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Post by klw on Sept 20, 2020 15:31:20 GMT -6
We just had our hot water heater replaced with tankless. It is actually 2 small boxes called master and slave. I made the technician nervous when I asked about it
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Post by STP on Sept 20, 2020 15:32:38 GMT -6
I do think it’s likely privilege to be able to consider this. For a lot of people, they don’t have multiple choices for housing they can afford, in areas they live in, with all the considerations that entails (commute, family, schools, childcare).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:32:42 GMT -6
I don’t think I see the Native American tribe usage here. We do have Indian Trail Blvd a bit south of me. I think Indian Hills is a country club in Cobb. I’ll look out for it now because I’m curious. Flameful enough, i would purchase a home with Indian in the name. Counties, roads, country clubs, rivers, The Braves baseball team/stadium. There are actually so many. Cherokee, Chattahoochee, Etowah, Kennesaw, Allatoona, Creek.... Yea I think it’s especially prevalent on the west, northwest side of the city where the Chatahochee runs through but I can’t think of any up my way.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Sept 20, 2020 15:37:17 GMT -6
Huh? Like, the town name? We have a lot of towns names after the Native tribes that lived here. I am a NYer, so we don't have any towns that I know of with the name plantation in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:39:30 GMT -6
Huh? Like, the town name? We have a lot of towns names after the Native tribes that lived here. I am a NYer, so we don't have any towns that I know of with the name plantation in it. Like a subdivision. Sometimes I forget neighborhoods don’t mean the same thing everywhere lol. Suburban life.
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Post by lucilleaustero on Sept 20, 2020 15:45:30 GMT -6
Huh? Like, the town name? We have a lot of towns names after the Native tribes that lived here. I am a NYer, so we don't have any towns that I know of with the name plantation in it. Like a subdivision. Sometimes I forget neighborhoods don’t mean the same thing everywhere lol. Suburban life. Those arent a thing here. Towns are old and established and nothing new is being built due to lots of residents and no space.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:55:32 GMT -6
We just had our hot water heater replaced with tankless. It is actually 2 small boxes called master and slave. I made the technician nervous when I asked about it There is something in technology, related to computer drives, also with these names as when DH and I were talking about the master bedroom conversation he mentioned it.
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Post by babybean on Sept 20, 2020 16:03:49 GMT -6
I do think it’s likely privilege to be able to consider this. For a lot of people, they don’t have multiple choices for housing they can afford, in areas they live in, with all the considerations that entails (commute, family, schools, childcare). I was going to say this too. We were lucky to find landlords that would take us at all so this wouldn’t have been a consideration, even if it was something we were conscious of.
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Post by rvasc on Sept 20, 2020 16:13:39 GMT -6
True! Also a young black woman owning her own home on former plantation land would just be... satisfying. If this land was free then yes. But buying back land that my ancestors worked for free, in an area that is name plantation is not satisfactory to me. My family was with the shits. They took that land after slavery and share cropping ended in Jamaica. It’s still family land to this day. Buy? Not I. That’s very true. Reparations should be made. This was an insensitive take from me.
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Post by charlotte on Sept 20, 2020 16:30:28 GMT -6
Unfortunately the area I live in right now has a lot of relatively new subdivisions with “Plantation” in the name. I’m not from here but from what I’ve seen, the people living in those neighborhoods aren’t people I’d want to be neighbors with anyway. I would not buy one of those houses.
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Post by sunnysideup on Sept 20, 2020 17:03:07 GMT -6
My high school had Indian in the name and I can think of several subdivisions with plantation in the name (close to me) and streets with Indian _____. One of the main roads near my house is named that.
I still live in my hometown so I’m always surprised they haven’t renamed my high school.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:11:19 GMT -6
I’ve also heard that people wouldn’t let a name of a neighborhood stop them from buying their dream home. I’m interested to here from the yeses. I won’t be confrontational. I’m too ignorant for this. I’d wild out on the realtor, the neighbors, the dogs. Nope. Not I. I polled my family and they were all very much in the hell to the naw camp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 17:14:39 GMT -6
Unfortunately the area I live in right now has a lot of relatively new subdivisions with “Plantation” in the name. I’m not from here but from what I’ve seen, the people living in those neighborhoods aren’t people I’d want to be neighbors with anyway. I would not buy one of those houses. This was my family’s argument. “Do you know the type of people that live in neighborhoods with plantation in the name... would you want to live next to them?”
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Post by willow on Sept 20, 2020 18:44:00 GMT -6
I have never seen a neighborhood with the word “plantation” up here. It would really make me raise my eyebrows to see.
A lake in Minneapolis was renamed to the original Indian name back from the name of a white dude who didn’t even live in Minneapolis. This happened a few years ago. Not surprisingly there was a contingent (is, really, because it hasn’t ended the controversy) of people that were SO PISSED. It was/is something. Like who cares dudes it was some random guys name.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 20, 2020 19:20:46 GMT -6
A quick Google search tells me we have a Plantation Rd, Trail, and Place in the surrounding area. Lots of our "neighborhoods" don't have signs out front but do have names if you look at property records, so there are probably some. Also lots of Indian ____ names. There are some Native American mounds nearby-ish also. I'm in OH I could see having an HOA a benefit if the neighborhood wanted to come together to rename a street/the neighborhood, but since HOAs are the worst I'm not sure it's worth it. Oh now I wonder where you are. My aunt lives near some mounds. I'm thinking about later in the year (probably not until spring at this point) taking the boys to see some of the different mounds around Ohio. We have one in our town but I want to go see the serpent mounds.
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Post by FlightView on Sept 20, 2020 19:24:45 GMT -6
No. I would not.
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Post by bobyn on Sept 20, 2020 19:26:30 GMT -6
I can't say I've ever noticed a subdivision with Plantation in the name, but I don't really pay attention to them.
I Googled and there is a golf club nearby named Plantation and, knowing the general area it's in, I'm not that surprised.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 20, 2020 19:30:29 GMT -6
I grew up right near Plantation, FL. It bothered me then, and I have always wondered when it will be changed. Isn’t there a restaurant chain called Soup Plantation? Oof. According to MFM, they have closed up shop.
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Post by mrsweasley on Sept 20, 2020 19:34:57 GMT -6
A quick Google search tells me we have a Plantation Rd, Trail, and Place in the surrounding area. Lots of our "neighborhoods" don't have signs out front but do have names if you look at property records, so there are probably some. Also lots of Indian ____ names. There are some Native American mounds nearby-ish also. I'm in OH I could see having an HOA a benefit if the neighborhood wanted to come together to rename a street/the neighborhood, but since HOAs are the worst I'm not sure it's worth it. Oh now I wonder where you are. My aunt lives near some mounds. I'm thinking about later in the year (probably not until spring at this point) taking the boys to see some of the different mounds around Ohio. We have one in our town but I want to go see the serpent mounds. I'm pretty sure we're on opposite sides of the state, based on things you've said before ETA: and about 1.5 hrs from the Serpent Mound.
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Post by marygracerich on Sept 20, 2020 19:38:29 GMT -6
Huh? Like, the town name? We have a lot of towns names after the Native tribes that lived here. I am a NYer, so we don't have any towns that I know of with the name plantation in it. We don’t really have towns with the word plantation in it but Monticello was the name of Thomas Jefferson plantation so I would argue that’s a similar type of situation. I do agree that we have a ton of places named after Native American tribes or using native words.
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Post by allthekristys on Sept 20, 2020 19:42:55 GMT -6
I’m in south jersey and the only place around this area that I’ve ever seen with plantation in it’s name is a campground at the shore. The kind of seasonal campground you buy a camper and park it there year round. My MIL owns a camper there. I went for the 1st time this year and as we pulled up I saw the name and my jaw almost dropped.
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Post by McBenny on Sept 20, 2020 22:15:38 GMT -6
I presented this as dinner to the whole family. We agree. If it was our dream house, we would have no issue with it.
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Post by McBenny on Sept 20, 2020 22:20:43 GMT -6
We have always lived with confederate statues around, actual plantations around, a subdivision with that name wouldn't really stand out as oh where the racists are. Unless it's a new sub like MH brought up.
Actual plantation land, no. A named sub that's been around, he wouldn't care.
That being said we didn't have any neighborhoods with any plantation anything that either of us could recall.
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Post by cactus on Sept 21, 2020 0:25:01 GMT -6
It’s the appropriation. We stole the land and murdered the people who lived here, and now we will use their language for our subdivisions. This is actually interesting to me. Are they offensive words being used or actual Indigenous language? I’ve always seen it received as a positive things to use the original language. Like Toronto is actually Tkaronto, so Indigenous folk will call it that or say they’re living on Dish with One Spoon territory. Streets and schools and such will have Indigenous names too. To me, there is a difference between using the term “Indian” as a blanket adjective and using the Ojibwe/Sioux (or other tribal) name - as long as it isn’t being tokenized. For example, in our area several lakes have been renamed to their original Ojibwe name.
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Post by babybean on Sept 21, 2020 6:30:43 GMT -6
This is actually interesting to me. Are they offensive words being used or actual Indigenous language? I’ve always seen it received as a positive things to use the original language. Like Toronto is actually Tkaronto, so Indigenous folk will call it that or say they’re living on Dish with One Spoon territory. Streets and schools and such will have Indigenous names too. To me, there is a difference between using the term “Indian” as a blanket adjective and using the Ojibwe/Sioux (or other tribal) name - as long as it isn’t being tokenized. For example, in our area several lakes have been renamed to their original Ojibwe name. oh for sure, ”Indian” is a no go for me. It’s not used as loosely here as it is in the US. Eta: I wasn’t sure if the names mentioned were original language or all like “Indian” Valley Trail.
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Post by AnnPerkins on Sept 21, 2020 7:03:12 GMT -6
Plantation and Indian are used freely and with vigor in my area. Because Alabama.
I never gave either name much thought when we were looking for a house 5yrs ago, but now the idea would definitely give me a hefty pause.
As it is, many of the areas with those names are newish cookie-cutter subdivisions, which I loathe, so it probably wouldn't be an issue for me.
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Post by spicysalmonroll on Sept 21, 2020 7:31:52 GMT -6
Yup, here in MA my school mascot was Indians and all the lakes are like Manchaug, Packachoag, etc so I never gave it a second thought until now. We don't really have any named neighborhoods here, even the few HOA ones are just called "Susan Drive".
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Post by xtine22 on Sept 21, 2020 8:18:30 GMT -6
I wouldn't, but I guess that's also easy to say since it's not really a thing near me. However, I did grow up in RI which has plantation in the damn name. People always defended it, saying that when Roger Williams named the state, it was a more generic word. They totally ignore how entrenched RI was in the slave trade and how the word's meaning evolved. I believe I saw that they're finally tacking the name change this year. Providence cops have also been utter bullshit to BLM protesters, so in addition to the name change maybe they can do something about that. There was a HUGE thing about getting plantation out of RIs name. It’s ridiculous, no one calls RI by it’s full name. I think their actual licenses just say RI. Just change it to RI, which everyone calls it and I’m sure there are a lot of native RI’er who don’t realize that RI isn’t it actual name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:27:44 GMT -6
I wouldn't, but I guess that's also easy to say since it's not really a thing near me. However, I did grow up in RI which has plantation in the damn name. People always defended it, saying that when Roger Williams named the state, it was a more generic word. They totally ignore how entrenched RI was in the slave trade and how the word's meaning evolved. I believe I saw that they're finally tacking the name change this year. Providence cops have also been utter bullshit to BLM protesters, so in addition to the name change maybe they can do something about that. There was a HUGE thing about getting plantation out of RIs name. It’s ridiculous, no one calls RI by it’s full name. I think their actual licenses just say RI. Just change it to RI, which everyone calls it and I’m sure there are a lot of native RI’er who don’t realize that RI isn’t it actual name. Plantation is in the name of the state or am I misunderstanding?
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Post by STP on Sept 21, 2020 8:39:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't, but I guess that's also easy to say since it's not really a thing near me. However, I did grow up in RI which has plantation in the damn name. People always defended it, saying that when Roger Williams named the state, it was a more generic word. They totally ignore how entrenched RI was in the slave trade and how the word's meaning evolved. I believe I saw that they're finally tacking the name change this year. Providence cops have also been utter bullshit to BLM protesters, so in addition to the name change maybe they can do something about that. There was a HUGE thing about getting plantation out of RIs name. It’s ridiculous, no one calls RI by it’s full name. I think their actual licenses just say RI. Just change it to RI, which everyone calls it and I’m sure there are a lot of native RI’er who don’t realize that RI isn’t it actual name. I had to google this.
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