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Post by 4speedy on Feb 26, 2022 20:07:30 GMT -6
News footage here is not as sanitized as in the US. There is a not insubstantial amount of footage of dead Russians and it is intense. Where are you and what channel do you watch? I would like to try to find a non-American streaming channel or app to watch.
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Post by origami on Feb 26, 2022 20:10:14 GMT -6
This thread brings me great joy
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Post by origami on Feb 26, 2022 20:16:01 GMT -6
And with love, I think there is a bit of misplaced panic and aggrandizing of Putin going on in here. Is he smarter than TFG? Who isn't? But is he smart? Ehhhhh.
He's about pomp, not plans. Hes also a legit psychopath. I don't think there are master maneuvers at play. I think he miscalculated who would be standing by his side. Also sanctions seem like nothing to us but they aren't nothing and the sanctions brought down today we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Russia didn't have much money before, now they have basicLly none. Will it hurt regular Russians? Yep. Will it hurt the oligarchs? Yes as well. They are global pariahs now and everyone is on the look out for them and their stuff. Rich people don't like to be uncomfortable and there is only one man at fault for that discomfort.
Will I eat my words? Perhaps, but I think getting people spinning out on doomsday is part of his propaganda. He's a house of cards of one, and at the moment it looks like there's a really big breeze coming up.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 26, 2022 20:31:13 GMT -6
And with love, I think there is a bit of misplaced panic and aggrandizing of Putin going on in here. Is he smarter than TFG? Who isn't? But is he smart? Ehhhhh. He's about pomp, not plans. Hes also a legit psychopath. I don't think there are master maneuvers at play. I think he miscalculated who would be standing by his side. Also sanctions seem like nothing to us but they aren't nothing and the sanctions brought down today we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Russia didn't have much money before, now they have basicLly none. Will it hurt regular Russians? Yep. Will it hurt the oligarchs? Yes as well. They are global pariahs now and everyone is on the look out for them and their stuff. Rich people don't like to be uncomfortable and there is only one man at fault for that discomfort. Will I eat my words? Perhaps, but I think getting people spinning out on doomsday is part of his propaganda. He's a house of cards of one, and at the moment it looks like there's a really big breeze coming up. I reeaaallly want to believe this. I truly do. I'm just going to blame my previous thoughts on his plans/movements on that aforementioned gen x/wargames mindset.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 26, 2022 20:37:28 GMT -6
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Post by origami on Feb 26, 2022 20:46:50 GMT -6
And with love, I think there is a bit of misplaced panic and aggrandizing of Putin going on in here. Is he smarter than TFG? Who isn't? But is he smart? Ehhhhh. He's about pomp, not plans. Hes also a legit psychopath. I don't think there are master maneuvers at play. I think he miscalculated who would be standing by his side. Also sanctions seem like nothing to us but they aren't nothing and the sanctions brought down today we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Russia didn't have much money before, now they have basicLly none. Will it hurt regular Russians? Yep. Will it hurt the oligarchs? Yes as well. They are global pariahs now and everyone is on the look out for them and their stuff. Rich people don't like to be uncomfortable and there is only one man at fault for that discomfort. Will I eat my words? Perhaps, but I think getting people spinning out on doomsday is part of his propaganda. He's a house of cards of one, and at the moment it looks like there's a really big breeze coming up. I reeaaallly want to believe this. I truly do. I'm just going to blame my previous thoughts on his plans/movements on that aforementioned gen x/wargames mindset. I feel you girl. I really do. But I think we can take comfort in that this is the same playbook as his installation of TFG and we are VERY familiar with that bullshit. He needs the world to fret and worry in order to keep power. Namely, he needed Ukraine and the rest of Europe to do that and instead they called his bluff. We have to face the bogeyman to see who he really is, and Ukrainians have truly shown us how.
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Post by athn64 on Feb 26, 2022 21:09:50 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Feb 26, 2022 21:47:49 GMT -6
I’m seeing a lot of talk about Black Ukrainians being disallowed from getting on transit leaving the country for safety. Including Black women and children. I’m not surprised, but this has my stomach in knots. Eta: some saying they’ve gotten on and been forcibly removed. I’ve seen similar reports about African citizens trying to evacuate from Ukraine. (Sorry for not being more specific but the stuff I read was not specific). Poland says it is letting everyone in but the reports said on the Ukraine side they were saying preference goes to Ukrainian citizens and it sounds like there was some assumptions that Black people were not. I’m sure it’s just pure chaos but I hope that part gets sorted out because yikes.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 26, 2022 21:49:12 GMT -6
In a weird spot of positive news, there are preliminary reports that the 13 defenders of Snake Island are still alive. Really? Gosh I hope this is true. Their fate has been haunting me.
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Post by Ls2012 on Feb 26, 2022 22:15:34 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 26, 2022 22:45:23 GMT -6
Pamela Brown CNN broke down almost on air earlier Reports from them at the border are They are not allowing Ukrainian men 18-60 leave the country. A young child was among causality today The women whose tweet DC linked yesterday was describing how they are teaching the kids to ‘play turtle’. Lay on their belly and close their eyes and cover their ears.
I had to change to mindless tv.
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Post by athn64 on Feb 26, 2022 22:49:24 GMT -6
Pamela Brown CNN broke down almost on air earlier Reports from them at the border are They are not allowing Ukrainian men 18-60 leave the country. A young child was among causality today The women whose tweet DC linked yesterday was describing how they are teaching the kids to ‘play turtle’. Lay on their belly and close their eyes and cover their ears. I had to change to mindless tv. All of this is awful. I wish they would allow the men to leave too. Some of them just want to be with their families, and that should be allowed.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 26, 2022 22:52:27 GMT -6
Y'all watch your mental health. 45, COVID, now this...the past 6 years or so have not been kind.
Remember to breathe. Remember to hug your loved ones. Look for the light. It's still there. 🌻
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Post by jaygee on Feb 26, 2022 23:01:24 GMT -6
Y'all watch your mental health. 45, COVID, now this...the past 6 years or so have not been kind. Remember to breathe. Remember to hug your loved ones. Look for the light. It's still there. 🌻 I think the access to information is really high and that’s a good thing on some levels but takes a toll on mental health. I’m going to try to take a day break tomorrow. I’m feeling overwhelmed
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 27, 2022 2:20:23 GMT -6
That's not a good thing. What's the predicted fallout from this? Nothing. (That's meant to be a reassuring, clear "nothing," not a blunt, rude one.) As all western citizens, I'm sure these Greeks were given warnings and told how dangerous it would be. Citizens of NATO countries caught in the crossfire in a war is not a reason to invoke article 5.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 27, 2022 2:27:59 GMT -6
My heart is in my throat at the thought of other nations joining the fight. Both because I am terrified for Ukraine and they need help and because I am afraid of this exploding into WWIII. They're sending heavy artillery to "a place of Ukraine's choosing" and a few hundred troops to Romania. Again, everyone (in the West; if Putin starts to look like he's losing, I don't know how unpredictable he'll act) is going to be very careful not to have NATO troops directly confront Russian troops.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 27, 2022 2:54:22 GMT -6
My heart is in my throat at the thought of other nations joining the fight. Both because I am terrified for Ukraine and they need help and because I am afraid of this exploding into WWIII. They're sending heavy artillery to "a place of Ukraine's choosing" and a few hundred troops to Romania. Again, everyone (in the West; if Putin starts to look like he's losing, I don't know how unpredictable he'll act) is going to be very careful not to have NATO troops directly confront Russian troops. right. Portugal's entire military is like 30,000 people. I realllllllly doubt if anyone is throwing troops into Ukraine it would be Portugal first. we just don't have tons of artillery or machinery to give, but well trained soldiers we do have.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 27, 2022 2:56:17 GMT -6
News footage here is not as sanitized as in the US. There is a not insubstantial amount of footage of dead Russians and it is intense. Where are you and what channel do you watch? I would like to try to find a non-American streaming channel or app to watch. I'm in Portugal. It's our state news RTP, but I've also seen footage on a France24. They are more likely to have an actual streaming site than our news.
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Post by elle on Feb 27, 2022 4:01:39 GMT -6
I almost don't want to add this here, but maybe we all could use the distraction because this is kind of amazing.
And don't forget the comedy sketch where he played the piano with his penis (no nudity). 😆
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Post by babybean on Feb 27, 2022 4:48:59 GMT -6
I’m seeing a lot of talk about Black Ukrainians being disallowed from getting on transit leaving the country for safety. Including Black women and children. I’m not surprised, but this has my stomach in knots. Eta: some saying they’ve gotten on and been forcibly removed. I’ve seen similar reports about African citizens trying to evacuate from Ukraine. (Sorry for not being more specific but the stuff I read was not specific). Poland says it is letting everyone in but the reports said on the Ukraine side they were saying preference goes to Ukrainian citizens and it sounds like there was some assumptions that Black people were not. I’m sure it’s just pure chaos but I hope that part gets sorted out because yikes. I know Poland is getting praise right now, but they’ve been building a border wall to keep asylum seekers out that even goes through protected forest. I have a lot of mixed feelings because I’m so grateful some citizens are being welcomed, but BIPOC Ukrainians and international students are being cast aside during this time of crisis. They’re welcoming pets with open arms but not all human beings? My heart can’t take this. I know I bring up race often, but this wasn’t even something I considered happening because it’s so evil. Then of course I spiral thinking about Yemen and Palestine and Somalia and Syria etc, and how we’re so desensitized to BIPOC pain and suffering that these places don’t get substantial coverage and (general) we turn a blind eye. Obviously we can care about more than one issue at once, and I don’t really like doing the “what about xyz”, but It’s an overwhelming reality.
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Post by babybean on Feb 27, 2022 4:59:19 GMT -6
I feel like I’m a bit of an exhausting person and bring threads down a lot, and I do apologize for that. I know I’m very sensitive and emotional, I will try to reign it in.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 27, 2022 5:14:20 GMT -6
I feel like I’m a bit of an exhausting person and bring threads down a lot, and I do apologize for that. I know I’m very sensitive and emotional, I will try to reign it in. you do not need to apologize. You have nothing to apologize for. This isn't exactly a sunshine thread to begin with - dwts aside. It's a reality that these countries have huge issues with race and ethnic origin and it's important to highlight to ensure that where we can use our voices we do so for all people. Before this i had no idea the Ukraine had a growing community of Nigerians. But now I know and we can push out leaders to take actions for all. Because you are right we are desensitized and if not discussed we wouldn't think of it. Which is terrible, but true.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 27, 2022 5:16:23 GMT -6
And Poland is getting raise hut we should all remember that they are struggling through the growth of far right nationalism which people are actively protesting. They are doing what's practical here, but they too have am authoritarianism problem.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 27, 2022 7:09:15 GMT -6
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Post by clucky on Feb 27, 2022 7:13:31 GMT -6
snip I had to change to mindless tv. You’re not alone. I’ve been binging on Love is Blind Japan. Since I do not speak Japanese, I have to actively read the captions, which keeps me from scrolling the news and Twitter.
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Post by clucky on Feb 27, 2022 7:38:10 GMT -6
Can someone ELI5? What the consequences of this would be?
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Post by coconutbacon on Feb 27, 2022 7:38:16 GMT -6
This is really concerning.
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Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 7:48:18 GMT -6
Turkey may be getting ready to close Black Sea to Russia ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey called Russia's invasion of Ukraine a "war" on Sunday in a rhetorical shift that could pave the way for the NATO member nation to enact an international pact limiting Russian naval passage to the Black Sea. Under the 1936 Montreux Convention, Turkey has control over the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits that connect the Mediterranean and Black seas and can limit the passage of warships during wartime or if threatened. www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-02-27/turkey-overseeing-passage-to-black-sea-calls-russian-invasion-warI saw a WSJ report that Russia is stationing LNG ships in the Baltic Then this 29 day old story about Australia prepping to ship LNG to Europe if necessary - looks like the US was working with supplies in anticipation One of the world’s top liquefied natural gas exporters, Australia, says it is ready to ship LNG cargoes to Europe to “support its friends and allies,” as the U.S. is looking to raise alternative gas supply in case a Russian invasion of Ukraine disrupts Russia’s gas supply to Europe. The U.S. Administration is in talks with energy companies and major gas-producing countries globally about the potential for a large supply of natural gas to Europe in case Russian deliveries are interrupted. Russia, which supplies over one-third of the natural gas that Europe consumes, could weaponize gas deliveries if the West imposes sanctions on Moscow over a possible invasion of Ukraine, European allies of the United States fear. In addition, in the event of military action and subsequent energy sanctions against Russia, Europe would be the first and hardest hit, including in its gas supply from Russian gas monopoly Gazprom, analysts say. The White House is dealing with logistical challenges in its efforts to secure alternative natural gas supply to Europe, Press Secretary Jen Psaki said earlier this week oilprice.com/Energy/Gas-Prices/Australia-Ready-To-Ship-LNG-To-Europe-Amid-Russia-Ukraine-Crisis.html
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Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 7:50:58 GMT -6
This one did make me 😬. I’ve been nervous about longer-term economic impacts but I think we’re getting to the point of no return in terms of ever being able to go back to “normal” with Putin when he does stuff like this. And that makes me nervous about how this all plays out.
Not that I think he’ll use nukes but more that with threats like these he doesn’t have any off-ramps and then what?
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Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 7:51:15 GMT -6
Elon Musk gets a lot of side eyes from people, but this act may be very helpful re Starlink excerpt Starlink is Available in Ukraine Several hours after the post, Musk replied directly to Fedorov, letting him understand that he had reacted and that no doubt the lag time between the query and his response was due to the fact that he wanted to provide a practical solution to the problem that was posed to him. "Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route," Musk replied. As many comments to the billionaire's post pointed out, by allowing Ukrainians access to Starlink, one of the fastest, most robust satellite internet systems, Musk and his company SpaceX make it impossible for Russia to disable the Ukrainian internet access fully without cyber attacking foreign data centers..... www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/elon-musk-makes-an-important-gesture-toward-ukraine/ar-AAUmgUI?ocid=msedgntp
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