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Post by Sundae on Oct 18, 2022 12:37:42 GMT -6
Your Own Backyard says there are rumors that Paul's verdict has also been reached. Apparently his jury also wore nice clothing today. Stay tuned, apparently.
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 18, 2022 12:47:43 GMT -6
A verdict for Paul Flores jury has officially been reached.
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Post by agm04 on Oct 18, 2022 12:52:19 GMT -6
i'm on the edge of my seat.
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 18, 2022 12:54:23 GMT -6
I'm seeing both verdicts will be read at 1:30 local California time.
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Post by auburn on Oct 18, 2022 13:07:50 GMT -6
I feel sick. I am praying that they are both convicted.
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Post by Sundae on Oct 18, 2022 14:14:45 GMT -6
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Post by auburn on Oct 18, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -6
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Post by smilesp on Oct 18, 2022 14:41:49 GMT -6
Paul is guilty in the first degree.
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Post by auburn on Oct 18, 2022 14:43:34 GMT -6
Guilty on first degree murder for Paul Flores!!
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 18, 2022 14:54:14 GMT -6
The verdict for Reuben Flores will be read at 2pm. The court is waiting on one more juror to arrive.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Oct 18, 2022 14:57:00 GMT -6
Paul is guilty in the first degree. Omg I can't imagine being Kristin's parents. I would probably just collapse. Getting justice for their daughter has been such a marathon.
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Post by smilesp on Oct 18, 2022 15:06:36 GMT -6
Ruben is not guilty.
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 18, 2022 15:08:22 GMT -6
smilesp, Woah. Crazy about the two different verdicts. I need to listen to all the podcast recaps of the trial now to more closely follow their train of thought.
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Oct 18, 2022 15:10:48 GMT -6
Not guilty of anything?!?!
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Post by smilesp on Oct 18, 2022 15:10:50 GMT -6
smilesp, Woah. Crazy about the two different verdicts. I need to listen to all the podcast recaps of the trial now to more closely follow their train of thought. I think the case against Ruben was always more difficult to prove. Definitely still a win for the Smart family.
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Post by Sundae on Oct 18, 2022 15:12:36 GMT -6
smilesp , Woah. Crazy about the two different verdicts. I need to listen to all the podcast recaps of the trial now to more closely follow their train of thought. I think the case against Ruben was always more difficult to prove. Definitely still a win for the Smart family. Same. This is what I expected. And Sanger has got to be one of the worst attorneys in a case of this profile... Like, yikes. I think his MO was just to try to confuse them all. Or maybe it was just that he was that confused himself. Either way...
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Post by auburn on Oct 18, 2022 15:39:05 GMT -6
Ruben and his attorney are being gross and giddy with the media outside the courthouse. I hate him so much.
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Post by smilesp on Oct 18, 2022 15:41:41 GMT -6
Ruben and his attorney are being gross and giddy with the media outside the courthouse. I hate him so much. How could you be giddy when your son was just convicted of murder??
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Post by Hotcoconuts82 on Oct 18, 2022 16:07:09 GMT -6
I wonder if Flores' will move now.
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Post by Yogurt on Oct 18, 2022 16:15:32 GMT -6
Wow
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Post by Yogurt on Oct 18, 2022 16:16:30 GMT -6
The energy in Arroyo Grande right now is really something. Not celebratory, but just palpable.
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Post by Yogurt on Oct 18, 2022 16:58:07 GMT -6
smilesp, Woah. Crazy about the two different verdicts. I need to listen to all the podcast recaps of the trial now to more closely follow their train of thought. This is why they separated the jurys and only let Ruben's jury hear parts but not all of the case against Paul. I don't think Paul's jury ever had to step out to not hear stuff about Ruben. You can't think Paul did it and not Ruben. I mean, in my opinion.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 18, 2022 17:07:19 GMT -6
I could see being relieved on so many levels. This isn't hanging over his head anymore. I like for cases to be based on facts and not feelings. No matter your emotional attachment and being upset and wanting to hold someone accountable, there still needs to be evidence.
There really wasn't any evidence against Ruben.
The video I saw, Ruben's voice was shaky. I thought he was about to break down. He's 81 now and I can see him being relieved.
People will need to find a way to move on because they didn't get any new answers.
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Post by addymac on Oct 18, 2022 17:10:41 GMT -6
Do you guys that actually have deep dived and followed this case closely think there is any chance Paul will tell them where the body is?
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Post by Yogurt on Oct 18, 2022 17:16:03 GMT -6
Do you guys that actually have deep dived and followed this case closely think there is any chance Paul will tell them where the body is? Not if he wants to appeal. Plus he's a giant piece of shit who has never done the right thing, so there is that too.
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Post by Yogurt on Oct 18, 2022 17:17:25 GMT -6
I feel like Paul being found guilty also "proves" Ruben's guilt, which I think will still provide closure.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 18, 2022 17:33:12 GMT -6
Do you guys that actually have deep dived and followed this case closely think there is any chance Paul will tell them where the body is? No. I think any chances of that happening are long gone. Just my opinion
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Post by brux on Oct 18, 2022 17:53:45 GMT -6
Do you guys that actually have deep dived and followed this case closely think there is any chance Paul will tell them where the body is? No. I think any chances of that happening are long gone. Just my opinion oh yeah, he’s going to spend the rest of his life appealing and denying everything.
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Post by cabbagecabbage on Oct 18, 2022 18:00:32 GMT -6
I can imagine Ruben’s jury knew he was guilty but decided because there wasn’t enough evidence, period.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 18, 2022 18:39:23 GMT -6
Paul being found guilty proves nothing else to me. Proves nothing about Ruben.
Facts are we know Paul was last seen with Kristen. We know Kristen disappeared. Now I would not have gone for 1st degree murder but maybe it means something different in CA.
They did not prove to me Kristen was ever in the yard. They've dug up many yards and took down the deck and did not prove K was in the yard.
Even if they did. They did not prove to me Ruben participated in burying her, moving her, reburying her. I waited for the smoking gun and I didn't see one. 🤷🏻♀️
Even if we removed the body from it all they still didn't show me where Ruben was actively helping Paul hide a body. They just did not. We can't convict in theories. We have to convict on evidence.
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