hawkward
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Post by hawkward on Mar 1, 2022 10:39:56 GMT -6
I'm so angry for these Russian kids and their families. Thinking you're going to go help, do something good, and you find death and war crimes. Putin values no one but himself and his power. Iβm scared for them for what theyβre going to go home to. I canβt imagine there will be no consequences for the kids who refused orders.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 10:43:11 GMT -6
Good points here
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clucky
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Post by clucky on Mar 1, 2022 10:43:34 GMT -6
Ls2012 My H and I were talking about that last night. How we wondered, based on info coming out about Russian soldiers being blindsided about what they were expected to do, whether many would surrender just to avoid getting killed. I saw some video on Reddit a day or two ago where a tank of Russians surrendered peacefully so I was curious if that would continue. Cautiously hopeful that this would be the case, but also pessimistic baseline. Which I feel, unfortunately *for me*, has become a new normal.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 10:44:35 GMT -6
Ls2012 My H and I were talking about that last night. How we wondered, based on info coming out about Russian soldiers being blindsided about what they were expected to do, whether many would surrender just to avoid getting killed. I saw some video on Reddit a day or two ago where a tank of Russians surrendered peacefully so I was curious if that would continue. I've been wondering about all the abandoned/ stolen tanks, if Ukrainians were able to fuel them up and use them to defend Kyiv. I'm sure they're making use of them somehow, but I'm curious. There are tiktoks purported to be Ukranians showing how to operate the abandoned Russian vehicles I can't speak to the veracity of that, but I hope it's true
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Post by jaygee on Mar 1, 2022 10:48:30 GMT -6
I read this yesterday and it hit me hard.
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Post by byjove on Mar 1, 2022 10:54:53 GMT -6
I've been wondering about all the abandoned/ stolen tanks, if Ukrainians were able to fuel them up and use them to defend Kyiv. I'm sure they're making use of them somehow, but I'm curious. There are tiktoks purported to be Ukranians showing how to operate the abandoned Russian vehicles I can't speak to the veracity of that, but I hope it's true The last I saw about this in particular was a russian woman that put out a video a couple of years ago and it wasn't directly related to what is happening right now, but that these videos absolutely exist.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 11:20:32 GMT -6
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Post by cnf on Mar 1, 2022 11:41:32 GMT -6
Looking for confirmation, but π I just saw this same Intel from another Reuters correspondent. Also There was a video on Reddit last night where Russian soldier were showing that the MRE they were sent expired in 2015!
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Post by Minerva on Mar 1, 2022 11:43:28 GMT -6
Ls2012 My H and I were talking about that last night. How we wondered, based on info coming out about Russian soldiers being blindsided about what they were expected to do, whether many would surrender just to avoid getting killed. I saw some video on Reddit a day or two ago where a tank of Russians surrendered peacefully so I was curious if that would continue. I had a friend in my 20s who was struggling to avoid Russian military service by pursuing studies in the US. He was only 19, but an honest-to-god genius wunderkind and ardent pacifist. He was from a middle class Russian family without major connections and was slowly exhausting all of his avenues to avoid conscription. His academic mentor at St. Petersburg University was writing everyone he knew in the US and Canada to try to find ways to keep him in the states. He was willing to face jail time to avoid joining the army if necessary, but it was very clear that if he couldnβt get an exception, heβd be in serious danger as a dissenter in Russia. He passed away about 10 years ago in a mountaineering accident. π Anyway, Iβm sure that many of the Russian soldiers deployed in Ukraine do not even want to be in the army, let alone part of Putinβs Invasion of Ukraine.
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richard
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Post by richard on Mar 1, 2022 11:56:28 GMT -6
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 12:27:58 GMT -6
Use of thermobaric rockets confirmed.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 12:37:12 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 12:41:17 GMT -6
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 12:45:24 GMT -6
Yikes to this thread.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 13:09:53 GMT -6
π
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richard
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Post by richard on Mar 1, 2022 13:14:01 GMT -6
Use of thermobaric rockets confirmed. This doesn't confirm use necessarily.
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Post by 4PrivetDrive on Mar 1, 2022 13:22:43 GMT -6
I just saw this same Intel from another Reuters correspondent. Also There was a video on Reddit last night where Russian soldier were showing that the MRE they were sent expired in 2015! Do not want to imagine the Omelet in a 7 years expired MRE. If they still make the Omelet one.
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 1, 2022 13:46:55 GMT -6
There was a video on Reddit last night where Russian soldier were showing that the MRE they were sent expired in 2015! Do not want to imagine the Omelet in a 7 years expired MRE. If they still make the Omelet one.Β When my dad was stationed in Bosnia- Herzegovina for 7 months he did a story (he was a journalist) on different countries MREs. He said by far the Russian MREs were the worst as it included 3 cans that were indiscernible as to contents. He said the worst part is they also sampled officer rations and those were REALLY NICE. So it was a huge differential between the average more and the officer mre.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 13:50:22 GMT -6
I'm consuming too much news and think I need to back away a bit, feeling like I've been on the cusp of a panic attack since this started. Can someone tag me if things take a significant turn?
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Post by athn64 on Mar 1, 2022 14:16:50 GMT -6
Ls2012, protect your peace. We'll definitely send out a bat signal if something major occurs.
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Minerva
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Post by Minerva on Mar 1, 2022 14:19:44 GMT -6
I'm consuming too much news and think I need to back away a bit, feeling like I've been on the cusp of a panic attack since this started. Can someone tag me if things take a significant turn? Iβm right there with you. Iβm taking a step back this afternoon to clear my head.
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cmb
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Post by cmb on Mar 1, 2022 14:39:19 GMT -6
Iβve been laying low, but just wanted to say thank you to you all.
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Mar 1, 2022 15:25:25 GMT -6
Worth noting, this battle map has Russian troops invading Moldova.
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hawkward
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Post by hawkward on Mar 1, 2022 15:29:49 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 1, 2022 15:56:26 GMT -6
FYI its 255 pm MST Tapper (SOTU) has an interview getting ready to start with Zelenskyy from a bunker
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Post by valiente on Mar 1, 2022 16:01:52 GMT -6
Worth noting, this battle map has Russian troops invading Moldova. Questions: 1. Under what context was this map presented? 2. Why/how is this map available for me to view?
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Post by starbuck on Mar 1, 2022 16:17:10 GMT -6
Worth noting, this battle map has Russian troops invading Moldova. Questions: 1. Under what context was this map presented? 2. Why/how is this map available for me to view? So there are a few articles about this. this one is a good primer as to why we are seeing this. I think there are still questions as to what the fuck they were thinking in allowing this to be recorded and shared. www.businessinsider.com/belarus-lukashenko-revealed-map-russias-ukrainian-invasion-plans-2022-3
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Post by hawkward on Mar 1, 2022 16:26:35 GMT -6
Tangential lightheartedness: when I was a kid I remember watching Belarus on the news (I was a news junkie even then) and I always misheard/thought his name was Lou Pashenko. I was⦠embarrassingly old when I figured it out.
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Post by hawkward on Mar 1, 2022 16:35:14 GMT -6
I donβt know who is in charge of his Twitter but damn. Theyβre striking a good balance of poignant, factual, and brave.
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Post by wildflower on Mar 1, 2022 16:37:14 GMT -6
Regarding Russian troops running out of food and fuel and etc...
I am embarrassingly ignorant about many current worldwide events and political movements. The one niche of recent history I DO feel competent in is the USA and Russian submarine programs during and after the Cold War (my uncle was a submarine officer in the 90s, hence the niche education).
Anyway, absolute Russian incompetence and seeming lack of any planning or preparing was a massive theme and why they lost subs to nuclear meltdowns. People were scared for their lives to say "actually, that won't work" when told to do the physically impossible by the upper brass. So they tried to do it and then blamed someone else for the failures.
It doesn't take a lot for me to assume that not much has changed or been learned in the last 30-40 years as far as Russian military culture and operations.
So yes, I can absolutely believe convoys without fuel and soldiers with expired rations.
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