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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 12, 2022 10:20:42 GMT -6
Viserys having his one last act as king was perfectly played. That long walk to the throne. His support of Rhaenyra. Just beautiful and heart-breaking to watch. Give Paddy the Emmy. I liked seeing the moments with Daemon and Viserys, seeing that despite all of the distance between them, they still care for one another as brothers. I loved hearing Matt improvised the crown moments without missing a beat. Vaemond going scorched earth by calling out Rhaenyra's three eldest sons as bastards was so foolish and although I gasped, I shouldn't have been surprised that Daemon ended him. I'm going to go against the grain about any warm feelings towards Alicent. She is very well aware that her eldest son is a rapist, who rapes his own sister-wife FFS, so her gaving a crumb of pity to his latest victim (serving girl) didn't impress me in the slightest. Especially when it was accompanied with a side of threat that was all about Alicent protecting her precious rapist if servant girl didn't go quietly. She is also happy to have crazy Larys at her beck and call, knowing he killed his own father and brother. She knows her son is completely unsuited for rule, given he's a raping rapist, but she decided to take Viserys' words, while almost completely zonked out on milk of the poppy, to mean that it's her Aegon he's referring to in terms of the Prince Who Was Promised. She's hearing what she wants to hear, not the actual truth. Which PWWP or not, she has known for decades that he wants his eldest child, Rhaenyra, on the throne. Period. Not his eldest son with her. A son whom she has no more sway over than Cersei had with Joffrey. Less, actually, which speaks volumes. I've not been impressed with Rhaenyra either as she basically peaced out to Dragonstone for the better part of a decade instead of preparing to rule. I'm glad we are done with the time jumps as loving the show as I am, things felt so incredibly rushed and beats weren't played that should have been like Rhaenyra and Harwin's relationship, Viserys' reaction to Rhaenyra marrying Daemon, or knowing so little about the children of Rhaenyra/Harwin (who are about to become major players) and even Viserys/Alicent's children not being very fleshed out except Aegon II is a rapist, Aemond is a eye-patch wearing heir apparent to Uncle Daemon, and Haelena tells the future in poems and is now subject to being raped by her brother/husband. Oh, and there's no mention of the youngest child, Daeron, who is apparently in Old Town.
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Oct 16, 2022 20:09:52 GMT -6
I’m moderately annoyed she didn’t light the entire team green on fire before flying away. The show would have been a lot less interesting but it would have solved a lot of problems quickly.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 16, 2022 21:34:38 GMT -6
I was shouting for Meleys to Dracaryas their asses. Except for Helaena. It reminded me of Ned not wanting Cersei and her and Jaime’s children harmed in GoT, which led to his demise.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 16, 2022 21:35:37 GMT -6
And speaking of wanting to burn shit up, it is going to be 2024 before we get S2.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 7:03:29 GMT -6
Luke is totally dying next episode. 🥲
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 7:15:07 GMT -6
I understand they’re trying to reinstate how used Alicent has been by the men in her life, but I hated the Larys scene. She’s really selling feet glances for information. 😩
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 7:16:21 GMT -6
Rhaenys not smoking them was infuriating. You just killed a bunch of innocent civilians but you don’t want to kill Alicents kids and put her through the trauma? Make it make sense.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 7:17:52 GMT -6
This was the worst episode 9 in GOT history. Next week looks great and action packed but this week so slow and needlessly drawn out.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 7:23:38 GMT -6
Criston Cole is a fucking asshole.
Aegon is a piece of shit. Why is them finding Gaemon a big deal? There’s bastards and dragonseeds everywhere.
Aemond is a psycho but at least he’s smart and talented.
I’m glad the king guard commander didn’t die and had a Barristan Selmy moment.
Otto is so conniving. What a slap in the face pulling strings behind Alicents back. I hate how scummy everyone is. Fuck that small council.
Alicent has goodness in her and isn’t as evil as she’s made out to be. She did genuinely care for Viserys and stand by him. She’s trying to look out for Nyra. She’s aware of how fucked up her kids are. Part of me feels for her.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 17, 2022 8:56:38 GMT -6
Luke is totally dying next episode. 🥲 I haven't read the book, but I agree, and I think Aemond is going to be the one to kill him. I think this will be the impetus for Rhaenyra, who I think is going to initially bow out, despite being named her father's heir, to go to war.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 17, 2022 9:02:17 GMT -6
Rhaenys not smoking them was infuriating. You just killed a bunch of innocent civilians but you don’t want to kill Alicents kids and put her through the trauma? Make it make sense. Having some time to process, I get why she wouldn't go that far. With all the houses that are Team Green and Aegon's bastards running around Flea Bottom and legitimate youngest son, Daeron, safe in OldTown, killing them wouldn't have prevented a war over the succession IMO. In fact, it would hand Team Green the moral high ground on a silver platter and probably have more support for their side. Also, nothing we have seen from Rhaenys this season shows wiping out an entire family is in her character.
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Post by Nonniedee on Oct 17, 2022 9:12:01 GMT -6
Also being a kingslayer/kinslayer is a big deal in that world. Corlys isn’t around to protect her from the fallback, she had to think of herself and her grandchildren.
Even if she killed everyone on the dais, she would still have the bannermen to contend with.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 9:16:10 GMT -6
Rhaenys not smoking them was infuriating. You just killed a bunch of innocent civilians but you don’t want to kill Alicents kids and put her through the trauma? Make it make sense. Having some time to process, I get why she wouldn't go that far. With all the houses that are Team Green and Aegon's bastards running around Flea Bottom and legitimate youngest son, Daeron, safe in OldTown, killing them wouldn't have prevented a war over the succession IMO. In fact, it would hand Team Green the moral high ground on a silver platter and probably have more support for their side. Also, nothing we have seen from Rhaenys this season shows wiping out an entire family is in her character. I don’t agree. Team green wouldn’t be a thing once all those major players were done away with. I get that many don’t want a woman on the throne but they are treasonous usurpers. Beyond the crown, she put her grandchildren in harms way by not doing it.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 9:18:34 GMT -6
Also being a kingslayer/kinslayer is a big deal in that world. Corlys isn’t around to protect her from the fallback, she had to think of herself and her grandchildren. Even if she killed everyone on the dais, she would still have the bannermen to contend with. I know kinslaying is a big deal, but they’re about to engage in civil war with lots of it. She should’ve done it.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 17, 2022 9:43:23 GMT -6
Also being a kingslayer/kinslayer is a big deal in that world. Corlys isn’t around to protect her from the fallback, she had to think of herself and her grandchildren. Even if she killed everyone on the dais, she would still have the bannermen to contend with. Yes, exactly, to being a kingslayer/kinslayer. Rhaenys was the rightful heir to the throne and even though it has to still sting that but for her having a vagina, she'd be sitting on the Iron Throne, she is not going to wipe out a whole family (and yes, that would mean innocent children, Daeron and Aegon/Helaena's kids) in order to accomplish that. As much as I was saying "Dracaryas!" last night, it really isn't that simple, especially as House Hightower is one of the oldest in the 7 Kingdoms, as old as House Targaryen and House Valeryon. Team Green has a lot of support and many, many bannerman to come to their aid. Yes, Team Black could wipe out everyone as they would hold the advantage with more literal fire power (dragons) but unless they are willing to go scorched earth and rule over ashes, ala Dany, dragons aren't everything.
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 9:43:28 GMT -6
Also I rather be at war with regular folks than folks with dragons.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 17, 2022 11:40:04 GMT -6
On another note, if Rhaenys had torched them all, I'm not sure what we'd be left with, show-wise. Rhaenyra and Daemon would hold all the cards and the dragons. There would be no "Dance." And as much as I don't want to see anything happen to the dragons (including those fighting with Team Green), that is the main point of the show. I mean, we're not getting get HEA with HotD anymore than we got this with GoT:
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Post by babybean on Oct 17, 2022 12:22:05 GMT -6
There’s no happy endings. It actually depressing how few remain after this dance is finished lol.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 17, 2022 12:57:29 GMT -6
Having some time to process, I get why she wouldn't go that far. With all the houses that are Team Green and Aegon's bastards running around Flea Bottom and legitimate youngest son, Daeron, safe in OldTown, killing them wouldn't have prevented a war over the succession IMO. In fact, it would hand Team Green the moral high ground on a silver platter and probably have more support for their side. Also, nothing we have seen from Rhaenys this season shows wiping out an entire family is in her character. I don’t agree. Team green wouldn’t be a thing once all those major players were done away with. I get that many don’t want a woman on the throne but they are treasonous usurpers. Beyond the crown, she put her grandchildren in harms way by not doing it. I did spend a lot of the episode fretting about the girls, but I’m assuming they are with Daemon and co. I am still worried about them though
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 17, 2022 13:41:53 GMT -6
I liked last nights episode a lot. I thought Alicent is becoming a lot more complicated in her motivations and her thoughts - even naive and kind of disgusted at herself (the feet omg) but also trying to stay true to her moral code, for what it means to her. I also thought her actual sadness at Viserys death was a nice touch. I also loved that her first thought at the end was to her daughter, then she stood in front of Aegon. That was a great, enduring bit beince she never really shows much affection to her kids. Sorry Aemond.
Otto though. Fuck that guy.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:06:14 GMT -6
Also being a kingslayer/kinslayer is a big deal in that world. Corlys isn’t around to protect her from the fallback, she had to think of herself and her grandchildren. Even if she killed everyone on the dais, she would still have the bannermen to contend with. The after the show people said she is a morally sound woman. She has lost her children (she thinks) and would not want to give that pain to another. They said it was about being mothers. Her looking at Alicent and Alicent looking back scared thinking they are BBQ. They said it would have solved the issue for everyone.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:11:03 GMT -6
Having some time to process, I get why she wouldn't go that far. With all the houses that are Team Green and Aegon's bastards running around Flea Bottom and legitimate youngest son, Daeron, safe in OldTown, killing them wouldn't have prevented a war over the succession IMO. In fact, it would hand Team Green the moral high ground on a silver platter and probably have more support for their side. Also, nothing we have seen from Rhaenys this season shows wiping out an entire family is in her character. I don’t agree. Team green wouldn’t be a thing once all those major players were done away with. I get that many don’t want a woman on the throne but they are treasonous usurpers. Beyond the crown, she put her grandchildren in harms way by not doing it. I also feel there is something to be said that historically they have not wanted a woman to rule but who is they? Do the people really care? Their station and circumstances don't change much with whoever on the throne. I feel they is the council and the major families and like some said last night their king for the past 20 years has been saying he wanted his daughter to succeed him. So I feel like BB said Team Green wouldn't have fought to the death about it if they were BBQd.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:12:29 GMT -6
Also babybean is correct Alicent is the only thing keeping them alive right now. Rhaenys not killing them has left her house at risk and her grandchildren as well.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:14:58 GMT -6
Criston Cole is a fucking asshole. - I am ready for him to die. Aegon is a piece of shit. Why is them finding Gaemon a big deal? There’s bastards and dragonseeds everywhere. - the after the show people said it's a big deal because their issue with Rhaenyra, that she has bastard sons so now so does Aegon.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:16:46 GMT -6
I also don't get oh look at Alicent being a mom vibes to Helaena. She did marry her daughter to her son.
Miss me with the other incest cause this is direct siblings and I don't like it. I just feel in the world of incest this combo is the worst.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:19:09 GMT -6
I like the talk Rhaenys gave Alicent about her still worrying about serving man cause she was not lying.
She used the guy liking her as the incentive for him to do what she wanted. - Cole
Then her sticking her feet out while Larys jacked off? Like uh ma'am, you know what you doing and you nasty.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 17, 2022 15:20:59 GMT -6
And speaking of wanting to burn shit up, it is going to be 2024 before we get S2. Oh wow
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Oct 17, 2022 15:45:01 GMT -6
And speaking of wanting to burn shit up, it is going to be 2024 before we get S2. Oh wow I know. Filming won't even be done until next summer so it's likely an early 2024 debut but still, more than a year between seasons is a long time.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 17, 2022 15:48:58 GMT -6
I also don't get oh look at Alicent being a mom vibes to Helaena. She did marry her daughter to her son. Miss me with the other incest cause this is direct siblings and I don't like it. I just feel in the world of incest this combo is the worst. Oh I just meant when she was like "get Halaena" when the dragon came in. I thought that was sweet. The bar is pretty on the floor with her parenting skills, and it felt notable because her interactions with her kids have been so rare I guess. I also think the bro/sis marriage is a bridge too far, even for Targaryens.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 17, 2022 15:50:15 GMT -6
Lol - honestly, who even knew I was grading on the curve for TV incest. This show really can change a person.
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