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Post by elle on Feb 23, 2022 23:34:13 GMT -6
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Post by origami on Feb 23, 2022 23:39:16 GMT -6
Looks like they're being invaded from Belarus now too
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Post by athn64 on Feb 23, 2022 23:42:40 GMT -6
Looks like they're being invaded from Belarus now too Fucking hell. "Military operation" my ass. My heart is with the Ukrainian people.
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Post by origami on Feb 23, 2022 23:46:53 GMT -6
A chuckle but also very legitimate critique
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Post by origami on Feb 23, 2022 23:49:34 GMT -6
My city has been a refugee resettlement site for Ukraine for years and we recently pivoted to afghan refugee resettlement and we were on a very unsettling call yesterday about the potential to pivot back to Ukraine (while still helping afghans) and I'm just sick about it. It's all too much
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Post by jaygee on Feb 24, 2022 0:00:32 GMT -6
This account is a good Twitter follow. She has the credentials and is vetting what she shares. Also recommend Malcolm Nance
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 24, 2022 0:06:28 GMT -6
Looks like they're being invaded from Belarus now too Fuck
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:08:19 GMT -6
This account is a good Twitter follow. She has the credentials and is vetting what she shares. Also recommend Malcolm Nance To this point, if any tweet I posted later turns out to be false and I'm not around, someone mod abuse it. I'm trying to pull from large sources but we all know how the disinformation machine is.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 0:09:12 GMT -6
Lukashenko is tight with Putin, so I don't know why I'm shocked Belarus is joining in. I guess he thinks his relationship would preserve his rule if Putin succeeds in taking over Ukraine.
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:11:10 GMT -6
Lukashenko is tight with Putin, so I don't know why I'm shocked Belarus is joining in. I guess he thinks his relationship would preserve his rule if Putin succeeds in taking over Ukraine. Agreed. I don't know why I believed when he said he'd keep it to eastern Ukraine (not that that's ok). Seeing it across the country and from several borders is frightening.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 0:13:28 GMT -6
Lukashenko is tight with Putin, so I don't know why I'm shocked Belarus is joining in. I guess he thinks his relationship would preserve his rule if Putin succeeds in taking over Ukraine. Agreed. I don't know why I believed when he said he'd keep it to eastern Ukraine (not that that's ok). Seeing it across the country and from several borders is frightening. I suspect he's trying to move swiftly enough that his takeover happens before the rest of the world can react. We had this military intelligence prior though, so I really hope everyone is ready to react just as swiftly. Because next up are the political assassinations/murders and the camps.
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Post by koko on Feb 24, 2022 0:22:27 GMT -6
I should have gone to bed without the late night news check. Are all the calls on Twitter saying this is 1939 Hitler invasion of Poland realistic? I feel like its drawing parallels to provoke a strong reaction? Its ok to call me naive.
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Post by bunnyfungo on Feb 24, 2022 0:23:19 GMT -6
This account is a good Twitter follow. She has the credentials and is vetting what she shares. Also recommend Malcolm Nance This is a new follow for me, but Iβve been following Malcolm Nance for years and just want to second that recommendation.
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:23:22 GMT -6
Agreed. I don't know why I believed when he said he'd keep it to eastern Ukraine (not that that's ok). Seeing it across the country and from several borders is frightening. I suspect he's trying to move swiftly enough that his takeover happens before the rest of the world can react. We had this military intelligence prior though, so I really hope everyone is ready to react just as swiftly. Because next up are the political assassinations/murders and the camps. I do feel good about our level of alarm now. It felt like most outlets last week said biden was being overblown but here we are.
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Post by sassafras83 on Feb 24, 2022 0:24:35 GMT -6
I am trying to sleep but canβt. This is just so awful. Watching air raid sirens going off in Kyiv live on the news was gut wrenching. So many innocent lives will be destroyed.
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Post by sassafras83 on Feb 24, 2022 0:27:19 GMT -6
Agreed. I don't know why I believed when he said he'd keep it to eastern Ukraine (not that that's ok). Seeing it across the country and from several borders is frightening. I suspect he's trying to move swiftly enough that his takeover happens before the rest of the world can react. We had this military intelligence prior though, so I really hope everyone is ready to react just as swiftly. Because next up are the political assassinations/murders and the camps. I am worried for the Ukrainian presidentβs life, as well as the lives of all government officials. They seem to be heading to Kyiv based on the intel on the ground.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 0:31:25 GMT -6
I suspect he's trying to move swiftly enough that his takeover happens before the rest of the world can react. We had this military intelligence prior though, so I really hope everyone is ready to react just as swiftly. Because next up are the political assassinations/murders and the camps. I am worried for the Ukrainian presidentβs life, as well as the lives of all government officials. They seem to be heading to Kyiv based on the intel on the ground. I suspect Zelensky is somewhere else and safe. And least I hope. Biden apparently urged him to leave a few days ago and he refused but I would hope as more Intel came in about the imminent attack and the how's and why's, he would move. It seems clear they're trying to get to the heads of the government first.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 0:31:42 GMT -6
And yes, I also can't sleep.
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 0:32:31 GMT -6
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Post by sassafras83 on Feb 24, 2022 0:33:19 GMT -6
I am worried for the Ukrainian presidentβs life, as well as the lives of all government officials. They seem to be heading to Kyiv based on the intel on the ground. I suspect Zelensky is somewhere else and safe. And least I hope. Biden apparently urged him to leave a few days ago and he refused but I would hope as more Intel came in about the imminent attack and the how's and why's, he would move. It seems clear they're trying to get to the heads of the government first. I really hope so too. Fuck man.
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Post by koko on Feb 24, 2022 0:33:32 GMT -6
I remember hearing that the Biden admin had urged Ukraine's president to head West but with them striking 60m off the Poland border the whole country is unsafe.
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:34:50 GMT -6
elle I just saw that thread and it took my breath away. "If that's not possible lie down and cover your head with your hands." I'm not religious. At all. And I cant help but keep saying may God have mercy on us all.
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:36:36 GMT -6
I should have gone to bed without the late night news check. Are all the calls on Twitter saying this is 1939 Hitler invasion of Poland realistic? I feel like its drawing parallels to provoke a strong reaction? Its ok to call me naive. I think its a delicate dance. On one hand, that parallel likely IS to invoke strong reactions, yes. But, if vlad succeeds in Ukraine he will not stop there.
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Post by sassafras83 on Feb 24, 2022 0:36:59 GMT -6
I remember hearing that the Biden admin had urged Ukraine's president to head West but with them striking 60m off the Poland border the whole country is unsafe. With everything so close to NATO coin tries like Poland my anxiety is spiraling. Obviously what is happening now is horrific enough. If a NATO country is attackedβ¦I just canβt even process.
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Post by athn64 on Feb 24, 2022 0:41:47 GMT -6
I should have gone to bed without the late night news check. Are all the calls on Twitter saying this is 1939 Hitler invasion of Poland realistic? I feel like its drawing parallels to provoke a strong reaction? Its ok to call me naive. There are certain parallels. But I think the response from the other nations will be more telling. The reason Hitler was able to get away with so much is the leaders of other nations assumed he'd stop after he got his "German" lands back. Obviously he didn't, and if the UN and other European nations don't step in, likely the same will happen with Putin. But I don't see them staying out of it like that. We're also able to be informed about all movements much earlier than they were back then, with the internet and global communications.
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Post by origami on Feb 24, 2022 0:42:14 GMT -6
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 1:03:30 GMT -6
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Post by elle on Feb 24, 2022 1:38:16 GMT -6
From the President of the European Commission:
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 24, 2022 2:16:53 GMT -6
I am crying.
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