on until a few days before wasn't the greatest choice. I think the dresses were cute, but would have been just fine without trying to do made to order. My flower girls got their dresses at JC Penney. Clearly that's what they should have done (sarcasm in case it's not clear). David's Bridal for my FG and bridesmaids. David’s bridal for bridesmaids and dd got hers at JCPenney which we had to alter the week before |
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Post by miawallace on Jan 12, 2023 10:39:42 GMT -6
The little girl dresses were not really cute. They looked really simple and boring for all the drama surrounding them.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 12, 2023 10:40:15 GMT -6
Bc she had two young children and a brand new baby, and was likely exhausted? You guys are really harsh. If she’d helped it’d have been Kate is overbearing and tried to take over. I don’t think it’s harsh to say that Kate could have just taken the dress to the tailor. She texted Meghan said the dress was to big Meghan said ok we have a tailor on sight can you take her there. Kate says no the dresses need redone. When all she had to say was cool thanks and taken the dress. Meghan could have said hey if you want I can take Charlotte to make it easier. Like you keep pointing out we weren’t there so we don’t know Kate’s tone nor Meghan’s. ETA: I’m not saying Meghan did say that I’m saying that could have been an option too From the tailor's interview though, it does sound like they had to basically rip the dresses apart and redo them. It wasn't just take up the hem and shoulders. |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -6
Will and Kate have surfaced
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 12, 2023 10:40:39 GMT -6
The little girl dresses were not really cute. They looked really simple and boring for all the drama surrounding them. Thank you for saying this as I thought the same but felt like it would be UO. |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 12, 2023 10:41:14 GMT -6
I think the focus is on the dresses because catfights (imagined and real) sell.
Which is shitty and misogynistic.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:41:46 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s harsh to say that Kate could have just taken the dress to the tailor. She texted Meghan said the dress was to big Meghan said ok we have a tailor on sight can you take her there. Kate says no the dresses need redone. When all she had to say was cool thanks and taken the dress. Meghan could have said hey if you want I can take Charlotte to make it easier. Like you keep pointing out we weren’t there so we don’t know Kate’s tone nor Meghan’s. ETA: I’m not saying Meghan did say that I’m saying that could have been an option too From the tailor's interview though, it does sound like they had to basically rip the dresses apart and redo them. It wasn't just take up the hem and shoulders. That’s fine let the tailor tell Meghan that. I don’t know I’m not a good person to talk as I’ve said earlier I am just learning to speak my mind with family but I just would have said thanks and went to the tailor and left it alone |
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Post by teraiin on Jan 12, 2023 10:49:59 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s harsh to say that Kate could have just taken the dress to the tailor. She texted Meghan said the dress was to big Meghan said ok we have a tailor on sight can you take her there. Kate says no the dresses need redone. When all she had to say was cool thanks and taken the dress. Meghan could have said hey if you want I can take Charlotte to make it easier. Like you keep pointing out we weren’t there so we don’t know Kate’s tone nor Meghan’s. ETA: I’m not saying Meghan did say that I’m saying that could have been an option too From the tailor's interview though, it does sound like they had to basically rip the dresses apart and redo them. It wasn't just take up the hem and shoulders. I sort of wondered if the drama/miscommunication was that Kate was trying to make sure that Meghan realized dresses needed to be completely redone and not just hemmed a little. And then it sort of exploded into whatever that turned into with the “fine” (no idea just speculating) ETA: nvm I’m late and see we’ve all discussed this already lol |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 12, 2023 10:57:39 GMT -6
Both of my sister’s stressed me out. One was pregnant so she had to get hers done the same week as me The other lives in another state. She tried hers on before coming and couldn’t zip it all the way. It worked out just a little tight but YES I didn’t pick mine up until the Tuesday before the wedding so I was no better but mine was because I was changing the back to make it so no matter what it would fit My sister and I had a legit fight over the earrings I wore for her wedding. I'm laughing that you liked this because I know you remember it! |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 12, 2023 10:59:05 GMT -6
I think the focus is on the dresses because catfights (imagined and real) sell. Which is shitty and misogynistic. If we are arguing about how terrible the women were to each other we aren’t talking about Will and Harry’s shenanigans |
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Post by sweetpea on Jan 12, 2023 10:59:45 GMT -6
Will and Kate have surfaced I like the whole look. I’m a sucker for that plaid and I like the dress and belt |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 12, 2023 11:00:23 GMT -6
From the tailor's interview though, it does sound like they had to basically rip the dresses apart and redo them. It wasn't just take up the hem and shoulders. That’s fine let the tailor tell Meghan that. I don’t know I’m not a good person to talk as I’ve said earlier I am just learning to speak my mind with family but I just would have said thanks and went to the tailor and left it alone I hear you. I also know from the vendor side that we try to never, never let the couple know when things are really wrong because our job is to fix it magically with them none the wiser. It's usually family or friends who give it away (and add stress) and we're like ZIP IT WE'RE WORKING ON IT |
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Post by claudia on Jan 12, 2023 11:02:33 GMT -6
I think the focus is on the dresses because catfights (imagined and real) sell. Which is shitty and misogynistic. And given that they were likely sold (ok fine, leaked) by Camilla even grosser. And we should keep that in mind next time the palace pr puts forth what an advocate for women she is. |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 12, 2023 11:02:58 GMT -6
I have had to remake wedding bands three days before the event and just told the couple "oh, slight delay, a stone came out during polishing and we're replacing it, I'll deliver the bands to your hotel the morning of!"
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