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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 5, 2021 12:18:59 GMT -6
People worry about this "speech issues, especially in the 2nd grade and below levels where kids are still learning sounds and articulation skills and being able to see lips moving is a big deal" But in asian countries and places with high polution so kids wear masks from tiny ages, I dont see them worrying or complaining about it at all. So there must be ways to mitigate. My first grader is learning a second language and this has not been an issue as long as they have been in in person school with masks, as far as I can tell. Although, they were on Zoom for much of the year, without masks. But yeah, if anything, it would be very apparent in immersion schools, if this were an actual issue.
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Post by cmb on Jun 5, 2021 12:23:27 GMT -6
People worry about this "speech issues, especially in the 2nd grade and below levels where kids are still learning sounds and articulation skills and being able to see lips moving is a big deal" But in asian countries and places with high polution so kids wear masks from tiny ages, I dont see them worrying or complaining about it at all. So there must be ways to mitigate. My first grader is learning a second language and this has not been an issue as long as they have been in in person school with masks, as far as I can tell. Although, they were on Zoom for much of the year, without masks. But yeah, if anything, it would be very apparent in immersion schools, if this were an actual issue. It is an issue, though, among the special needs population, my kid included
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Post by dc2london on Jun 5, 2021 12:34:55 GMT -6
My first grader is learning a second language and this has not been an issue as long as they have been in in person school with masks, as far as I can tell. Although, they were on Zoom for much of the year, without masks. But yeah, if anything, it would be very apparent in immersion schools, if this were an actual issue. It is an issue, though, among the special needs population, my kid included I think IEP/504 exemptions as appropriate would be covered under ADA, no? Eta and IDEA
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Post by dc2london on Jun 5, 2021 12:37:42 GMT -6
People worry about this "speech issues, especially in the 2nd grade and below levels where kids are still learning sounds and articulation skills and being able to see lips moving is a big deal" But in asian countries and places with high polution so kids wear masks from tiny ages, I dont see them worrying or complaining about it at all. So there must be ways to mitigate. I think the speech development thing is a worthwhile consideration, but I also think, based on some committee hearings, it's become a frothy right talking point and isn't always about the pasta
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 5, 2021 12:41:43 GMT -6
My first grader is learning a second language and this has not been an issue as long as they have been in in person school with masks, as far as I can tell. Although, they were on Zoom for much of the year, without masks. But yeah, if anything, it would be very apparent in immersion schools, if this were an actual issue. It is an issue, though, among the special needs population, my kid included Yes, and I would lump that in with the other considerations for special needs that were listed.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 5, 2021 12:42:55 GMT -6
All throughout school, we were given times where we could eat or drink, and we generally didn't eat in the classrooms, so I agree that one in particular seems silly.
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Post by nelzie on Jun 5, 2021 13:30:32 GMT -6
All throughout school, we were given times where we could eat or drink, and we generally didn't eat in the classrooms, so I agree that one in particular seems silly. Yeah we weren't even allowed to bring water into the classrooms when I was growing up so 🤷🏻♀️ When masks were still required at school my kids were still allowed to bring a water bottle and drink whenever they needed to. I realize other places may have been more strict.
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Post by coffeecake on Jun 5, 2021 13:38:40 GMT -6
All throughout school, we were given times where we could eat or drink, and we generally didn't eat in the classrooms, so I agree that one in particular seems silly. Agree. I can see special needs concerns for sure, but the food and water thing I don’t buy. No one carried water bottles around when I was a kid and we ate only at lunch. We all survived. Very gross to now think about drinking out of water fountains, so I’m glad my kids can take a water bottle. But I’m confident they’re given enough breaks during the day to drink from it.
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Post by cmb on Jun 5, 2021 13:51:10 GMT -6
It is an issue, though, among the special needs population, my kid included I think IEP/504 exemptions as appropriate would be covered under ADA, no? Eta and IDEA No. Schools are able to say masks 100% or you must do virtual, no matter if there is an IEP. They get away with it because they still will do services virtually. There are plenty of schools giving no mask exceptions in those cases. The SLP has had to stick her hand in his mouth multiple times to help him form sounds. He is not understandable to others with a mask, even with coaching his pronunciation. He still wears it, but it is an legitimate issue at hand, and he is not the only one in his class, let alone being the only one in the building, district, etc
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 13:53:53 GMT -6
There are 12.5 days left of school. This isn't going to make a difference as far as speech stuff. My daughter is in speech still. My son just got out of it.
They should have waited as far as the indoor masking stuff. I don't care about the outdoor.
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 14:09:15 GMT -6
Our middle and high school had to be six feet distanced until last week. We were over 100 cases per 100k. Now I think we are in the 90s this week. They are still hybrid. None of this makes sense.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 5, 2021 14:24:54 GMT -6
All throughout school, we were given times where we could eat or drink, and we generally didn't eat in the classrooms, so I agree that one in particular seems silly. Agree. I can see special needs concerns for sure, but the food and water thing I don’t buy. No one carried water bottles around when I was a kid and we ate only at lunch. We all survived. Very gross to now think about drinking out of water fountains, so I’m glad my kids can take a water bottle. But I’m confident they’re given enough breaks during the day to drink from it. So yeah that’s how I grew up. But speaking from personal experience neither of my kids do well without something For T it had to be written into his IEP because of the no food/drink thing. By the time C started school it was normal. All the kids have water bottles at their desks AND were able to have a snack until this year. Since she’s been in the classroom full time since October I can definitely see a difference in her learning. Not to mention she’s a beast at pickup because she hasn’t eaten in four hours. Just because we survived doesn’t mean there isn’t a better way
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 5, 2021 14:32:27 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food.
I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better.
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Post by coffeecake on Jun 5, 2021 14:34:57 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food. I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better. You’re right. After I posted that I realized I also hate when people say “we survived.” But I still think *most* people who are complaining about kids wearing masks are people who never wanted to mask in the first place. And they’re using the kids as an excuse.
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 14:35:35 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food. I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better. My kids can take off their masks to eat and drink during the day. That is the district being dumb
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 5, 2021 14:40:53 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food. I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better. You’re right. After I posted that I realized I also hate when people say “we survived.” But I still think *most* people who are complaining about kids wearing masks are people who never wanted to mask in the first place. And they’re using the kids as an excuse. Oh they absolutely do. Along with we’re somehow asphyxiating them. They both boneheaded arguments. They latch on to any excuse
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Post by teraiin on Jun 5, 2021 14:41:17 GMT -6
I think IEP/504 exemptions as appropriate would be covered under ADA, no? Eta and IDEA No. Schools are able to say masks 100% or you must do virtual, no matter if there is an IEP. They get away with it because they still will do services virtually. There are plenty of schools giving no mask exceptions in those cases. The SLP has had to stick her hand in his mouth multiple times to help him form sounds. He is not understandable to others with a mask, even with coaching his pronunciation. He still wears it, but it is an legitimate issue at hand, and he is not the only one in his class, let alone being the only one in the building, district, etc Right, locally our schools have been using the “equitable accommodations” line. Kids can be virtual if parents think the mask is interfering with speech acquisition/slp and it’s an “equivalent” option. Or your kids can be masked. In the case of DS1 we chose in person with the masks because with virtual he regressed, at least in school he made some ground albeit slowly and with difficulty. DS1s particular speech disorder is characterized by articulation issues and difficulty creating the proper mouth shapes needed for words and he relies heavily on watching mouth movement and responding to tactile cueing.
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Post by jkjacq on Jun 5, 2021 14:43:10 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food. I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better. My kids can take off their masks to eat and drink during the day. That is the district being dumb Ours was more cautious. I don’t know I think they gave in on water bottles but not snacks. Which is strange cuz they ate lunches at their desks all year. But considering how many anti maskers we have it was probably for the best to have a very hard and fast rule
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 14:46:28 GMT -6
My kids can take off their masks to eat and drink during the day. That is the district being dumb Ours was more cautious. I don’t know I think they gave in on water bottles but not snacks. Which is strange cuz they ate lunches at their desks all year. But considering how many anti maskers we have it was probably for the best to have a very hard and fast rule That probably makes sense. Sorry I didn't mean it be snarky to you. I'm talking out here if it's such an issue make a change just don't remove the mask policy completely. I'm just very annoyed obviously lol.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 5, 2021 14:58:06 GMT -6
If there are legitimate speech issues and especially for stuff like speech therapy, are there clear masks that could work? Or could they use face shields instead? It seems like there should be a way around this particular issue.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jun 5, 2021 15:33:19 GMT -6
One more thing I sit at a desk 9 hours 4 days a week. You bet your dollars I have snacks. Why would we think kids wouldn’t need that. The 3 meals a day thing has created a stupid food thought war. At that point my kid would eat at 630a 1210p and then sometimes not again until 6p That’s not a healthy or recommended approach to food. I’d apologize for the rant but the ‘we survived’ kinda set me off. People survived the last 16 months not wearing a mask. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be better. I don’t think there many schools not allowing for regularly scheduled breaks, though. My kid wears a mask all day, but she gets snacks at recess, gets to eat at lunch, can take sips of water, etc. She isn’t coming home saying she was deprived of water or food all day. There is a reasonable middle ground.
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Post by Minerva on Jun 5, 2021 15:53:39 GMT -6
No. Schools are able to say masks 100% or you must do virtual, no matter if there is an IEP. They get away with it because they still will do services virtually. There are plenty of schools giving no mask exceptions in those cases. The SLP has had to stick her hand in his mouth multiple times to help him form sounds. He is not understandable to others with a mask, even with coaching his pronunciation. He still wears it, but it is an legitimate issue at hand, and he is not the only one in his class, let alone being the only one in the building, district, etc Right, locally our schools have been using the “equitable accommodations” line. Kids can be virtual if parents think the mask is interfering with speech acquisition/slp and it’s an “equivalent” option. Or your kids can be masked. In the case of DS1 we chose in person with the masks because with virtual he regressed, at least in school he made some ground albeit slowly and with difficulty. DS1s particular speech disorder is characterized by articulation issues and difficulty creating the proper mouth shapes needed for words and he relies heavily on watching mouth movement and responding to tactile cueing. The “equitable accommodations” is true in our district too. There are several lawsuits and an investigation of the district at the state level because some students with IEPs who couldn’t access virtual services because of their disabilities also couldn’t wear masks and basically got no services for the first half of the year. DD also has a pretty severe phonological disorder. School speech therapy has been very frustrating this year. She and her SLP have been wearing masks with clear plastic windows, but it really isn’t enough. Virtual was mostly pointless - the SLP couldn’t see and hear her well enough to tell where she was going wrong. Things have gotten better now that the SLP and I are both vaccinated. She shows me how to demonstrate sounds for DD. But DD isn’t always receptive because I’m mom and she’s stubborn.
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Post by teraiin on Jun 5, 2021 15:58:03 GMT -6
Right, locally our schools have been using the “equitable accommodations” line. Kids can be virtual if parents think the mask is interfering with speech acquisition/slp and it’s an “equivalent” option. Or your kids can be masked. In the case of DS1 we chose in person with the masks because with virtual he regressed, at least in school he made some ground albeit slowly and with difficulty. DS1s particular speech disorder is characterized by articulation issues and difficulty creating the proper mouth shapes needed for words and he relies heavily on watching mouth movement and responding to tactile cueing. The “equitable accommodations” is true in our district too. There are several lawsuits and an investigation of the district at the state level because some students with IEPs who couldn’t access virtual services because of their disabilities also couldn’t wear masks and basically got no services for the first half of the year. DD also has a pretty severe phonological disorder. School speech therapy has been very frustrating this year. She and her SLP have been wearing masks with clear plastic windows, but it really isn’t enough. Virtual was mostly pointless - the SLP couldn’t see and hear her well enough to tell where she was going wrong. Things have gotten better now that the SLP and I are both vaccinated. She shows me how to demonstrate sounds for DD. But DD isn’t always receptive because I’m mom and she’s stubborn. God over the summer the number of times during a virtual session where the SLP would say “did he pronounce that with the right sound?” “Was that a b or a d?” Becuase the quality just isn’t there. And even if she could it was difficult to correct. She was a saint though doing the best she could given the situation. I’m glad that things have gotten a bit better for you now though. It’s tough stuff 😫
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Post by Minerva on Jun 5, 2021 16:07:52 GMT -6
The “equitable accommodations” is true in our district too. There are several lawsuits and an investigation of the district at the state level because some students with IEPs who couldn’t access virtual services because of their disabilities also couldn’t wear masks and basically got no services for the first half of the year. DD also has a pretty severe phonological disorder. School speech therapy has been very frustrating this year. She and her SLP have been wearing masks with clear plastic windows, but it really isn’t enough. Virtual was mostly pointless - the SLP couldn’t see and hear her well enough to tell where she was going wrong. Things have gotten better now that the SLP and I are both vaccinated. She shows me how to demonstrate sounds for DD. But DD isn’t always receptive because I’m mom and she’s stubborn. God over the summer the number of times during a virtual session where the SLP would say “did he pronounce that with the right sound?” “Was that a b or a d?” Becuase the quality just isn’t there. And even if she could it was difficult to correct. She was a saint though doing the best she could given the situation. I’m glad that things have gotten a bit better for you now though. It’s tough stuff 😫 It really is tough. We love our school SLP - she did her best in a shitty situation and was able to advocate for more evaluations for DD to further figure out what is going on in her mouth. On an amusing note, they did a lesson using The Rainbow Fish last week to work on f and sh sounds. E’s f sounds like b, so the whole lesson it sounded like she was talking about The Rainbow Bitch. I had to work so hard not to laugh. 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 17:59:13 GMT -6
I 100% believe that masking little kids has led to speech development issues. But that being said, changing with 12 days left is not going to correct that. DS1 has a 504 for ADHD and working on SPD. One of his focuses that help is a snack at times. We are very fortunate that his teacher allows him to regulate that this year but most years he wouldn’t be allowed masked or not.
I haven’t seen updates from my district or surrounding. I’m wondering if they are waiting for what the CDC says to NYs plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 18:07:09 GMT -6
And one huge district about an hour from me is furious that schools found out via the media. They have 0 guidance to live forward other than the note that was shared with the news.
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 18:18:35 GMT -6
And one huge district about an hour from me is furious that schools found out via the media. They have 0 guidance to live forward other than the note that was shared with the news. I messaged my kids K teacher about my son being possibly nervous about the outside change and she was like um what? So since this went out after 3 on Friday I am accidentally informing teachers. Many of these changes start Monday Eta I don't care about the outdoor but for places changing the indoor it's a shit thing to learn about on Friday at 3.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 18:23:58 GMT -6
cribs I agree. Part of me thinks the timing was intentional. I am okay with masks off outside in the heat especially. But not inside school. And none of what I read addressed buses at all.
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Post by cribs on Jun 5, 2021 18:27:27 GMT -6
cribs I agree. Part of me thinks the timing was intentional. I am okay with masks off outside in the heat especially. But not inside school. And none of what I read addressed buses at all. It totally was. Our county is keeping indoors and buses. All they had to do was just change the outside guidance but nope.
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Post by teraiin on Jun 5, 2021 19:18:15 GMT -6
cribs I agree. Part of me thinks the timing was intentional. I am okay with masks off outside in the heat especially. But not inside school. And none of what I read addressed buses at all. I’m sure it was intentional also I know cmb and I have talked before that cuomo Seems go love dropping things on Friday afternoons or things somehow “leak”.
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