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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:32:01 GMT -6
We have an entire huge neighborhood in my town that only uses native names as road names. Like, it's themed. But the neighborhood itself is called something totally mundane and you would have no idea until you drove in there. Yes my grandparents actually used to live in a subdivision called lake arrowhead and all road names in that subdivision are tribe names.
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Post by MsLAP on Sept 20, 2020 14:32:15 GMT -6
I have before. If I found the perfect home I wouldn’t let a neighborhood name deter me. If it bothered me enough I would just advocate, petition, etc to have it changed.
I grew up in the south and lived there for most of my life so it’s not anything out of the norm for me though.
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Post by paperbagliz on Sept 20, 2020 14:35:00 GMT -6
On Tapa so I don’t see the poll, but this has been in my local news recently.
PDQ: I live near *poof.*
Three of the communities have been discussing (and at least one already voting) on removing the word plantation from their names. It’s been heated in the online comments of course, but I’m glad they’re being called out for it. It needs to be changed.
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Post by babybean on Sept 20, 2020 14:35:48 GMT -6
I may regret asking but how come? I have never seen plantation in my area but we have a lot of Indian named areas. Is it appropriation or maybe something I'm completely unaware of? It’s the appropriation. We stole the land and murdered the people who lived here, and now we will use their language for our subdivisions. This is actually interesting to me. Are they offensive words being used or actual Indigenous language? I’ve always seen it received as a positive things to use the original language. Like Toronto is actually Tkaronto, so Indigenous folk will call it that or say they’re living on Dish with One Spoon territory. Streets and schools and such will have Indigenous names too.
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Post by STP on Sept 20, 2020 14:38:27 GMT -6
It’s the appropriation. We stole the land and murdered the people who lived here, and now we will use their language for our subdivisions. This is actually interesting to me. Are they offensive words being used or actual Indigenous language? I’ve always seen it received as a positive things to use the original language. Like Toronto is actually Tkaronto, so Indigenous folk will call it that or say they’re living on Dish with One Spoon territory. Streets and schools and such will have Indigenous names too. Idk that I can speak to that beyond reading the positions of groups like NCAI.
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Post by STP on Sept 20, 2020 14:39:15 GMT -6
It’s the same reason calling a baseball team the Indians or white girls talking about their spirit animals isn’t really appreciated.
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Post by jaidit on Sept 20, 2020 14:43:03 GMT -6
Personally I could never. Just like I could never live in a home that was once a slave owning house. I couldn’t. I don't believe she is talking about living at an actual plantation (pretty sure you'd have a hard time prying it from a family without major $$$). Like the name for the neighborhood/subdivision. As far as I know that is not a name used here. It would be a bit out of place here. No I understand I’m just saying I equate the two situations.
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Post by willow on Sept 20, 2020 14:46:51 GMT -6
I worked in Plantation FL when I lived down there. I found it a very strange name for a town.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:49:07 GMT -6
But then there’s a part of me that really doesn’t know if it matters? If it’s the perfect house, would I not buy it just on principle? The neighborhood isn’t a business. The name plantation isn’t making money.
If that makes sense?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:52:20 GMT -6
Like what does me not buying in the neighborhood do?
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Post by imapenguin on Sept 20, 2020 14:53:30 GMT -6
We looked in a plantation named neighborhood at one time and eventually ruled it out for other reasons, but I admit the name of it was never a thing we considered. That’s definitely our privilege showing.
Where we live now is set up a bit differently and I don’t think I even knew the name of our neighborhood until after we moved it. I did cross a house off of our list based on its written address though...I just couldn’t abide by putting morning wood on my Christmas cards.
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Post by gingy on Sept 20, 2020 14:53:56 GMT -6
I don’t think we have any plantation-named neighborhoods. Lots of Indian references, including a few tribal names used for parks, etc.
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Post by Pistol on Sept 20, 2020 14:54:07 GMT -6
I've never seen a neighborhood/area with plantation in the name so it's not anything I had ever thought about. I think a lot depends on the housing market and limitations caused by my income level on if I would do it. If its the only place I can afford? I'll just be feeling mighty uncomfortable. But if there were 2 comparable houses I could afford and one was in xyz plantation neighborhood and the other was just some random neighborhood name, I would likely pick the non plantation named neighborhood.
We do have a lot of Indian names around here. There's a whole subdivision that the name of the subdivision itself is a tribe name and then each of the streets are various tribes (Cherokee drive, Seneca drive, etc) on one side of the main drag through it and the other side very much white people names which has given me pause in the past. I never realized it until a year or two ago when I was mailing out postcards for my business and was going through each of the streets in that subdivision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:55:24 GMT -6
We looked in a plantation named neighborhood at one time and eventually ruled it out for other reasons, but I admit the name of it was never a thing we considered. That’s definitely our privilege showing. Where we live now is set up a bit differently and I don’t think I even knew the name of our neighborhood until after we moved it. I did cross a house off of our list based on its written address though...I just couldn’t abide by putting morning wood on my Christmas cards. Lmao
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Post by rvasc on Sept 20, 2020 14:55:49 GMT -6
Like what does me not buying in the neighborhood do? Well, if enough people refused to live there, they would change the name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:58:06 GMT -6
Like what does me not buying in the neighborhood do? Well, if enough people refused to live there, they would change the name. But that would never happen. Realistically speaking.
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Post by MsLAP on Sept 20, 2020 14:58:10 GMT -6
But then there’s a part of me that really doesn’t know if it matters? If it’s the perfect house, would I not buy it just on principle? The neighborhood isn’t a business. The name plantation isn’t making money. If that makes sense? This is where I am. Plus, I feel change would be more effective from within. But in all honestly, the name of the subdivision is very low on the list of priorities *for me*
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Post by imapenguin on Sept 20, 2020 14:58:28 GMT -6
We looked in a plantation named neighborhood at one time and eventually ruled it out for other reasons, but I admit the name of it was never a thing we considered. That’s definitely our privilege showing. Where we live now is set up a bit differently and I don’t think I even knew the name of our neighborhood until after we moved it. I did cross a house off of our list based on its written address though...I just couldn’t abide by putting morning wood on my Christmas cards. Lmao I still cannot believe a developer did this. image hosting
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Post by coffeecake on Sept 20, 2020 15:00:01 GMT -6
It’s not a thing where I live, so I’m not sure. There are some Native American related names where I live, including at least one school. The name of the school has not been changed, but the mascot was changed sometime in the last decade. It was originally a caricature of a Native American chief and I’m glad that’s gone. It was definitely not ok.
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Sept 20, 2020 15:00:31 GMT -6
We have a Bonerwood Dr here which I still find hilarious. Would never live there though.
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Post by rvasc on Sept 20, 2020 15:00:56 GMT -6
Well, if enough people refused to live there, they would change the name. But that would never happen. Realistically speaking. True! Also a young black woman owning her own home on former plantation land would just be... satisfying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:01:46 GMT -6
We have a morningwood near me too. It’s honestly so hilarious.
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Post by mrsweasley on Sept 20, 2020 15:05:21 GMT -6
A quick Google search tells me we have a Plantation Rd, Trail, and Place in the surrounding area. Lots of our "neighborhoods" don't have signs out front but do have names if you look at property records, so there are probably some. Also lots of Indian ____ names. There are some Native American mounds nearby-ish also. I'm in OH
I could see having an HOA a benefit if the neighborhood wanted to come together to rename a street/the neighborhood, but since HOAs are the worst I'm not sure it's worth it.
ETA: I just remembered one of the Plantation roads is in a neighborhood where a the streets are related to something from Gone With the Wind
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Post by babybean on Sept 20, 2020 15:11:51 GMT -6
Well, if enough people refused to live there, they would change the name. But that would never happen. Realistically speaking. There are racists plastered all over our money and statues and buildings named after them and they’re taught about in schools in a positive manner so I don’t think plantation being in a name will be something that’s changed anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:15:24 GMT -6
But that would never happen. Realistically speaking. True! Also a young black woman owning her own home on former plantation land would just be... satisfying. With my BLM flag
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Post by goldenbird on Sept 20, 2020 15:16:25 GMT -6
I have seen neighborhoods around here with Plantation in the name. Also street names that are problematic. Wigwam springs to mind. WTF.
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Post by fancynewbeesly on Sept 20, 2020 15:17:33 GMT -6
We are in the NorthEast so no Plantation names/streets etc. However we have a TON of Indian names. Indian Hill Rd for example.
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Post by jaidit on Sept 20, 2020 15:18:55 GMT -6
But that would never happen. Realistically speaking. True! Also a young black woman owning her own home on former plantation land would just be... satisfying. I saw a recent article about a black actor who bought a former plantation in New England. And when I read that, and how he wanted to change the homes story, it made complete sense. As a white person, I feel like it’s not my place to be a part of these narratives.
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Post by goldenbird on Sept 20, 2020 15:20:08 GMT -6
I voted yes only because if we needed to move and it was the best house for us that we could afford, then I would. According to MH we are never moving so I don't expect it to come up.
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Post by Sweetjane on Sept 20, 2020 15:25:37 GMT -6
I don’t think I see the Native American tribe usage here. We do have Indian Trail Blvd a bit south of me. I think Indian Hills is a country club in Cobb. I’ll look out for it now because I’m curious. Flameful enough, i would purchase a home with Indian in the name. Counties, roads, country clubs, rivers, The Braves baseball team/stadium. There are actually so many. Cherokee, Chattahoochee, Etowah, Kennesaw, Allatoona, Creek....
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