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Post by brux on Feb 27, 2022 8:01:09 GMT -6
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 27, 2022 8:03:53 GMT -6
ICJ: Russia does not recognize the ICJ as being able to make compulsory decisions about it. Ukraine would have to get Russia to agree to let the ICJ settle a specific issue covered in a treaty to which both Russia and Ukraine are parties. There are several that could work here, but it's unlikely Russia will agree to ICJ decisions.
Musk: holy crap, I don't like the guy, but that us super helpful
Putin has just activated its nuclear forces bc of "NATO aggression on its borders". The political scientist in me is still pretty relaxed, saying that this is standard posturing. The mother in me living fairly close to where all this is happening (I think I'm the closest of us?) is getting extremely anxious. ☹
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Post by byjove on Feb 27, 2022 8:10:15 GMT -6
Curious how this will go. Not expecting it to do much.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:12:10 GMT -6
ICJ: Russia does not recognize the ICJ as being able to make compulsory decisions about it. Ukraine would have to get Russia to agree to let the ICJ settle a specific issue covered in a treaty to which both Russia and Ukraine are parties. There are several that could work here, but it's unlikely Russia will agree to ICJ decisions. Musk: holy crap, I don't like the guy, but that us super helpful Putin has just activated its nuclear forces bc of "NATO aggression on its borders". The political scientist in me is still pretty relaxed, saying that this is standard posturing. The mother in me living fairly close to where all this is happening (I think I'm the closest of us?) is getting extremely anxious. ☹ I don’t blame you. I go back and forth between “there are all these guardrails in place to prevent the worst” to “Quit fucking with the guardrails Putin!!” in a matter of seconds and I’m not in Europe.
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:18:01 GMT -6
I just read something about now having to consider the risks of Putin failing in addition to the risks of his succeeding and that’s what I was trying to get at before.
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Post by byjove on Feb 27, 2022 8:19:23 GMT -6
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Post by sudsy on Feb 27, 2022 8:25:13 GMT -6
I came here because you all are smarter than me, and I apologized if this was asked previously. Can someone explain what SWIFT is to me as if I were 10 years old? And how will this affect Russia? I’m confused and haven’t really seen it explained in the news. I just know it’s a good thing for Russia’s access to be taken away.
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Post by byjove on Feb 27, 2022 8:25:56 GMT -6
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Post by cnf on Feb 27, 2022 8:27:45 GMT -6
philo, my very limited understanding is that swift is basically like an old fashioned telephone operator board- they connect one bank to another so a financial transaction can be made. By taking Russian banks off the board there’s way to make that connection so no 20th/21st century to move money to or from or through any account that exists at one of the banned banks, sudsy It's basically how countries move money between themselves and international banks, from what I gather. Cutting them off means they can't get financial help from others, but also can't get a lot of their own money out of banks that are in the SWIFT system. At least that's what I've kind of pieces together from everything I've seen. I may be off base.
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Post by lucylou on Feb 27, 2022 8:28:12 GMT -6
Curious how this will go. Not expecting it to do much. I’m thinking a lot about this. I think best case (but very unlikely) scenario, Putin has regrets so maybe he’s using “negotiations” as a way to end this and save face. And then, “see, we said all along we just wanted peaceful negations; idk why Ukraine insisted on dragging this out.” Even if the Ukraine tells them to F themselves he could spin it to his people, “they’ve agreed to stop the genocide. You’re welcome” Or some BS. Less than 1% of me thinks this is how it will go; but one can hope.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:30:09 GMT -6
philo, my very limited understanding is that swift is basically like an old fashioned telephone operator board- they connect one bank to another so a financial transaction can be made. By taking Russian banks off the board there’s way to make that connection so no 20th/21st century to move money to or from or through any account that exists at one of the banned banks, sudsy It's basically how countries move money between themselves and international banks, from what I gather. Cutting them off means they can't get financial help from others, but also can't get a lot of their own money out of banks that are in the SWIFT system. At least that's what I've kind of pieces together from everything I've seen. I may be off base. I don’t think it’s technically the system that moves the money but the messaging system that banks use to securely contact each other about money moving.
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Post by cnf on Feb 27, 2022 8:34:43 GMT -6
sudsy It's basically how countries move money between themselves and international banks, from what I gather. Cutting them off means they can't get financial help from others, but also can't get a lot of their own money out of banks that are in the SWIFT system. At least that's what I've kind of pieces together from everything I've seen. I may be off base. I don’t think it’s technically the system that moves the money but the messaging system that banks use to securely contact each other about money moving. Gotcha! I figured I wasn't totally right, so thank you
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Post by lucylou on Feb 27, 2022 8:36:13 GMT -6
sudsy I heard it described as the gmail of international banking. As an example- A journalist in Moscow said the hotel asked him to settle his bill early because they weren’t sure if his credit card payment would process after it went into effect.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:36:24 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s technically the system that moves the money but the messaging system that banks use to securely contact each other about money moving. Gotcha! I figured I wasn't totally right, so thank you I read one article about it so I now consider myself an expert. 😂
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Post by cnf on Feb 27, 2022 8:39:39 GMT -6
Gotcha! I figured I wasn't totally right, so thank you I read one article about it so I now consider myself an expert. 😂 Well we all became virologist and epidemiologists over the last two years in the same fashion. May as well add international banking and financial expert to our Google CV, lol 😂
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:39:48 GMT -6
Nevermind! I see there’s a whole post about it already.
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Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 8:50:07 GMT -6
Financial move on Germany's part. I thought the entire article was a reasonable primer to me about Germany's stance on defense spending in the last few decades. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Sunday announced a major increase in the country’s defense spending, potentially marking one of the most significant changes in decades to the country’s post-World War II approach to international security that could upend European defense policy. Germany, Europe’s biggest economy and the most populous nation in the E.U., had long frustrated the United States and allies across the continent with its hesitation to invest more in its military. Its stance obstructed numerous attempts to formulate a more ambitious European security strategy, including repeated efforts from French President Emmanuel Macron to form a European army. But speaking in the German parliament on Sunday, Scholz called Russia’s attack on Ukraine “a turning point in the history of our continent” and announced a set of new measures. The German military will receive a one-off additional payment of over $110 billion, he said — about twice the amount of Germany’s defense budget last year. Scholz also committed to exceeding the NATO defense spending target of 2 percent of GDP “from now on, every year.” Last year Germany spent an estimated 1.53 percent of its annual economic output on defense, well below the 2 percent NATO target. “We are not only striving for this goal because we have promised our friends and allies that we will increase our defense spending to 2 percent of our economic output by 2024, but we do this for ourselves, too, for our own safety,” Scholz said. The plans will still need to be approved by lawmakers, but there appeared to be widespread support for them on Sunday. The sea change in Germany’s defense policy comes amid widespread shock over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine..... www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-dramatic-shift-germany-announces-vast-defense-spending-increase-that-may-upend-european-security-policy/ar-AAUna0o?ocid=msedgntp
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 27, 2022 8:50:22 GMT -6
I read one article about it so I now consider myself an expert. 😂 Well we all became virologist and epidemiologists over the last two years in the same fashion. May as well add international banking and financial expert to our Google CV, lol 😂 I would very much like to not add another huge thing to my internet CV for say the next five years or so. My brain can’t hold much more and I’ll have to delete the 80s song lyrics that reside there. 😂
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Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 8:52:04 GMT -6
Don't forget military strategists to that CV.
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 8:54:39 GMT -6
Thread from a NPR correspondent. I’ve seen other threads about Russians not having the logistical support they would need for food, fuel, etc.
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Post by clucky on Feb 27, 2022 8:56:29 GMT -6
I came here because you all are smarter than me, and I apologized if this was asked previously. Can someone explain what SWIFT is to me as if I were 10 years old? And how will this affect Russia? I’m confused and haven’t really seen it explained in the news. I just know it’s a good thing for Russia’s access to be taken away. Velshi on MSNBC just did a very ELI5 breakdown on SWIFT. I will see if I can find it.
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Post by kbw on Feb 27, 2022 8:59:03 GMT -6
Am I the only one who is concerned about an in person meeting and what Russia may try to pull ala poisoning or something of that nature to the Ukrainians?
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Post by jaygee on Feb 27, 2022 8:59:10 GMT -6
I feel like I’m a bit of an exhausting person and bring threads down a lot, and I do apologize for that. I know I’m very sensitive and emotional, I will try to reign it in. I say this with love and respect, please do not apologize or dim your light, especially not here. You are bringing up important issues and a perspective that is valued. And it’s your view of the world and current events. We all get to share that here. Even in my own post and mind, my whiteness was making me gloss over it. Like “hopefully it will be ok” or thinking it’s a one off because of the situation and not some sign of larger systemic problems. Because I can. So I need to read and listen to you and dig deeper on this.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 27, 2022 9:06:15 GMT -6
Curious how this will go. Not expecting it to do much. I do not like this. Belarus is not anything close to neutral ground. Can't this happen in some safe place? I know Zelenskyy does not want to leave Ukraine, but this sounds like a trap.
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Post by TheoV2 on Feb 27, 2022 9:10:42 GMT -6
Curious how this will go. Not expecting it to do much. I do not like this. Belarus is not anything close to neutral ground. Can't this happen in some safe place? I know Zelenskyy does not want to leave Ukraine, but this sounds like a trap. The impression I got is that it would not be Zelenskyy himself going, but a delegation from Ukraine.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 27, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -6
Omfg
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richard
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 9:16:26 GMT -6
I don’t believe that Zelensky is personally going. Not that the people in the delegation don’t matter but I think Putin’s agreed to the talks to use their failure as a pretext for what comes next. A Red Wedding type event is not that.
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Post by willow on Feb 27, 2022 9:18:45 GMT -6
I do not like this. Belarus is not anything close to neutral ground. Can't this happen in some safe place? I know Zelenskyy does not want to leave Ukraine, but this sounds like a trap. The impression I got is that it would not be Zelenskyy himself going, but a delegation from Ukraine. This is how I interpreted it too. It would be a bit reckless to send in Russia’s number one target to negotiations.
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 9:21:22 GMT -6
Wow. 2/3rds of its combat power is way more than I would’ve guessed.
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Post by clucky on Feb 27, 2022 9:25:34 GMT -6
I came here because you all are smarter than me, and I apologized if this was asked previously. Can someone explain what SWIFT is to me as if I were 10 years old? And how will this affect Russia? I’m confused and haven’t really seen it explained in the news. I just know it’s a good thing for Russia’s access to be taken away. Velshi on MSNBC just did a very ELI5 breakdown on SWIFT. I will see if I can find it. Couldn’t find, so I recorded it and trimmed as best I could ( sudsy)
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