January royals

[4speedy]

Jan 6, 2023 18:11:52 GMT -6 newspapers said:

Jan 6, 2023 17:51:31 GMT -6 claudia said:

The fuller excerpt says that it was after the reception at a family cocktail party. And they took Charles and William aside to another room and just told them, who then called Kate into the room so she could also be told.

Still tacky to do it that day, but with the timing of them leaving for Australia, maybe they thought it was the best solution. But at least it wasn’t at the reception like some of the previous reports had been.

Yeah, I can't get too upset about this. If the bride herself was fine with it (and really fine, not IT'S FINE, REALLY), then I don't see the drama.

It seems like it would be kind of hard to NOT share in this situation.  After an entire day together, when things are finally winding down, and you are a COCKTAIL party with your family, it seems it would be quite obvious that she wasn’t drinking.  Seems like the cat would already be out of the bag.  I know we’re not supposed to comment on someone’s body, but MM has said in the past that she felt like she had to hide her tummy with binders so obviously SHE felt like people could tell.  Combined with the not drinking, maybe at the end of the day, she felt it was too difficult to keep from the family so why not just say the words everyone was thinking?

[Sweetjane]

Jan 6, 2023 23:52:32 GMT -6 beesquared said:

Jan 6, 2023 23:22:54 GMT -6 sifl said:

I have less than zero cares about the pregnancy news being shared at a wedding reception after party. Maybe I’m broken.

Yeah, this doesn’t really register to me as anything. I get how some people would have feelings, but there is a lot of projection around this topic.

Especially considering how close they are with Eugenie. Certainly she greenlighted the news, possibly even encouraged it.

[hawkward]

Sharing a “kill count” is in poor taste.

As a tangent, you would not BELIEVE the amount of times we’ve been asked about H seeing “active combat” in the last couple of months. I’ve started being very direct about telling people to knock that shit off.

I don’t think the “target” implications of it are really a new concern though. I don’t know a single military family that doesn’t have a story about finding out their names are on a list of targets. Without sharing details, it happened to us several years ago and although it freaked me out, we just kept taking the same precautions as always. Obviously there is a HUGE difference in visibility, but I’m sure this possibility has been on their radar long before the book was published.

[STP]

Jan 7, 2023 7:39:48 GMT -6 Sweetjane said:

Jan 6, 2023 23:52:32 GMT -6 beesquared said:

Yeah, this doesn’t really register to me as anything. I get how some people would have feelings, but there is a lot of projection around this topic.

Especially considering how close they are with Eugenie. Certainly she greenlighted the news, possibly even encouraged it.

How would you possibly know that?

[STP]

I don’t believe there was no other time to tell the family.

So nah.

[Leaf 🌱]

I could see them wanting to tell Charles and Will in person, privately and this being one of their few opportunities to do so. Charles and Will have been known to ignore phone calls and decline meetings. If I was H and M, trying to keep it under wraps, I would have wanted to tell them to their faces with no one else around so there’s no excuse that “staff read the text/email/overhead a phone call and that’s how it leaked.”

Pulling people aside to inform vs making a big to-do is much different IMO and I might be missing details there.

[Eagles]

The story goes that the queen and everyone else found out Kate was pregnant with George when she was hospitalized with HG. So yeah, the could have FaceTimed with an ultrasound pic or something.

[Eagles]

Idk if relationships had devolved that much in the 5 months they were married where W&C weren't taking calls etc.

I land on we weren't there so we don't know. At the time I think Will and Kate were living in Kensington Palace so they could have been like "hey, we want to come over after dinner, does tonight work?"

Also it sucks that it had to be this way from the gate. Formal and dysfunctional and weird. I'm not saying you have to be BFFs with your ILs - I'm not - but an effort on all sides without agendas is usually the best way to go.

[beesquared]

My point isn’t that there wasn’t another time to tell them- it’s that it wouldn’t occur to me to be upset about it if I was the bride. Like, if it was my wedding I wouldn’t have cared if they were telling people for the first time during our reception.

However, just because I wouldn’t care doesn’t mean that I can’t see why some people would care. We don’t know that Eugenie was upset by it. Lots of people putting their feelings into her mouth. We don’t know how she felt* Again, projection.

*unless it’s in the book, and then we will have Harry’s impressions on it.

[icedcoffee]

Jan 7, 2023 13:01:58 GMT -6 Leaf 🌱 said:

I could see them wanting to tell Charles and Will in person, privately and this being one of their few opportunities to do so. Charles and Will have been known to ignore phone calls and decline meetings. If I was H and M, trying to keep it under wraps, I would have wanted to tell them to their faces with no one else around so there’s no excuse that “staff read the text/email/overhead a phone call and that’s how it leaked.”

Pulling people aside to inform vs making a big to-do is much different IMO and I might be missing details there.

This is weird to me too honestly. Why would it be important to tell C&W privately if you can't even get them on to answer a phone call?

[mathlete]

Jan 6, 2023 23:22:54 GMT -6 sifl said:

I have less than zero cares about the pregnancy news being shared at a wedding reception after party. Maybe I’m broken.

I had a baby the day my SIL got married, so I'm like, just telling a few people youre pregnant is nbd. 😂

[Leaf 🌱]

Jan 7, 2023 13:27:20 GMT -6 icedcoffee said:

Jan 7, 2023 13:01:58 GMT -6 Leaf 🌱 said:

I could see them wanting to tell Charles and Will in person, privately and this being one of their few opportunities to do so. Charles and Will have been known to ignore phone calls and decline meetings. If I was H and M, trying to keep it under wraps, I would have wanted to tell them to their faces with no one else around so there’s no excuse that “staff read the text/email/overhead a phone call and that’s how it leaked.”

Pulling people aside to inform vs making a big to-do is much different IMO and I might be missing details there.

This is weird to me too honestly. Why would it be important to tell C&W privately if you can't even get them on to answer a phone call?

Protocol, requests for support, discussing moves and upcoming royal obligations, maybe they wanted to get out of travel, etc. On some level, being a working royal meant that Charles and Will were their bosses - especially if the Queen had stepped back as far as is rumored.

[claudia]

Jan 7, 2023 13:17:57 GMT -6 Eagles said:

Idk if relationships had devolved that much in the 5 months they were married where W&C weren't taking calls etc.

I land on we weren't there so we don't know. At the time I think Will and Kate were living in Kensington Palace so they could have been like "hey, we want to come over after dinner, does tonight work?"

Also it sucks that it had to be this way from the gate. Formal and dysfunctional and weird. I'm not saying you have to be BFFs with your ILs - I'm not - but an effort on all sides without agendas is usually the best way to go.

I think it had. Soon after M&H’s wedding was the fight where the four of them sat down to clear the air and it turned into a bigger fight. That was when Will put his finger in Meghan’s face and she snapped at him to get it out. The Wales also (bizarrely) were offended that the Sussexes didn’t get them presents for Easter and the Sussexes were mad because apparently the Wales moved placecards around at the wedding reception because they disagreed with how they were seated.

But again, if the relationship is that bad, why not just let them find out whenever? I know Mike had said that the family knew before the wedding because Harry had put it in the family WhatsApp group- are Charles, Camilla, Will, and Kate not in the group? Was that a joke that people thought was serious? Was he just lying? So many questions that I doubt Spare will answer.

[Eagles]

I'd like to go on the record as hating seating assignments at weddings. Not table assignments, but individual place cards. It's an absolute pain in the ass to make sure you put the designated card at each place setting as noted by the bride on her hand drawn floor plan. Let adults sit where they want to.

[claudia]

Jan 7, 2023 13:49:17 GMT -6 Eagles said:

I'd like to go on the record as hating seating assignments at weddings. Not table assignments, but individual place cards. It's an absolute pain in the ass to make sure you put the designated card at each place setting as noted by the bride on her hand drawn floor plan. Let adults sit where they want to.

Agreed but apparently the issue was that they were seated next to each other which they deemed as “too American” because protocol says they shouldn’t sit by each other. Which I know is the old school rules that some still follow, but it doesn’t seem like a hill to die on for someone else’s wedding. Which when you combine it with arguing over fit of dresses, tights, and apparently facial hair according to another excerpt- I would be pretty annoyed as the bride and groom.

[Eagles]

Jan 7, 2023 13:58:18 GMT -6 claudia said:

Jan 7, 2023 13:49:17 GMT -6 Eagles said:

I'd like to go on the record as hating seating assignments at weddings. Not table assignments, but individual place cards. It's an absolute pain in the ass to make sure you put the designated card at each place setting as noted by the bride on her hand drawn floor plan. Let adults sit where they want to.

Agreed but apparently the issue was that they were seated next to each other which they deemed as “too American” because protocol says they shouldn’t sit by each other. Which I know is the old school rules that some still follow, but it doesn’t seem like a hill to die on for someone else’s wedding. Which when you combine it with arguing over fit of dresses, tights, and apparently facial hair according to another excerpt- I would be pretty annoyed as the bride and groom.

That's when as a couple you have to make like Elsa and let it go.

[sifl]

Jan 7, 2023 13:58:18 GMT -6 claudia said:

Jan 7, 2023 13:49:17 GMT -6 Eagles said:

I'd like to go on the record as hating seating assignments at weddings. Not table assignments, but individual place cards. It's an absolute pain in the ass to make sure you put the designated card at each place setting as noted by the bride on her hand drawn floor plan. Let adults sit where they want to.

Agreed but apparently the issue was that they were seated next to each other which they deemed as “too American” because protocol says they shouldn’t sit by each other. Which I know is the old school rules that some still follow, but it doesn’t seem like a hill to die on for someone else’s wedding. Which when you combine it with arguing over fit of dresses, tights, and apparently facial hair according to another excerpt- I would be pretty annoyed as the bride and groom.

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

[sifl]

Jan 7, 2023 14:10:14 GMT -6 swellist said:

Jan 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT -6 sifl said:

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

This is apparently an old school etiquette thing. Like my parents didn't sit at the same table at my wedding? I dunno, I was like "allllllrighty, do you boos."

Huh. That seems very odd to me, but ok.

[beesquared]

Yeah, typically old school protocol has people seated apart, by rank. Or couples split up to encourage conversations. I’m gonna go with, not my party, not my concern. In my circle it would be a bigger breach of etiquette to make waves against a host.

Now, talking a little smack on the car ride home is a different story.

[hawkward]

Jan 7, 2023 14:10:14 GMT -6 swellist said:

Jan 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT -6 sifl said:

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

This is apparently an old school etiquette thing. Like my parents didn't sit at the same table at my wedding? I dunno, I was like "allllllrighty, do you boos."

H and I went to a small handful of formal events in England and we were always assigned seats separately. It was even more awkward because we had to walk in together and be announced but then find our own seats.

[Eagles]

I promise you people move their place cards around when they get to their assigned seats at weddings. I watch it with my own eyes. Which is annoying because I spent 45 minutes setting them exactly clockwise starting with the point outlined at each table in red pen/with a star/etc. But I get paid so 🤷🏼‍♀️

[newspapers]

Jan 7, 2023 14:10:14 GMT -6 swellist said:

Jan 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT -6 sifl said:

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

This is apparently an old school etiquette thing. Like my parents didn't sit at the same table at my wedding? I dunno, I was like "allllllrighty, do you boos."

Yes, old school etiquette is that you split up married couples at the table. My MIL always did and now that my SIL hosts, she does the same. I learned many of these rules only when I got married, haha, despite my parents' efforts to make me a lady.

[Radley]

I think we’re ignoring that this isn’t just your cousin telling people she is pregnant on your wedding day (which some people do consider rude), but this is the literal Prince telling people this on your wedding day. Like come on. We all know that was going to overshadow her day. And it did.
I’m sure Megan and Harry were being very “omg we’re pregnant and excited and this is important” and that was probably the extent of their thinking.

[jaidit]

Jan 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT -6 sifl said:

Jan 7, 2023 13:58:18 GMT -6 claudia said:

Agreed but apparently the issue was that they were seated next to each other which they deemed as “too American” because protocol says they shouldn’t sit by each other. Which I know is the old school rules that some still follow, but it doesn’t seem like a hill to die on for someone else’s wedding. Which when you combine it with arguing over fit of dresses, tights, and apparently facial hair according to another excerpt- I would be pretty annoyed as the bride and groom.

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

Here you shouldn’t sit next to your spouse if you’ve been married over a year. But; I’ve been to weddings (European not French) before marrying my H and we weren’t at the same table.
Personally I like talking to other people during the dinner because I know we’ll all end up on the dance floor anyways!

[claudia]

Jan 7, 2023 17:28:00 GMT -6 Radley said:

I think we’re ignoring that this isn’t just your cousin telling people she is pregnant on your wedding day (which some people do consider rude), but this is the literal Prince telling people this on your wedding day. Like come on. We all know that was going to overshadow her day. And it did.
I’m sure Megan and Harry were being very “omg we’re pregnant and excited and this is important” and that was probably the extent of their thinking.

But even if he just told two other princes and their wives? I don’t know- they’re not in awe of him for having the prince title. I mean, he is just the spare prince (sarcasm in that last line).

[beatch]

Jan 7, 2023 17:28:00 GMT -6 Radley said:

I think we’re ignoring that this isn’t just your cousin telling people she is pregnant on your wedding day (which some people do consider rude), but this is the literal Prince telling people this on your wedding day. Like come on. We all know that was going to overshadow her day. And it did.
I’m sure Megan and Harry were being very “omg we’re pregnant and excited and this is important” and that was probably the extent of their thinking.

I mean...I have no idea what guests talked about on my wedding day as we were quite busy. I mean, besides how this was, bar none, the best wedding they had ever attended.

[Eagles]

Jan 7, 2023 19:39:19 GMT -6 beatch said:

Jan 7, 2023 17:28:00 GMT -6 Radley said:

I think we’re ignoring that this isn’t just your cousin telling people she is pregnant on your wedding day (which some people do consider rude), but this is the literal Prince telling people this on your wedding day. Like come on. We all know that was going to overshadow her day. And it did.
I’m sure Megan and Harry were being very “omg we’re pregnant and excited and this is important” and that was probably the extent of their thinking.

I mean...I have no idea what guests talked about on my wedding day as we were quite busy. I mean, besides how this was, bar none, the best wedding they had ever attended.

Mine raved about cocktail hour.

I had a cousin announce her engagement at another cousin's wedding (as a surprise) and it went over like a lead balloon. Another cousin got engaged the day before her future SIL's bridal shower and spent the party showing everyone her ring. The bride was not amused.

You and I know better than anyone that personalities at weddings are wild!

[sifl]

Jan 7, 2023 17:43:28 GMT -6 jaidit said:

Jan 7, 2023 14:08:39 GMT -6 sifl said:

A couple sitting next to each other at a wedding reception is “too American”? What?

Here you shouldn’t sit next to your spouse if you’ve been married over a year. But; I’ve been to weddings (European not French) before marrying my H and we weren’t at the same table.
Personally I like talking to other people during the dinner because I know we’ll all end up on the dance floor anyways!

Is there a reason for this? I’m finding this all very baffling.

[jorkzy]

Jan 7, 2023 21:30:52 GMT -6 sifl said:

Jan 7, 2023 17:43:28 GMT -6 jaidit said:

Here you shouldn’t sit next to your spouse if you’ve been married over a year. But; I’ve been to weddings (European not French) before marrying my H and we weren’t at the same table.
Personally I like talking to other people during the dinner because I know we’ll all end up on the dance floor anyways!

Is there a reason for this? I’m finding this all very baffling.

I think it’s so people socialize more

[Ls2012]

Jan 7, 2023 21:32:06 GMT -6 jorkzy said:

Jan 7, 2023 21:30:52 GMT -6 sifl said:

Is there a reason for this? I’m finding this all very baffling.

I think it’s so people socialize more

This is an anxiety-riddled nightmare scenario for me. I have no social skills.