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Post by imapenguin on Jan 11, 2023 16:01:03 GMT -6
Maybe Kate already resented sharing Willy's penis with other women and lip balm was a bridge too far. Omg what if while they were watching suits one night Will expressed attraction of Meghan fast forward a couple years and she is your sister in law! This is a joke for the record Honestly would not be surprised to see this in a tabloid in the next few days 😂 |
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Post by claudia on Jan 11, 2023 16:16:26 GMT -6
I don’t see her as cold. At all. There’s so many photos and so much footage of her over the years laughing with other family members (including and maybe even especially Harold) and members of the public, and she’s notoriously chatty at engagements. She seems great with kids, and very willing to play various sports etc. And of course none of this means she couldn’t possibly have been cold to Meghan. I just don’t see her as a cold person, generally. I do think she is/was much more aware of Royal protocol than Meghan (which makes sense - she’s been around/in the family for 20 odd years), and that that protocol was more important to uphold than it would have been to Meghan when they first met (which again makes total sense - future Queen Consort v woman newly dating 5th in-line to the throne). See and I see her as stand offish and I don’t even hate her for it because I can be that way until I get to know you. If I don’t know you and to go in for a hug you won’t realize I was caught off guard but deep down I am. For all the pictures of Kate engaging at work mind you because that is always brought up when we talk about her personality there a bunch where her more than likely natural RBF is on. Again I have one too so 🤷♀️ There have always been stories of her from university about being ultracompetitive, not getting along with others, not focusing on friendship because she was single minded about "landing" Willy. I think she has times when she is "on" in public and comes across warm, but I don't think that necessarily carries over to her personal life. And if she is ultracompetitive, she might have seen Meghan as a threat. I think Camilla might have been the leaker, but Kate texting Meghan demanding dresses be remade, claiming her 3 year old cried because she thought her dress was too baggy, refusing to take her to the tailor that had been arranged is all pretty obnoxious. Of course, to Kate's credit, she seems to have realized it to the point where she wrote an apology note with flowers the next day. |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 16:19:38 GMT -6
See and I see her as stand offish and I don’t even hate her for it because I can be that way until I get to know you. If I don’t know you and to go in for a hug you won’t realize I was caught off guard but deep down I am. For all the pictures of Kate engaging at work mind you because that is always brought up when we talk about her personality there a bunch where her more than likely natural RBF is on. Again I have one too so 🤷♀️ I don’t like that we equate not wanting to hug people we don’t know well with being stand-offish. Like, we as society. I doubt you’re super standoffish, even if you aren’t hugging randos, friend. For the post-its, I can be incredibly formal at times (shocking no one) but I’m not cold. It’s doable, I swear. I will die with my hordes of lip shit safely tucked in every bag, though. This is my hill. Oh no I’m not saying that. People have talked about Kate and her being stand-offish etc but no one wants to believe it. I do but in saying that I’m saying it’s ok because I can be too, but people would see me with my family or at work and not think that about me because I’m comfortable with those people |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 16:20:16 GMT -6
See and I see her as stand offish and I don’t even hate her for it because I can be that way until I get to know you. If I don’t know you and to go in for a hug you won’t realize I was caught off guard but deep down I am. For all the pictures of Kate engaging at work mind you because that is always brought up when we talk about her personality there a bunch where her more than likely natural RBF is on. Again I have one too so 🤷♀️ There have always been stories of her from university about being ultracompetitive, not getting along with others, not focusing on friendship because she was single minded about "landing" Willy. I think she has times when she is "on" in public and comes across warm, but I don't think that necessarily carries over to her personal life. And if she is ultracompetitive, she might have seen Meghan as a threat. I think Camilla might have been the leaker, but Kate texting Meghan demanding dresses be remade, claiming her 3 year old cried because she thought her dress was too baggy, refusing to take her to the tailor that had been arranged is all pretty obnoxious. Of course, to Kate's credit, she seems to have realized it to the point where she wrote an apology note with flowers the next day. This |
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Post by miawallace on Jan 11, 2023 16:37:03 GMT -6
I also think it’s safe to say they once you become royal fam you need to carry yourself a certain way. So much red tape just to exist. I feel like everyone comes across as stand off dish and cold. I don’t think it’s just a Kate thing. No one strikes me as warm and friendly in that family.
So you see Meghan and the contrast is very evident and why they all had a hard time jiving with her. I think she was doomed to fail and mesh with the family from the start of everything.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 16:49:17 GMT -6
I also think it’s safe to say they once you become royal fam you need to carry yourself a certain way. So much red tape just to exist. I feel like everyone comes across as stand off dish and cold. I don’t think it’s just a Kate thing. No one strikes me as warm and friendly in that family. So you see Meghan and the contrast is very evident and why they all had a hard time jiving with her. I think she was doomed to fail and mesh with the family from the start of everything. Yes I agree with this too |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 17:00:14 GMT -6
Maybe Kate already resented sharing Willy's penis with other women and lip balm was a bridge too far. Ma’am I am who I am |
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Post by RajahMD on Jan 11, 2023 17:10:07 GMT -6
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 11, 2023 17:14:31 GMT -6
I also think it’s safe to say they once you become royal fam you need to carry yourself a certain way. So much red tape just to exist. I feel like everyone comes across as stand off dish and cold. I don’t think it’s just a Kate thing. No one strikes me as warm and friendly in that family. So you see Meghan and the contrast is very evident and why they all had a hard time jiving with her. I think she was doomed to fail and mesh with the family from the start of everything. Kate has for sure perfected that public professional persona in the last couple decades She did *seem* more friendly/fun/smiley earlier on, which is not to say she is or is not those things now, just that now is different. It could be natural with age, training, whatever |
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2023 17:16:37 GMT -6
There have always been stories of her from university about being ultracompetitive, not getting along with others, not focusing on friendship because she was single minded about "landing" Willy. I think she has times when she is "on" in public and comes across warm, but I don't think that necessarily carries over to her personal life. And if she is ultracompetitive, she might have seen Meghan as a threat. I think Camilla might have been the leaker, but Kate texting Meghan demanding dresses be remade, claiming her 3 year old cried because she thought her dress was too baggy, refusing to take her to the tailor that had been arranged is all pretty obnoxious. Of course, to Kate's credit, she seems to have realized it to the point where she wrote an apology note with flowers the next day. This Ok but that was all after she had a relationship with him and people tend to be catty assholes when someone else is getting attention and what they want. I don't know her, and therefore won't call her cold. It feels kind of sexist to me that a woman that isn't overly gregarious or maybe had a focus in life must be cold. |
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2023 17:17:04 GMT -6
We don't call more reserved men cold.
I don't love it.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 11, 2023 17:19:28 GMT -6
I also think it’s safe to say they once you become royal fam you need to carry yourself a certain way. So much red tape just to exist. I feel like everyone comes across as stand off dish and cold. I don’t think it’s just a Kate thing. No one strikes me as warm and friendly in that family. So you see Meghan and the contrast is very evident and why they all had a hard time jiving with her. I think she was doomed to fail and mesh with the family from the start of everything. Kate has for sure perfected that public professional persona in the last couple decades She did *seem* more friendly/fun/smiley earlier on, which is not to say she is or is not those things now, just that now is different. It could be natural with age, training, whatever I don’t know too many details on royals, but from older pictures there’s a big difference from that to how her general disposition now. Her life has been scrutinized so much though. Her facial expressions. Her clothes. I don’t blame her for holding her true self away from the public now. She had years, like you said, to arrive there. |
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Post by angelashly on Jan 11, 2023 17:23:12 GMT -6
We don't call more reserved men cold. I don't love it. I do though. I’ve said that will and Charles were cold too. I think they all are |
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2023 17:24:29 GMT -6
I just think Kate is probably fine. She's a rich, entitled, privileged white woman. That means lots of problematic stuff. I have no doubt the dynamic with M sucked, and it was a lot of her fault. I also wasn't there, so I can't really say.
She's also had every moment of her marriage, her motherhood, her looks, and her life scrutinized. Often cruelly.
So yeah, you're getting a themed outfit and a banal smile. And IDK that I fault her for that.
M isn't that different. When your life is public, you go neutral in expressions. It doesn't really mean anything.
And I have to say again that I put exactly zero stock in shit schoolmates say. Kate is the literal next Queen of England. Her friends aren't going to talk to the press, and that leaves the people who would. And that's all you need to know about them.
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Post by STP on Jan 11, 2023 17:25:05 GMT -6
We don't call more reserved men cold. I don't love it. I do though. I’ve said that will and Charles were cold too. I think they all are Ok, but you're one person. In the grand scheme of conversations about people, women get called cold and I don't like it. |
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jan 11, 2023 17:49:26 GMT -6
The thing about the flower girl dresses is that Kate literally just birthed a baby and now she’s back on the bullshit of the monarchy attending this huge world wide event where two of her kids have to look perfect and behave, and she also has to look perfect and behave.
I would have started biting people. She handled it better than I would have.
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Post by coffeecake on Jan 11, 2023 18:34:49 GMT -6
I also think it’s safe to say they once you become royal fam you need to carry yourself a certain way. So much red tape just to exist. I feel like everyone comes across as stand off dish and cold. I don’t think it’s just a Kate thing. No one strikes me as warm and friendly in that family. So you see Meghan and the contrast is very evident and why they all had a hard time jiving with her. I think she was doomed to fail and mesh with the family from the start of everything. Kate has for sure perfected that public professional persona in the last couple decades She did *seem* more friendly/fun/smiley earlier on, which is not to say she is or is not those things now, just that now is different. It could be natural with age, training, whatever I’m a lot less fun and smiley than I was 20 years ago, too. Mostly because I have a job and kids and bills. I’m tired. Maybe I would be more fun if I had a nanny and lots of help like Kate, though? |
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 18:55:04 GMT -6
The thing about the flower girl dresses is that Kate literally just birthed a baby and now she’s back on the bullshit of the monarchy attending this huge world wide event where two of her kids have to look perfect and behave, and she also has to look perfect and behave. I would have started biting people. She handled it better than I would have. A newborn at home. Possibly still wearing mesh underwear. Possibly lactating, cluster feeding, pumping, who knows. She apologized the next day. And people are still calling her "wedding Karen." |
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Post by willow on Jan 11, 2023 19:12:53 GMT -6
The whole spat about the hormones thing was so crazy to me. I mean, Meghan may have overstepped a bit based on misreading their closeness but Will shouting at her even after she apologizes is just. Yikes. I can definitely see the narrative of Will having a temper since childhood in this book.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 11, 2023 19:25:28 GMT -6
Kate has for sure perfected that public professional persona in the last couple decades She did *seem* more friendly/fun/smiley earlier on, which is not to say she is or is not those things now, just that now is different. It could be natural with age, training, whatever I’m a lot less fun and smiley than I was 20 years ago, too. Mostly because I have a job and kids and bills. I’m tired. Maybe I would be more fun if I had a nanny and lots of help like Kate, though? I'm a lot less fun and smiley than I was 3 years ago and I don't even have kids, just a job and bills. |
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 11, 2023 19:33:21 GMT -6
The whole spat about the hormones thing was so crazy to me. I mean, Meghan may have overstepped a bit based on misreading their closeness but Will shouting at her even after she apologizes is just. Yikes. I can definitely see the narrative of Will having a temper since childhood in this book. Will shouting at her and putting his finger in her face, right after Meghan literally apologized to Kate for referencing her hormones. What an absolute ass. |
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jan 11, 2023 19:40:21 GMT -6
The thing about the flower girl dresses is that Kate literally just birthed a baby and now she’s back on the bullshit of the monarchy attending this huge world wide event where two of her kids have to look perfect and behave, and she also has to look perfect and behave. I would have started biting people. She handled it better than I would have. A newborn at home. Possibly still wearing mesh underwear. Possibly lactating, cluster feeding, pumping, who knows. She apologized the next day. And people are still calling her "wedding Karen." We had our babies hours apart. I watched the wedding while bleeding and lactating. I remember wondering how the fuck she was doing it. And in pale yellow no less. I’d have been in black just in case of leakage. |
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Post by dontstopbelievin on Jan 11, 2023 19:53:26 GMT -6
I don’t think my Libby app is acting right. It says I’m 105th in line, but that is the same place I was when I placed the hold and it says they’ve added 72 copies since I placed the hold. 🤷🏻♀️ Hoping people read on warp speed so I don’t have to wait the estimated 9 weeks.
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Post by beesquared on Jan 11, 2023 20:00:58 GMT -6
The thing about the flower girl dresses is that Kate literally just birthed a baby and now she’s back on the bullshit of the monarchy attending this huge world wide event where two of her kids have to look perfect and behave, and she also has to look perfect and behave. I would have started biting people. She handled it better than I would have. Lets not pretend that there wasn’t a nanny that could take Charlotte to the dress fitting. Kate was taking her frustration/stress out on the wrong person and it was shitty. Postpartum or not, she was out of line. However, Meghan accepted her apology and that’s good enough for me that she put it behind them. |
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Post by claudia on Jan 11, 2023 20:04:41 GMT -6
The thing about the flower girl dresses is that Kate literally just birthed a baby and now she’s back on the bullshit of the monarchy attending this huge world wide event where two of her kids have to look perfect and behave, and she also has to look perfect and behave. I would have started biting people. She handled it better than I would have. Lets not pretend that there wasn’t a nanny that could take Charlotte to the dress fitting. Kate was taking her frustration/stress out on the wrong person and it was shitty. Postpartum or not, she was out of line. However, Meghan accepted her apology and that’s good enough for me that she put it behind them. Yep. It was a non-issue until it was leaked. That’s the issue- to leak a non-true story. |
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 11, 2023 20:20:50 GMT -6
At the end of the day, the person that behaved most outside the realm of acceptable is Willy. Meg made a crack about hormones Kate was a bitch The women apologized and apparently moved on? Except that cat fights make good copy for tabloids and memoirs alike. Agreed. And way to infantilize your wife, Willy. |
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Post by jett on Jan 12, 2023 0:31:42 GMT -6
I don’t think my Libby app is acting right. It says I’m 105th in line, but that is the same place I was when I placed the hold and it says they’ve added 72 copies since I placed the hold. 🤷🏻♀️ Hoping people read on warp speed so I don’t have to wait the estimated 9 weeks. For a second I thought you meant 105th in line to the throne, and I was seriously concerned for your mental health (while also wondering where I could get such an app!). I clearly need a nap. |
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Post by sifl on Jan 12, 2023 1:06:04 GMT -6
I’ve only made it South Africa and the intro of Chelsea, but so far he’s mostly spoke lovingly about his dad and brother, and wishing for more time with them and their approval. He really does seem to love his family, despite being completely starved for affection.
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Post by armpants on Jan 12, 2023 4:59:43 GMT -6
Catching up, so apologies if this has already been said. After listen to the book I actually do get why Harry gave his specific number of kills in Afghanistan and how the certainty of the number was a part of each mission. That number is just a solid fact from his time in the military. Nothing to be glorified (which I don't feel he did in the book), but it's just a fact for him.
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