Ls2012
Amethyst
Posts: 7,378 Likes: 32,706
|
Post by Ls2012 on Feb 27, 2022 9:26:15 GMT -6
The impression I got is that it would not be Zelenskyy himself going, but a delegation from Ukraine. This is how I interpreted it too. It would be a bit reckless to send in Russiaβs number one target to negotiations. I mean that it feels like a trap no matter who goes in representation.
|
|
willow
Ruby
Posts: 19,999 Likes: 128,049
|
Post by willow on Feb 27, 2022 9:31:13 GMT -6
This is how I interpreted it too. It would be a bit reckless to send in Russiaβs number one target to negotiations. I mean that it feels like a trap no matter who goes in representation. Agreed. It certainly doesnβt seem sincere at all.
|
|
Bluebird
Amethyst
Posts: 6,445 Likes: 22,422
|
Post by Bluebird on Feb 27, 2022 9:34:46 GMT -6
A former colleague of mine is from Belarus. She told me one day about how she and her H were able to leave that country, but that their families are still there, and things are really bad. They havenβt been able to see family in years, and have no idea when they would be able to again. The latest news about Belarus in all this makes me think of her and her family. βΉοΈ
|
|
richard
Emerald
Posts: 13,699 Likes: 128,724
|
Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 9:43:08 GMT -6
It would be more in Putinβs interest to have someone from the Belarusian delegation killed and blame it on the Ukrainians TBH.
|
|
addymac
Emerald
Posts: 12,809 Likes: 54,751
|
Post by addymac on Feb 27, 2022 9:46:15 GMT -6
It would be more in Putinβs interest to have someone from the Belarusian delegation killed and blame it on the Ukrainians TBH. You shut your whore mouth. Jk but omg donβt put that into the universe. Also though can someone like SEAL Team 6 Putin and his comrades plz.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,785 Likes: 94,686
|
Post by jkjacq on Feb 27, 2022 9:49:37 GMT -6
It would be more in Putinβs interest to have someone from the Belarusian delegation killed and blame it on the Ukrainians TBH. Yup. It would be see they are hostile and we came in good faith. I donβt think it (the disinformation) would work but Putin is still working his kgb muscle memory.
|
|
richard
Emerald
Posts: 13,699 Likes: 128,724
|
Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 9:51:46 GMT -6
It would be more in Putinβs interest to have someone from the Belarusian delegation killed and blame it on the Ukrainians TBH. You shut your whore mouth. Jk but omg donβt put that into the universe. Also though can someone like SEAL Team 6 Putin and his comrades plz. Fake terrorist attacks by Ukraine as a pretext was something the IC was warning about last week. I obviously donβt want anything like that to happen. Iβm just saying Putin needs less solidarity behind Ukraine and more support in his country/allies. Harming a Ukrainian peace delegation is not going to help with that.
|
|
Ls2012
Amethyst
Posts: 7,378 Likes: 32,706
|
Post by Ls2012 on Feb 27, 2022 10:00:22 GMT -6
Anne Applebaum is in my head.
|
|
|
Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 10:06:43 GMT -6
I would like to think this story was reported exactly as it occurred. Also hoping Oleg and his family stay safe for a long time to come. ... The Russian head of delegation at a major UN climate conference apologised for his country's invasion of Ukraine on Sunday, which he said lacked justification, according to several sources who heard him speak at the virtual meeting. The surprise intervention from Russiaβs Oleg Anisimov at the closed-door meeting followed an electrifying live statement from his Ukranian counterpart, Svitlana Krakovska, who spoke passionately about her country's plight. "Let me present an apology on behalf of all Russians not able to prevent this conflict," Anisimov said at the closing plenary of the virtual, 195-nation forum, according to three sources who heard him speak. Delegates and observers to the sometimes fraught meetings, which had been scheduled to end Friday, were stunned by the back-to-back statements Sunday, according to half-a-dozen participants. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-official-apologises-for-war-in-ukraine-at-un-climate-meet/ar-AAUnm3Y?ocid=msedgntp
|
|
|
Post by hawkeye2015 on Feb 27, 2022 10:13:24 GMT -6
This is incredibly smart but also the humane thing to do.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 10:23:28 GMT -6
Someone shared this article with me. I'm not familiar with this defense industry outlet. But this caught my eye. βIf you watch interrogations of the captured Russian servicemen soldiers that are invading Ukraine right now, many of them, if not most of themβ¦they say they have not been informed by their leadership why and where they're going,β Prokopenko said on a German Marshall Fund program. A Russian veterans group called the Committee for Soldiers' Mothers echoed that claim on Friday, adding that Russian conscripts are writing home in shock at finding themselves on the frontlinesβwhere Russian law says only volunteer troops are supposed to be. www.defenseone.com/technology/2022/02/russia-cracks-down-harder-media-facebook-protests-sweep-russia/362478/Similar to this, Iβm starting to see mutterings that people who know about this stuff is surprised about the shape Russiaβs military is in. I mean, itβs way too early and no one wants to say it out loud but could it be that they are really not prepared and Putin is not well informed or delusional on that point? A big part of his problem is that everyone is afraid to tell him anything he doesn't like. A lot of informed speculation is that nobody made clear to him what a disaster this would be for Russia and for Putin himself. He's also been increasingly isolated for going on 2 years because he is petrified of getting covid.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,785 Likes: 94,686
|
Post by jkjacq on Feb 27, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -6
So yβall what happens after? We just keep handling Putin with kid gloves? I mean yes heβll be a pariah but a pariah with nukes.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 10:35:27 GMT -6
And with love, I think there is a bit of misplaced panic and aggrandizing of Putin going on in here. Is he smarter than TFG? Who isn't? But is he smart? Ehhhhh. He's about pomp, not plans. Hes also a legit psychopath. I don't think there are master maneuvers at play. I think he miscalculated who would be standing by his side. Also sanctions seem like nothing to us but they aren't nothing and the sanctions brought down today we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Russia didn't have much money before, now they have basicLly none. Will it hurt regular Russians? Yep. Will it hurt the oligarchs? Yes as well. They are global pariahs now and everyone is on the look out for them and their stuff. Rich people don't like to be uncomfortable and there is only one man at fault for that discomfort. Will I eat my words? Perhaps, but I think getting people spinning out on doomsday is part of his propaganda. He's a house of cards of one, and at the moment it looks like there's a really big breeze coming up. I completely agree with this and for what my two cents are worth, I don't see Putin sending a bunch of Russian kids to get milled just so he can send in the real muscle later. Even if temporarily, it would make him look weak and incompetent and there is nothing he hates more.
|
|
richard
Emerald
Posts: 13,699 Likes: 128,724
|
Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 10:39:41 GMT -6
I could not be a dictator who limits news. I would want to know what everyone was up to. Too nosy.
|
|
richard
Emerald
Posts: 13,699 Likes: 128,724
|
Post by richard on Feb 27, 2022 10:40:38 GMT -6
I would have burner Twitter accounts going.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 10:42:16 GMT -6
I feel like Iβm a bit of an exhausting person and bring threads down a lot, and I do apologize for that. I know Iβm very sensitive and emotional, I will try to reign it in. Absolutely not. Do not ever change.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 10:49:07 GMT -6
Financial move on Germany's part. I thought the entire article was a reasonable primer to me about Germany's stance on defense spending in the last few decades. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Sunday announced a major increase in the countryβs defense spending, potentially marking one of the most significant changes in decades to the countryβs post-World War II approach to international security that could upend European defense policy. Germany, Europeβs biggest economy and the most populous nation in the E.U., had long frustrated the United States and allies across the continent with its hesitation to invest more in its military. Its stance obstructed numerous attempts to formulate a more ambitious European security strategy, including repeated efforts from French President Emmanuel Macron to form a European army. But speaking in the German parliament on Sunday, Scholz called Russiaβs attack on Ukraine βa turning point in the history of our continentβ and announced a set of new measures. The German military will receive a one-off additional payment of over $110 billion, he said β about twice the amount of Germanyβs defense budget last year. Scholz also committed to exceeding the NATO defense spending target of 2 percent of GDP βfrom now on, every year.β Last year Germany spent an estimated 1.53 percent of its annual economic output on defense, well below the 2 percent NATO target. βWe are not only striving for this goal because we have promised our friends and allies that we will increase our defense spending to 2 percent of our economic output by 2024, but we do this for ourselves, too, for our own safety,β Scholz said. The plans will still need to be approved by lawmakers, but there appeared to be widespread support for them on Sunday. The sea change in Germanyβs defense policy comes amid widespread shock over Russiaβs invasion of Ukraine..... www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-dramatic-shift-germany-announces-vast-defense-spending-increase-that-may-upend-european-security-policy/ar-AAUna0o?ocid=msedgntpTFG is going to be so mad π€£π€£π€£π€£
|
|
|
Post by hawkeye2015 on Feb 27, 2022 10:59:22 GMT -6
|
|
starbuck
Emerald
Posts: 12,464 Likes: 81,139
|
Post by starbuck on Feb 27, 2022 11:06:50 GMT -6
I really can't wait for the videos of yachts and other assets of oligarchs being impounded to start rolling in.
|
|
athn64
Ruby
Posts: 17,630 Likes: 78,221
|
Post by athn64 on Feb 27, 2022 11:15:04 GMT -6
I really can't wait for the videos of yachts and other assets of oligarchs being impounded to start rolling in. Hit them where it hurts.
|
|
|
Post by greykitty on Feb 27, 2022 11:27:27 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by MelanieCarmichael on Feb 27, 2022 11:28:05 GMT -6
So this is the thread where I will be camped out and so very hard to believe what is happening in our world and yet not.
I went for a run this morning and Ukraine and its brave people were very much on my mind (well, they are never not on my mind) and I thought about how lucky I am to be able to do that. Even just to poke my head outside and enjoy the sunshine.
|
|
elle
Ruby
Posts: 19,381 Likes: 126,476
|
Post by elle on Feb 27, 2022 11:36:44 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 27, 2022 11:48:45 GMT -6
That is huge. Huge. One of Russia's biggest concerns has always been its lack of warm water ports. That's part of why the Black Sea is so incredibly important, but Turkey controls the Bosporus and thus Russia's way out into the open sea in winter. Putin has to be feeling the pressure now.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,785 Likes: 94,686
|
Post by jkjacq on Feb 27, 2022 12:00:05 GMT -6
TFG is going to be so mad π€£π€£π€£π€£[/quote] Considering his unhinged cpac presence and the fact he canβt answer what he would do differently. He already is.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 12:01:08 GMT -6
SNL scrapped their cold open last night and had the NY Ukranian Chorus sing. It was really beautiful.
|
|
mc13
Sapphire
Posts: 3,417 Likes: 12,176
|
Post by mc13 on Feb 27, 2022 12:07:48 GMT -6
SNL scrapped their cold open last night and had the NY Ukranian Chorus sing. It was really beautiful. I loved it! Iβm sure most people donβt even know groups like this exist and Iβm so happy to see such a big show bring them into the spotlight. Most of my childhood was spent practicing and performing with my Tamburitzan group to preserve Eastern European cultures here in the US.
|
|
dc2london
Admin
Press Secretary
Posts: 62,687 Likes: 429,529
|
Post by dc2london on Feb 27, 2022 12:11:30 GMT -6
SNL scrapped their cold open last night and had the NY Ukranian Chorus sing. It was really beautiful. I loved it! Iβm sure most people donβt even know groups like this exist and Iβm so happy to see such a big show bring them into the spotlight. Most of my childhood was spent practicing and performing with my Tamburitzan group to preserve Eastern European cultures here in the US. When they panned up and "Kyiv" was spelled in candles ππππ
|
|
cnf
Ruby
Posts: 21,516 Likes: 104,469
|
Post by cnf on Feb 27, 2022 12:11:55 GMT -6
Reddit is yelling about air raid alerts for Kyiv right now. I'm hoping it's nothing major.
This whole thing has me feeling lots of ways. I'm so sick to my stomach over this all.
|
|
jkjacq
Ruby
Posts: 21,785 Likes: 94,686
|
Post by jkjacq on Feb 27, 2022 12:18:10 GMT -6
BP will dump itβs almost 20% stake in Rosneft.
|
|