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Post by jaygee on Mar 1, 2022 8:38:33 GMT -6
One condition of EU membership is the applicant country cannot have any disputed borders - the EU does not want to get drawn into that mess. So I'm guessing this is mostly symbolic, because no way is Russia letting go of Crimea. Either Ukraine settles this conflict and gives up any claim to Crimea or they won't become an EU member. I cannot see the EU making an exception when it comes to a disputed border with Russia. Yikes. Thank you for explaining that. Iβm not very knowledgeable about EU membership and this is very interesting.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 1, 2022 8:43:52 GMT -6
This as an Indian student was killed in Ukraine yesterday. Completely shameful. Absolutely awful. Is that Poland or Ukraine, or both, driving that? I think itβs really hard to tell but a lot of what Iβve read is that itβs happening on the Ukrainian side. Poland is saying they are letting everyone in but it sounds like there are guards on the Ukrainian side that are prioritizing based on race/perceived citizen status. But Iβm being cautious about that because who knows what is going on truly. I think all we know is that there are enough stories of it happening that it seems to be a bad trend.
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Ls2012
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 8:47:04 GMT -6
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 8:48:46 GMT -6
Fuck.
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Post by byjove on Mar 1, 2022 8:48:49 GMT -6
This sounds pretty major
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 8:49:16 GMT -6
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 8:50:39 GMT -6
Without air assistance, I have no idea how Ukraine can combat that massive convoy heading to Kyiv. It's horrifying. We're watching a massive train wreck happen in slow motion, and there's not a damned thing we can do about it.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 1, 2022 8:50:58 GMT -6
Just came across this after I posted.
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Post by fatpony on Mar 1, 2022 8:54:37 GMT -6
I saw a tiktok last night of someone on a military base getting crab legs for dinner, and the duets were vets calling it a morale meal.
https://www.tiktok.com/@babayaga1983/video/7069862918426217770
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Post by crimsonandclover on Mar 1, 2022 8:54:47 GMT -6
crimsonandclover Like Theo said, that's understandable. I'm worn down and I'm not nearly as close to it as you are. Your post yesterday (I think it was yours) explaining how close you are was eye-opening. I know Europe is smaller than the US, but it doesn't always sink in without those comparisons, you know? Thank you β€ Yes, it was me. Like NYC-Chicago. So not close enough that we're going to get hit by an errant missile, but some types of wild mushrooms here are still heavily contaminated with radioactive material from Chernobyl, so... It's not just this whole thing that's gotten to me, it's a combination of this plus work stuff plus kid mental health stuff. Next week I'm supposed to go with the kids for a 3-week retreat paid for by my health insurance to help prevent working moms from burning out. I feel like I'm dragging myself to the finish line right now, and if one of us gets Covid before then and we can't go, I'm going to scream for 3 weeks straight. Anyway, my first-world pity party is over. Thank you all for your understanding and if anyone feels like I'm insulting them or being short with them, there's a 99.9% chance I just didn't express myself correctly. Now back to the real problems in the world.
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Post by babybean on Mar 1, 2022 9:05:00 GMT -6
dc2london, the fuck to that poor man being pulled off. I donated to the links shared yesterday, but need to find more on how to get BIPOC folks out of Ukraine. linktr.ee/ksvarnonThereβs government and non-government resources here, and some of the accounts linked you can follow to other places that are advocating and providing assistance. @nigeriansleavingukraine on IG. @khalsa_aid on IG. Itβs hard not being able to actually *do* anything beyond raising awareness and donating what we can.
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Post by richard on Mar 1, 2022 9:05:36 GMT -6
Without air assistance, I have no idea how Ukraine can combat that massive convoy heading to Kyiv. It's horrifying. We're watching a massive train wreck happen in slow motion, and there's not a damned thing we can do about it. From what I've seen, most of the Ukrainian attacks on the Russian convoys have been by drone. Also, I don't know that it's fully clear yet what they meant.
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 9:10:09 GMT -6
Without air assistance, I have no idea how Ukraine can combat that massive convoy heading to Kyiv. It's horrifying. We're watching a massive train wreck happen in slow motion, and there's not a damned thing we can do about it. From what I've seen, most of the Ukrainian attacks on the Russian convoys have been by drone. Also, I don't know that it's fully clear yet what they meant. It's hard to believe they have enough drone capability to diffuse what's coming. I hope they do. I hope assistance comes rapidly.
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Post by richard on Mar 1, 2022 9:10:14 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 9:17:12 GMT -6
From what I've seen, most of the Ukrainian attacks on the Russian convoys have been by drone. Also, I don't know that it's fully clear yet what they meant. It's hard to believe they have enough drone capability to diffuse what's coming. I hope they do. I hope assistance comes rapidly. My understanding is that they have drones but they're pretty old and clunky, but it was considered surprising that Russian forces weren't even trying to shoot them down
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Post by clucky on Mar 1, 2022 9:17:40 GMT -6
Apologies if this has been shared, Iβm catching up and this is from yesterday. Media prepared and approved with assumptions of a quick takeover.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 9:18:08 GMT -6
I think this might be the crux
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Post by byjove on Mar 1, 2022 9:21:23 GMT -6
In case this is useful to anyone here
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2022 9:22:56 GMT -6
clucky the "divided and humiliated west" makes me chuckle, even though it shouldn't. I think this is the most unified I've seen all of Europe and the Americas in a long time, to help suffocate Russia's effort in the best way possible without actually starting a full world war (I know you know that, I am just speaking to that sentence).
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Post by cnf on Mar 1, 2022 9:26:37 GMT -6
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 9:30:35 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 9:42:57 GMT -6
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2022 9:47:04 GMT -6
My heart feels heavy for the Russian citizens who want nothing to do with this conflict. They are suffering in so many ways too, and I hate that this will result in Russian discrimination across Europe and America.
Also the stories about POC being denied entry to trains is just so chillingly similar to what we've read about WWII and Jewish people. I know the context is different, but still. I really hope that gets rectified asap.
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Post by jkjacq on Mar 1, 2022 9:55:58 GMT -6
I will love him forever for showing up to a congressional hearing and tearing apart Tipper Gore's theory that music makes people 'bad'
Al was not impressed with him.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 10:16:00 GMT -6
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 10:23:12 GMT -6
Looking for confirmation, but π
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2022 10:27:49 GMT -6
Ls2012 My H and I were talking about that last night. How we wondered, based on info coming out about Russian soldiers being blindsided about what they were expected to do, whether many would surrender just to avoid getting killed. I saw some video on Reddit a day or two ago where a tank of Russians surrendered peacefully so I was curious if that would continue.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 1, 2022 10:28:04 GMT -6
Looking for confirmation, but π I just saw this same Intel from another Reuters correspondent. Also
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Post by Ls2012 on Mar 1, 2022 10:33:08 GMT -6
Ls2012 My H and I were talking about that last night. How we wondered, based on info coming out about Russian soldiers being blindsided about what they were expected to do, whether many would surrender just to avoid getting killed. I saw some video on Reddit a day or two ago where a tank of Russians surrendered peacefully so I was curious if that would continue. I've been wondering about all the abandoned/ stolen tanks, if Ukrainians were able to fuel them up and use them to defend Kyiv. I'm sure they're making use of them somehow, but I'm curious.
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Post by willow on Mar 1, 2022 10:36:57 GMT -6
I also am wondering if Zelensky has slept at all in the last 6 days.
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