The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[athn64]

Apr 15, 2021 8:31:25 GMT -6 willow said:

Apr 15, 2021 8:28:09 GMT -6 athn64 said:

If you wver watched Legends of Tomorrow, Rip Hunter was originaly a time keeper gone rogue. Lots of universes have them.

I haven't watched that, no. I believe that it is a common theme, I just was ribbing at my H for "well actually"-ing me haha. 

I, for one, wish they had messed up certain events a little more.

And lol, I get that. No need for the nerd mansplaining!

[willow]

Apr 15, 2021 8:39:24 GMT -6 athn64 said:

Apr 15, 2021 8:31:25 GMT -6 willow said:

I haven't watched that, no. I believe that it is a common theme, I just was ribbing at my H for "well actually"-ing me haha. 

I, for one, wish they had messed up certain events a little more.

And lol, I get that. No need for the nerd mansplaining!

 In Umbrella Academy you mean, or in Loki?

[athn64]

Apr 15, 2021 8:58:13 GMT -6 willow said:

Apr 15, 2021 8:39:24 GMT -6 athn64 said:

I, for one, wish they had messed up certain events a little more.

And lol, I get that. No need for the nerd mansplaining!

 In Umbrella Academy you mean, or in Loki?

Lol. No in real life. I'm pretending that the secret time keeping organization is real.

[greykitty]

The new little featurette is fun!

link

[greykitty]

Oh, my, did not see Julie Louis-Dreyfuss coming! And she's perfect!

Wyatt Russell really is great in his role. I feel lots more for him, complicated as it is, than for our girl Karli.

Oh, Lemar -you were a good friend. Shame John lies to your family, though about who actually killed Lemar. Lemar's sister, is it? Does she seem a little dubious about John? Or just me?

Thank God Bucky isn't like Walker. Although I guess you could argue a little more channeling of the Winter Soldier may not have come so amiss in that fight.

Sam really need a more durable set of wings (wink wink). I think I know a country that has some really durable material to work with.

Sam is that good man Steve saw and more.

Hi, there, Torres! BTW, how's your skills on rebuilding wings? And using them?

Legal gray area LOL! Oh, I bet it is!

Ok, I never knew I'd feel so much for Zemo either. I really hope to see a lot more of him as villain and/or hero - or both.

So the Raft...which of course is not quite as escape proof as most would think, right?


Sobbed during Isaiah/Sam discussion. Nice to see Eli again. One heck of an origin story for Sam's role I think. Again, what wonderful actors MCU casts.

And how the hell did Bucky get pardoned come to think about it?

Love Sarah. The whole Wilson family.

And, yes, Sarah, Bucky is fine. And, yes, Sam, can't blame a guy for appreciating a good woman. Also Bucky is a fine repair guy. The boat repair scenes are everything!

What's in the box?!? And what sort of favor did Wakanda owe Bucky?

Gosh, I hope Sharon's playing a long game and is an agent for 'good'. But, hello, Batroc, again.

Misty eyed through the 'good talk' as well.

Love a good training montage. Sniffled at the end of it.


Watch through the credits!

[athn64]

There's a lot going on in the latest episode. It's definitely a transition episode, but they still jammed a lot in. TW that they show what happened last week at the end of the recaps. Our 4 year old was with us, and we had to cover her eyes.

Sam finally has the shield back! I'm betting that what's in the case is his Captain America uniform and wings! I'm mad that they're making us wait, but not surprised.

Bucky FINALLY apologizes to Sam about how he treated him over the shield and acknowledges that he wasn't looking at it from Sam's perspective. Some growth!

I loved Sam calling in all the favors for his parents to get the boat fixed up! Got to love when a community comes together.

I'm glad that Bucky made things right with Ayo and got them Zemo back. He still shouldn't have gone about everything the way he did, and Ayo was right to tell him to avoid Wakanda for the time being.

Walker continues to be the worst. He's so angry that they took the shield from him. To him, the shield is what makes a person Captain America. When in reality, Sam is Captan America even without the shield. The cut scene of him making his own definitely shows that. And his using his own medals and accomodations. I also see how devious he is being, by pretending his arm is still hurt (hello! accelerated healing!) around everyone.

I still don't want Sharon to be the Power Broker, and I'm hoping they are trying to over hint at her being it, so that there's some big twist at the end where she's not.

Also, Torres! H hopes he fixes up Sam's old wings and takes on the Falcon mantle.

And Sarah! I love Sarah Wilson! She's definitely the boss of that family. I liked that they laid out the whole sordid history of Isaiah this week, and I enjoyed Mackie showing Sam's conflicted emotions about the whole thing, and then Sarah comes in and gives him the talk he needed to become Captain America. And Sarah and Bucky totally flirted a bit. Lol.

I enjoyed the training montage too. Very nice.

Alright, so like I said, a lot to unpack. There's more to say, but those are my highlights.

[athn64]

greykitty, I think in John's mind, they all killed Lamar. He might even think the guy he killed is ultimately responsible.

And I was unsure if it was Lamar's sister or wife. But totally got the suspiscion from her as well.

[greykitty]

Apr 16, 2021 10:09:39 GMT -6 athn64 said:

greykitty , I think in John's mind, they all killed Lamar. He might even think the guy he killed is ultimately responsible.

And I was unsure if it was Lamar's sister or wife. But totally got the suspiscion from her as well.

Excellent point about John thinking the entire group is responsible, thank you - and not really unreasonable from his POV, I suppose.  I guess I was thinking he really didn't want to say he 'got the wrong guy' and didn't catch Karli, but your point I think explains his reaction at the time, and with Lemar's family, much better.


 That whole character is complicated, and I do think Wyatt is doing it really well.   I even felt for him at that 'hearing', as much as I wanted to rip the shield from him myself.

[athn64]

Apr 16, 2021 10:15:50 GMT -6 greykitty said:

Apr 16, 2021 10:09:39 GMT -6 athn64 said:

greykitty , I think in John's mind, they all killed Lamar. He might even think the guy he killed is ultimately responsible.

And I was unsure if it was Lamar's sister or wife. But totally got the suspiscion from her as well.

Excellent point about John thinking the entire group is responsible, thank you - and not really unreasonable from his POV, I suppose.  I guess I was thinking he really didn't want to say he 'got the wrong guy' and didn't catch Karli, but your point I think explains his reaction at the time, and with Lemar's family, much better.


 That whole character is complicated, and I do think Wyatt is doing it really well.   I even felt for him at that 'hearing', as much as I wanted to rip the shield from him myself.

Wyatt is an excellent actor and is doing an amazing job. The whole cast is amazing, as always.

I want to see what the Contessa is up to. In the Comics, she's originally a member of Leviathan before ultimately becoming Madame Hydra. But seeing as our BBEG in this is supposed to be the Power Broker, I wonder if she's connected to that as well.

[athn64]

And again, I'm so stoked for the intro of all the Young Avengers. Can't wait for Hawkeye and Kate Bishop.

[greykitty]

athn64, I think I read somewhat that Julia was supposed to show up in Black Widow, but thanks to COVID things got moved around a bit. I also want to say I read that FAWS had some reshooting to un-do some epidemic storyline, and I wonder if that impacted the Flag Smasher narrative.

I'm mean, right now, I'd be cheering for Zemo to take out Karli - that's how little I'm invested in her, and I think she's supposed to be a far more ambiguously hero/villain character. But, I don't think right now she cares any longer how many of her followers, or opponents, die to achieve her ends. That may be the serum working on her innate qualities, though. Or, I just don't like her LOL!

[athn64]

greykitty, I feel a lot more sympathy for her other super soldier followers right now. They are very hesitant with her ideals. I think Momma Donya's death and the murder of her right hand last week have basically killed the good part of her. I still want Sam to be able to redeem her somewhat, but don't see it happening right now.

[greykitty]

athn64, I agree with you regarding the other soldiers. It must be hard for them as well to feel misgivings, let alone act on them.

Oh, I almost forgot - I was so happy/excited to see it confirmed that Steve and Bucky did have some sort of 'talk' themselves back in Endgame. It seemed clear to me in that 'goodbye scene', and I think the writers/directors confirmed it, but it was a great beat. And, yes, to Steve and Bucky not fully seeing all the ramifications of what they were asking - but they certainly were asking the right guy, IMO.

And now the line where Steve told Bucky it would be 'all right' (sic)? After hearing Sam's counsel to Bucky today, I'm thinking Steve was indeed confident he was handing over the two most precious things in the world to just the right person. That Sam would be the friend that Bucky would need to move forward. I mean, Steve was always the 'man with a plan' right?

[athn64]

Apr 16, 2021 10:38:52 GMT -6 greykitty said:

athn64 , I agree with you regarding the other soldiers. It must be hard for them as well to feel misgivings, let alone act on them.

Oh, I almost forgot - I was so happy/excited to see it confirmed that Steve and Bucky did have some sort of 'talk' themselves back in Endgame. It seemed clear to me in that 'goodbye scene', and I think the writers/directors confirmed it, but it was a great beat. And, yes, to Steve and Bucky not fully seeing all the ramifications of what they were asking - but they certainly were asking the right guy, IMO.

And now the line where Steve told Bucky it would be 'all right' (sic)? After hearing Sam's counsel to Bucky today, I'm thinking Steve was indeed confident he was handing over the two most precious things in the world to just the right person. That Sam would be the friend that Bucky would need to move forward. I mean, Steve was always the 'man with a plan' right?

Everytime they mention Steve's "plans", I think of this:

[greykitty]

athn64, how I mourn that show being cancelled far too early. And Captain Tightpants wasn't hard to look at either. And yet another beautifully cast show!

[pianolove]

Character development!! Aaaahhh. I love to see it laid out cleanly with clearly written dialogue, no filler. There were so many mini arcs resolved or at least continued here, it almost felt like a feature film the way it all worked together.

I loved every minute. And we got two (2) great montages! I’m a total sucker for a good montage with inspiring music lol.

[Lakes]

Sam in counselor mode is so hot. Plus the training montage. Damn.

[Lakes]

End of episode feelings: I just want to see the prettiness that the Wakandans have created. Show meeeee.

[Lakes]

Do the higher ups not know that Walker took the serum? Did that not come to light at all? Did he keep the sling on during the hearings for cover?

[athn64]

Apr 16, 2021 18:23:15 GMT -6 Lakes said:

Do the higher ups not know that Walker took the serum? Did that not come to light at all? Did he keep the sling on during the hearings for cover?

I'm going with no. Basically the only ones that could tell on him would be Bucky and Sam. And they're staying out of it other than taking the shield.

[Lakes]

Apr 16, 2021 18:51:23 GMT -6 athn64 said:

Apr 16, 2021 18:23:15 GMT -6 Lakes said:

Do the higher ups not know that Walker took the serum? Did that not come to light at all? Did he keep the sling on during the hearings for cover?

I'm going with no. Basically the only ones that could tell on him would be Bucky and Sam. And they're staying out of it other than taking the shield.

One would have thought the military would have been a little “hmmmmm” after seeing the video but I’ll go along with it for plot development.

[willow]

I quite enjoyed this episode. There was so much to digest. I liked the Rocky sequence with Sam at the end. Ha.

Also this was the first episode where Bucky (well, Sebastian Stan) was super attractive to me, haha.

[richard]

I have no idea who JLD’s character is so I’m pretending she’s a European Selina Meyer and enjoying that deeply.

[richard]

I do wish the villains made a tiny bit of sense.

They said “Karli won’t stop” like 500 times in the episode. And I was like “until what??” No really, I’m asking!! Please tell me!😭

[athn64]

Apr 17, 2021 14:07:50 GMT -6 richard said:

I do wish the villains made a tiny bit of sense.

They said “Karli won’t stop” like 500 times in the episode. And I was like “until what??” No really, I’m asking!! Please tell me!😭

I think that's it. That she's never going to stop. That she's lost view of her end goal and has no compunction about burning the world down. 

[willow]

Apr 17, 2021 15:47:35 GMT -6 athn64 said:

Apr 17, 2021 14:07:50 GMT -6 richard said:

I do wish the villains made a tiny bit of sense.

They said “Karli won’t stop” like 500 times in the episode. And I was like “until what??” No really, I’m asking!! Please tell me!😭

I think that's it. That she's never going to stop. That she's lost view of her end goal and has no compunction about burning the world down. 

Yeah that’s how I saw it too, like she’s reaching the point that other superhero villains get to where they basically just want the world to implode.

[willow]

Apr 17, 2021 19:30:34 GMT -6 @icedtea said:

I think of refugees and children in cages and I get Karli completely. I am not saying she's doing it the right way, but I understand her way more than Mr Tall White and Entitled.

I get the initial motivation before she started murdering people but now I’m very uninterested. I do think maybe it’s the actress though. Just nothing about her compels me.

I think Wyatt Russell is knocking his character out of the park so maybe that’s why I enjoy his arc more.

[willow]

Apr 17, 2021 19:42:29 GMT -6 @icedtea said:

Apr 17, 2021 19:33:42 GMT -6 willow said:

I get the initial motivation before she started murdering people but now I’m very uninterested. I do think maybe it’s the actress though. Just nothing about her compels me.

I think Wyatt Russell is knocking his character out of the park so maybe that’s why I enjoy his arc more.

I want to watch him burn, not gonna lie. The distaste I have for him is intense.

"Him" being Walker, Russell is awesome.

I'm not happy Karli is killing people, but I've wanted the world to burn (figuratively, to be clear) while seeing border stuff sometimes, so I get it.

Not arguing, just talking.

I’m very interested to see more of the complicated dynamic and fights he’s going to have with Bucky and Sam than I am about them going to fight Karli again, lol. I totally get hating him too so I am not arguing either. It reminds me how much I enjoyed The Killmonger character because Michael B. Jordan played him so well and I could see how he got to where he was, and he sort of redeemed himself in the end with his regret (I feel like the wrong actor for that role could have just made him intensely unlikeable haha).

Anyway, I don’t actually LIKE Walker either and I see why he evokes that too from you or others. I am surprised at myself by how much I am enjoying his character haha.

[Cheshie6]

I’d smile at Bucky the way Sarah did too. Just saying’!

Hey ☺️

[richard]

Apr 17, 2021 19:30:34 GMT -6 @icedtea said:

I think of refugees and children in cages and I get Karli completely. I am not saying she's doing it the right way, but I understand her way more than Mr Tall White and Entitled.

But I’m saying why would they even be refugees?? It doesn’t make sense.

Karli survives Blip. Living her life with her bank account and worldly possessions intact. People come back from Blip. Say Karli is living in someone who returns home now...instead of her, the one with money, finding a new place (when half of the housing stock in the country sits empty), her government sends her and “millions” of people with bank accounts and jobs to camps in other countries.

So okay, pretend that makes sense. Karli would hate the Global Council. But now she’s going to bomb a place for voting on an act that would end the camps and send people back to their home countries.

And you’re telling me the middle-aged American white man with the latte in the park is on Karli’s side???