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Post by thatgolfb on Apr 26, 2021 8:44:44 GMT -6
But yeah, I guess V-safe wasn't tracking menstruation data, outside of pregnancy, but then it seemed like there *were* ongoing studies outside of that.
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Post by lemondrop on Apr 26, 2021 8:53:19 GMT -6
lemondrop I feel like those of us discussing our anecdotal experience with our cycles is getting conflated with the fertility conversation and I am sorry if I contributed to that entanglement. I certainly don't disagree with you at all. I just think the CDC not taking the potential side effect of disrupted cycles as an actual possibility seems dismissive but at the same time, it's not something I'm actually worried about. I just find the information interesting. I understand that - my problem is the bolded. This is untrue. At least at my 7 nationwide sites, this IS being discussed. But the CDC isn't going to give menstrual issues as a potential side effect until it's PROVEN. Much like how they weren't going to say that a side effect of J&J is incredibly rare blood clots until it was reviewed and proven. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months they do rely on more data to give that as an adverse reaction (which in general I'm assuming is going to be as a secondary response to a different adverse reaction - like nausea is an adverse reaction, but throwing up can be a response of the nausea reaction). We also need to be careful about blaming everything that happens on the vaccines. There was a big to-do a while back about people getting appendicitis after having the vaccine. Like, appendicitis doesn't just go away in the general population. It was reviewed and studied, and came out that appendicitis is NOT an adverse reaction - because people can and DO get appendicitis. It had nothing to do with the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 9:07:34 GMT -6
Who, specifically, is dismissing these concerns about changes to cycles? There are multiple known studies going on related to the issue, some of which have been directly linked in this thread. I’m very confused.
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Post by willow on Apr 26, 2021 9:09:52 GMT -6
lemondrop I understand that and it makes sense. I feel badly if I contributed to any stress in this thread, that was not my intention and of course I have been and will continue to be fully pro-vax.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 26, 2021 9:35:24 GMT -6
lemondrop I feel like those of us discussing our anecdotal experience with our cycles is getting conflated with the fertility conversation and I am sorry if I contributed to that entanglement. I certainly don't disagree with you at all. I just think the CDC not taking the potential side effect of disrupted cycles as an actual possibility seems dismissive but at the same time, it's not something I'm actually worried about. I just find the information interesting. Yeah I was really just sharing my experience as an anecdote. But I also haven't been in this thread for a few days so I have no idea what's happening here. My period being weird for one cycle is very no1curr, for ME, but I'm done having children, etc so it was at very most a minor nuisance. I don't know what's happening here so Imma just Homer Simpson back into the shrubbery.
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richard
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Post by richard on Apr 26, 2021 9:37:42 GMT -6
I don’t judge chiropractors in one sweeping brush. But I do judge ones that relay anecdotes to patients about fertility in this fraught time. Like what the actual fuck. Like I’m literally angry right now. This. Chiropractors are not doctors, they have not been to medical school. I really like Al Roker, but his opinion on vaccines is not going to sway me because he’s a meteorologist not a Dr. Some of these anecdotes is like playing a game of telephone. Me reading mid-sentence "I did not know Al Roker was a chiropractor." Me at the end of the sentence: "oh that makes more sense."
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Post by piratecat on Apr 26, 2021 9:40:04 GMT -6
abs I saw a similar one on other sm related to just being around someone who is vaccinated basically saying to stay away if you are pregnant because it’s causing miscarriages by being around them. Oof.
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Post by lemondrop on Apr 26, 2021 9:42:15 GMT -6
lemondrop I understand that and it makes sense. I feel badly if I contributed to any stress in this thread, that was not my intention and of course I have been and will continue to be fully pro-vax. Honestly, I think all of your personal anecdotes are fine! It's human nature to want to share, particularly if you want to warn other people of something that may be coming. I certainly don't think that you or anyone here is truly anti-vax (I mean, all y'all got vaccinated, it's why we're having this convo, lol). But my point is truly that this place is not indicative of the population. 53% of women voted for Trump? I think when there was a poll here, like 2% of women would admit that they did. We have to remember that we're not in a vacuum, and people interpret anecdotes in different ways. Especially women of childbearing age, when fertility and periods are often on the forefront of the mind - hell I know women who base their vacations on when they're not going to have a period so they don't have to deal with tampons and swimming. I just want folks to be careful about using anecdotes as proof of causation, ya know?
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Post by richard on Apr 26, 2021 9:44:54 GMT -6
lemondrop I keep wanting to tell you that I'm thinking of you but also not tag you back into the thread if you don't want to be here. But big hugs to you. I'm sorry that your infertility groups - which should be a place to find support and solace - are turning into a place of added stress and hurt.
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Post by richard on Apr 26, 2021 9:47:13 GMT -6
Fuuuuuuck this pandemic.
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Post by lemondrop on Apr 26, 2021 9:58:32 GMT -6
lemondrop I keep wanting to tell you that I'm thinking of you but also not tag you back into the thread if you don't want to be here. But big hugs to you. I'm sorry that your infertility groups - which should be a place to find support and solace - are turning into a place of added stress and hurt. <3 thank you.
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Post by AmyG on Apr 26, 2021 10:20:14 GMT -6
I agree. Not that I'm saying any of the menstruation issues are caused by the vaccines, but if you're going to pay attention to the sore arm and fever data and ignore the menstruation data because you didn't think to ask about it in any if your studies, that seems very dismissive. Start a study of women currently getting the shots (and ones choosing not to), ideally ones who have already been tracking their cycles for quite some time, and specifically look for a correlation. Don't just be like "oh I'm sure it's just stress." Because maybe it is, and maybe it's not, and unless you collect data on it, there's no way you can know what's causing it. I'm also feeling ragey about this kind of thing in general, though, since I'm currently reading Invisible Women I mean we've all been stressed for 13 months, why would it just now be causing changes to our menstrual cycles? Yes weve been living a base level of stress thru the pandemic. But the vaccine added an actual physical stress of immune response on top of that. And you can read in vaccine threads how many were extra worried, trouble sleeping night before, cried real tears emotional stress relief as they got the vaccine. Worried if they'd be able to work and care for kids and family due to side effects. Those vsccine related stressers were put on top of pandemic base level year of stress. Its amazing we all arent broken.
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Post by AmyG on Apr 26, 2021 10:30:30 GMT -6
if your dr reports your vaccine side effects i would think they will take that more seriously.
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Post by greykitty on Apr 26, 2021 10:34:00 GMT -6
And now how many of those vaccinated are stressed about reintegration into a more normal life, when/if kids should be vaccinated and return to in person school, workplace changes if any, unvaccinated people in their circle? It could be argued that there are whole new stress levels being added.
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Post by AmyG on Apr 26, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -6
And now how many of those vaccinated are stressed about reintegration into a more normal life, when/if kids should be vaccinated and return to in person school, workplace changes if any, unvaccinated people in their circle? It could be argued that there are whole new stress levels being added. The stress of showing up to a thing and you are only person wearing a mask.
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Post by AmyG on Apr 26, 2021 10:57:31 GMT -6
On gd board lots of anecdotes of bad vaccine anxiety and depression and it only effecting women.
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Post by fatpony on Apr 26, 2021 11:00:46 GMT -6
On gd board lots of anecdotes of bad vaccine anxiety and depression and it only effecting women. Hhmm, is it only affecting women, or are women the only ones reporting it? I know my husband had extreme anxiety about his vaccine. But he'd only tell me, not every person he met.
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Post by AmyG on Apr 26, 2021 11:05:06 GMT -6
On gd board lots of anecdotes of bad vaccine anxiety and depression and it only effecting women. Hhmm, is it only affecting women, or are women the only ones reporting it? I know my husband had extreme anxiety about his vaccine. But he'd only tell me, not every person he met. Yeah women are more likely to talk about it here on a thread about vaccine side effects. The guys might mention it to other guys on their sm but probably not.
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Post by willow on Apr 26, 2021 11:58:05 GMT -6
I think I read last week that the stats are also showing more women in general are getting the vaccine than men. Which I can see, because we are the ones bearing the brunt of all the stress the pandemic has created with child care and work issues.
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Post by willow on Apr 26, 2021 12:00:05 GMT -6
I do think that those who are anti-vaxxers and those who are anti-abortion are probably a large section of a venn diagram. Because you know, science cant tell them what to do with their bodies but the government for sure can tell women what to do with their bodies in one very specific instance ::eyeroll::
(to be clear I am not advocating for requiring vaccines, but just postulating)
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Post by geekygirly on Apr 26, 2021 12:27:27 GMT -6
Has anyone seen anything on approval for the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds? It looks like the request for EUA expansion was submitted to the FDA on April 9th and I haven't seen anything since then. With demand dropping off among adults, it feels like a great time to expand eligibility.
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Post by abs on Apr 26, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -6
Has anyone seen anything on approval for the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds? It looks like the request for EUA expansion was submitted to the FDA on April 9th and I haven't seen anything since then. With demand dropping off among adults, it feels like a great time to expand eligibility. I read yesterday that the CDC is going to do their own review, too. Not sure how long that will take. I’ve been wondering, too!
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Post by crimsonandclover on Apr 26, 2021 13:34:13 GMT -6
Has anyone seen anything on approval for the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds? It looks like the request for EUA expansion was submitted to the FDA on April 9th and I haven't seen anything since then. With demand dropping off among adults, it feels like a great time to expand eligibility. I read yesterday that the CDC is going to do their own review, too. Not sure how long that will take. I’ve been wondering, too! Me too. It probably won't work out time wise, but I've got this hope we'll be able to get the DDs (btw 10 and 5) vaccinated while we're back in the US this summer. I'm rooting for Pfizer to get moving on the younger studies
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Post by jaygee on Apr 27, 2021 8:34:47 GMT -6
This is an interesting thread on what’s been happening in India. Important to remember this likely would have been the US if T was still POTUS. I’m sure we would have had the same “covid is over” messaging throughout Feb and Mar.
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Post by greykitty on Apr 27, 2021 8:47:59 GMT -6
I believe this may have been touched on above, but many carriers starting to end COVID fee waivers. To be fair, I think every carrier mentioned this back when, but I bet many didn't notice/have forgotten, and in some ways it feels like the beginning of the pandemic was both 100 years ago and just yesterday. link
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Post by sewf on Apr 27, 2021 10:43:17 GMT -6
This is an interesting thread on what’s been happening in India. Important to remember this likely would have been the US if T was still POTUS. I’m sure we would have had the same “covid is over” messaging throughout Feb and Mar. Holy crap. And yes, that definitely would have happened here if the clown was still in office. Absolutely heartbreaking.
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Post by byjove on Apr 27, 2021 11:50:00 GMT -6
Updated mask guidance
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Post by byjove on Apr 27, 2021 12:03:22 GMT -6
And this happened. I’m home and still alive. It was instant arm pain though- yeesh. V-safe was like are you sure about this?
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richard
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Post by richard on Apr 27, 2021 12:04:43 GMT -6
byjove, I hope J&J takes it easy on you! You deserve a smooth ride from here on out!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 12:07:38 GMT -6
Good luck byjove I hope you stay feeling ok 🤞🏻
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