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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 25, 2022 11:34:13 GMT -6
Getting booted out of Eurovision is a big deal tho
That's hitting them where it hurts, and I say that only half jokingly. Everything else with these economic sanctions is painful, of course, but a cultural sanction is one that will make the people even more pissed off at Putin.
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Post by flojo on Feb 25, 2022 11:38:20 GMT -6
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Post by cnf on Feb 25, 2022 11:40:18 GMT -6
Picture of Zelensky in a flack jacket, looking pissed AF. My gosh. I can't even imagine.
They're encouraging people to make and toss mazel tov cocktails at Russians. I listening to a reporter interviewing a citizen who had gone and gotten two AK-47, one for himself and one for his wife. When asked if he even knew how to use it, he said he planned to Google and YouTube it.
This is so fucked. I wish any other country would step in and help. Citizens should not be going on YouTube to figure out how to use military weapons to defend their country by themselves.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 25, 2022 12:01:02 GMT -6
Picture of Zelensky in a flack jacket, looking pissed AF. My gosh. I can't even imagine. They're encouraging people to make and toss mazel tov cocktails at Russians. I listening to a reporter interviewing a citizen who had gone and gotten two AK-47, one for himself and one for his wife. When asked if he even knew how to use it, he said he planned to Google and YouTube it. This is so fucked. I wish any other country would step in and help. Citizens should not be going on YouTube to figure out how to use military weapons to defend their country by themselves. I saw a tweet that said 'if this is Ukraine auditioning for NATO they're doing a helluva job' and another that said we should immediately make Ukraine a NATO country.
The fact that we have to sit back and WATCH this is reprehensible.
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Post by bitsandpieces on Feb 25, 2022 12:12:07 GMT -6
I feel this in my GenX bones When I started making an emergency kit and trying to find potassium iodide, DH exasperatedly said "this isn't WarGames" and I said "you don't know it's not". For what it's worth, we live right in between two nuclear plants, so those things are in our house anyways. TIL about potassium iodide. Fascinating science, but morbid in context.
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Post by cnf on Feb 25, 2022 12:14:53 GMT -6
Picture of Zelensky in a flack jacket, looking pissed AF. My gosh. I can't even imagine. They're encouraging people to make and toss mazel tov cocktails at Russians. I listening to a reporter interviewing a citizen who had gone and gotten two AK-47, one for himself and one for his wife. When asked if he even knew how to use it, he said he planned to Google and YouTube it. This is so fucked. I wish any other country would step in and help. Citizens should not be going on YouTube to figure out how to use military weapons to defend their country by themselves. I saw a tweet that said 'if this is Ukraine auditioning for NATO they're doing a helluva job' and another that said we should immediately make Ukraine a NATO country.
The fact that we have to sit back and WATCH this is reprehensible.
Completely reprehensible. The fact that no one else will step in to help is astonishing. Like, I get no one wants to make this a bigger thing, or start WWIII, but are we really just going to watch Putin crush and steal a country and do nothing? I just can't.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Feb 25, 2022 12:41:07 GMT -6
I saw a tweet that said 'if this is Ukraine auditioning for NATO they're doing a helluva job' and another that said we should immediately make Ukraine a NATO country.
The fact that we have to sit back and WATCH this is reprehensible.
Completely reprehensible. The fact that no one else will step in to help is astonishing. Like, I get no one wants to make this a bigger thing, or start WWIII, but are we really just going to watch Putin crush and steal a country and do nothing? I just can't.
I'm sure the Ukrainians are getting plenty of clandestine aid, and quite a bit of overt military aid from the US, too. This is what happened all over the world during the Cold War. If one of the superpowers went in, the other wouldn't go in directly but would fund the other side (e.g. the US funding and arming Bin Laden and the mujaheddin against Russia in Afghanistan or Russia funding and arming the North Vietnamese against the US). It sucks, it really really does, but it is definitely better than the alternative of starting WWIII and probably better than letting Russia just run over Ukraine without any resistance. The goal of the opposing power in these proxy (or semi-proxy) wars is to drain the resources and morale of the other side. The people they're doing it through are just a means to an end. I'm not condoning this, I'm just describing the political reality behind it. If the US keeps Russia in a protracted struggle in Ukraine that the Russian people don't like, things will only get worse for Putin. He needs it to be over fast.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 25, 2022 12:52:15 GMT -6
Getting booted out of Eurovision is a big deal tho
That's hitting them where it hurts, and I say that only half jokingly. Everything else with these economic sanctions is painful, of course, but a cultural sanction is one that will make the people even more pissed off at Putin.
exactly. Its such a big thing that people enjoy and Russia often does well at.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 25, 2022 12:56:03 GMT -6
That's hitting them where it hurts, and I say that only half jokingly. Everything else with these economic sanctions is painful, of course, but a cultural sanction is one that will make the people even more pissed off at Putin.
exactly. Its such a big thing that people enjoy and Russia often does well at. I don't think most Americans "get" Eurovision I mean I don't think they realize how popular it really is bc it just is not a thing here
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Post by byjove on Feb 25, 2022 13:00:33 GMT -6
exactly. Its such a big thing that people enjoy and Russia often does well at. I don't think most Americans "get" Eurovision I mean I don't think they realize how popular it really is bc it just is not a thing here All I know about it is via Rachel McAdams and Will Farrell.
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Post by elle on Feb 25, 2022 13:00:34 GMT -6
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Post by greykitty on Feb 25, 2022 13:00:48 GMT -6
I was just thinking there were a lot of internet comments that Putin wouldn't risk doing anything during the Olympics. On one hand, hard to believe the women's skating could have been more controversial, but....
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Post by elle on Feb 25, 2022 13:04:44 GMT -6
exactly. Its such a big thing that people enjoy and Russia often does well at. I don't think most Americans "get" Eurovision I mean I don't think they realize how popular it really is bc it just is not a thing here My girls love it so, they still watch last year's on Peacock sometimes for their "dance parties".
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Post by byjove on Feb 25, 2022 13:05:30 GMT -6
NATO Supreme Allied Commander Gen. Tod Wolters activated the multinational force consisting of land, air, sea and special operations forces from the allies that can deploy quickly in support of the NATO alliance. The activation of the response troops does not mean that any US or NATO troops will go into Ukraine, which is not a member. US President Joe Biden has been clear that US troops are deploying to eastern Europe to help bolster NATO countries nervous about Russia's aggressive actions, and they will not be fighting in Ukraine.
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Post by richard on Feb 25, 2022 13:05:47 GMT -6
seventythree, I'm sorry for tagging you and probably scaring the shit out of you. But do I remember correctly that your family is Ukrainian? With all this in the news, I was remembering that there was someone on M15 whose family was (I think) and couldn't remember your name. And then today with the discussion on GD about lurking and being able to see posters who are reading made me go to the page where you see names and I saw your name and it was too much of a coincidence not to tag you!
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Post by cnf on Feb 25, 2022 13:17:52 GMT -6
Completely reprehensible. The fact that no one else will step in to help is astonishing. Like, I get no one wants to make this a bigger thing, or start WWIII, but are we really just going to watch Putin crush and steal a country and do nothing? I just can't.
I'm sure the Ukrainians are getting plenty of clandestine aid, and quite a bit of overt military aid from the US, too. This is what happened all over the world during the Cold War. If one of the superpowers went in, the other wouldn't go in directly but would fund the other side (e.g. the US funding and arming Bin Laden and the mujaheddin against Russia in Afghanistan or Russia funding and arming the North Vietnamese against the US). It sucks, it really really does, but it is definitely better than the alternative of starting WWIII and probably better than letting Russia just run over Ukraine without any resistance. The goal of the opposing power in these proxy (or semi-proxy) wars is to drain the resources and morale of the other side. The people they're doing it through are just a means to an end. I'm not condoning this, I'm just describing the political reality behind it. If the US keeps Russia in a protracted struggle in Ukraine that the Russian people don't like, things will only get worse for Putin. He needs it to be over fast.
This makes sense. I'm still very sad watching them fight alone. It feels very wrong.
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Post by byjove on Feb 25, 2022 13:22:56 GMT -6
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Post by elle on Feb 25, 2022 13:24:10 GMT -6
Predictably, Russia is now threatening Sweden and Finland if they join NATO.
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Post by jaygee on Feb 25, 2022 13:24:29 GMT -6
Thank you. I need to fill DS in but have been struggling so much myself that I’m at a loss.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 25, 2022 13:24:45 GMT -6
Completely reprehensible. The fact that no one else will step in to help is astonishing. Like, I get no one wants to make this a bigger thing, or start WWIII, but are we really just going to watch Putin crush and steal a country and do nothing? I just can't.
I'm sure the Ukrainians are getting plenty of clandestine aid, and quite a bit of overt military aid from the US, too. This is what happened all over the world during the Cold War. If one of the superpowers went in, the other wouldn't go in directly but would fund the other side (e.g. the US funding and arming Bin Laden and the mujaheddin against Russia in Afghanistan or Russia funding and arming the North Vietnamese against the US). It sucks, it really really does, but it is definitely better than the alternative of starting WWIII and probably better than letting Russia just run over Ukraine without any resistance. The goal of the opposing power in these proxy (or semi-proxy) wars is to drain the resources and morale of the other side. The people they're doing it through are just a means to an end. I'm not condoning this, I'm just describing the political reality behind it. If the US keeps Russia in a protracted struggle in Ukraine that the Russian people don't like, things will only get worse for Putin. He needs it to be over fast.
I know this logically but I still don’t like it. I also feel we should have allowed/pushed harder for Ukraine to work towards being a nato member.
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Post by richard on Feb 25, 2022 13:41:23 GMT -6
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Post by athn64 on Feb 25, 2022 13:47:09 GMT -6
Completely reprehensible. The fact that no one else will step in to help is astonishing. Like, I get no one wants to make this a bigger thing, or start WWIII, but are we really just going to watch Putin crush and steal a country and do nothing? I just can't.
I'm sure the Ukrainians are getting plenty of clandestine aid, and quite a bit of overt military aid from the US, too. This is what happened all over the world during the Cold War. If one of the superpowers went in, the other wouldn't go in directly but would fund the other side (e.g. the US funding and arming Bin Laden and the mujaheddin against Russia in Afghanistan or Russia funding and arming the North Vietnamese against the US). It sucks, it really really does, but it is definitely better than the alternative of starting WWIII and probably better than letting Russia just run over Ukraine without any resistance. The goal of the opposing power in these proxy (or semi-proxy) wars is to drain the resources and morale of the other side. The people they're doing it through are just a means to an end. I'm not condoning this, I'm just describing the political reality behind it. If the US keeps Russia in a protracted struggle in Ukraine that the Russian people don't like, things will only get worse for Putin. He needs it to be over fast.
I was going to say that this is right out of the Cold War playbook. They don't want to meet head to head, but they will fund the opposition. Paranoia in the US during the Cold War actually led to us toppling many an actual burgeoning democracy.
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Post by cmb on Feb 25, 2022 13:56:55 GMT -6
Just got the official word to not answer questions from the general public. Reaching out to the feds to see if there is an “official statement.”
😪 I’ve been here for 6 years, 10 in this field, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard this 😪
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 25, 2022 14:01:41 GMT -6
FYI. Bridge Troll (risch R-ID) introduced the NYET act and is planing to do something next week in the senate when he can be bothered to go back to DC. Allegedly this is bipartisan leg and the things the couldn’t agree on previously are now not an issue, like pre invasion sanctions.
The local full interview hasn’t posted yet so I’m short on deets.
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Post by summerbabe on Feb 25, 2022 14:07:15 GMT -6
Just got the official word to not answer questions from the general public. Reaching out to the feds to see if there is an “official statement.” 😪 I’ve been here for 6 years, 10 in this field, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard this 😪 Why do you think that is? I always appreciate your health knowledge.
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Post by willow on Feb 25, 2022 14:07:57 GMT -6
Idk why but I guess I assumed Sweden and Finland already were part of NATO until now.
I have no good answer about involving US troops in Ukraine. Like others, I don’t want them there but I also feel weird that we’re not. Then again, all or nearly all of my entire life has consisted of us inserting ourselves and making things worse or just stabilizing and then leaving a fucked nation behind, so. Idk
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Post by greykitty on Feb 25, 2022 14:11:04 GMT -6
Pope broke protocol to visit the Russian embassy excerpt Pope Francis on Friday visited the Russian Embassy in Rome in a gesture that broke diplomatic protocol, to convey his concerns over the conflict in Ukraine. Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said the pope spent more than 30 minutes at the embassy. Russian Ambassador Alexander Avdeev told a state-run media outlet that the pope had “wanted to personally ask about the situation in Donbas and Ukraine.” Bruni did not specify what Francis said to the Kremlin official but said, “He went to express his concern over the war.” Bruni declined comment to a number of media outlets including when asked whether the pope had visited or would visit Ukraine’s embassy. Under diplomatic protocol, the Vatican foreign minister would have summoned the ambassador to the Vatican. However, this time the pope traveled to the embassy despite having “acute knee pain,” which has forced him to cancel two engagements for next week. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-francis-breaks-diplomatic-protocol-and-visits-russian-embassy/ar-AAUjmPV?ocid=BingNewsSearch
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Post by athn64 on Feb 25, 2022 14:14:31 GMT -6
Just got the official word to not answer questions from the general public. Reaching out to the feds to see if there is an “official statement.” 😪 I’ve been here for 6 years, 10 in this field, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard this 😪 We understand if you have to delete your posts or need them modabused. We appreciate what you've shared so far.
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Post by willow on Feb 25, 2022 14:20:05 GMT -6
I just googled and I didn’t realize that most of Scandinavia isn’t in NATO. I’m admittedly not well versed in all the requirements but I just see them all as allies so I made the wrong assumptions.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 25, 2022 14:21:09 GMT -6
Just got the official word to not answer questions from the general public. Reaching out to the feds to see if there is an “official statement.” 😪 I’ve been here for 6 years, 10 in this field, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard this 😪 We understand if you have to delete your posts or need them modabused. We appreciate what you've shared so far. Absolutely cmb let me know if you need any help
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