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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 18:01:35 GMT -6
I don’t think cnf was saying it should be cancelled. I think it’s more of it’s something far away why is this a talking point and not schools (and other things) (But don’t let me put words in your mouth lol) You are correct. I don't have any issues with the fair this year, but I feel like in the immediate we should be focusing on the end of the school year and making the most of these last few months for our kids who have now lost a full year of true, quality education and other services. But the fair is farm animals, rides and food. Other stuff too. It's not educators and it doesn't impact their budget
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 18:11:46 GMT -6
I love the fair. I grew up ten minutes from the fair grounds and I never miss a year. I know it's not equivalent to schools and that it's not until August, but I just can't get on board with the optics of opening sports and the fair and letting bars be open later, but then doing nothing to try and get schools reopened. I guess I don't understand why education isn't a priority when the data and science points to schools being safe. And not even just for my kid, but teaching the way we have to in hybrid is awful. I want my kids back in my room. It's safe and it sucks that they aren't a priority. I've been watching a two hour county legislator meeting about opening schools so our county is talking about it. These are two different things. The sports and the stuff in the fall is a whole different situation than the Fair in August. Biden has said that they expect vaccines to be available to every adult by July. At some point things need to go forward people need to make money I am aware these things are two very different things to look at. And I'm aware that all adults can be vaccinated by mid summer. School's over by July so that doesn't help our kids now. But if kids can smash around on a basketball court why can't they sit a few feet closer to each other in class? And I'll be the first to say it, the social distancing in school is mediocre as it is. The second kids aren't seated in their spread apart seats does anyone honestly think they are standing six feet apart? That they walk six feet apart in halls? While in line to get lunch? Because they don't. I see it every day. And there's still minimal spread. Teachers are being heavily prioritized for vaccines. Transmission in schools is basically non-existent. Masks work. SD, as much as kids do, works. I'm just annoyed that Cuomo is ok with fans at Bill's games but not kids in school. And yes, it's easy to SD there, and masks, and outside, and all those talking points, but it still looks shitty as a teacher and a parent of a school aged kid. I know businesses need to resume and people need to make money again. But kids need to be educated properly, get services, be fed, and whatever else they get from school. And what about the sacrifices families are making because of the school situation? My husband is working nights now because someone has to be home during the day because we can't afford to send three kids to daycare when one should be in school. Learning from a certified teacher, not her father, who is now up all day parenting then up all night working. I'm fine with businesses reopening, with sports resuming, with restaurants getting more open hours back. If we're doing everything for everyone then our kids need to be included in that too. And for the most part, they aren't. Where can I watch the county meeting? I wish that was more widely public information. I didn't even know that was a thing that was going to happen. So again, as a parent and a teacher, a little would go a long way.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 18:14:04 GMT -6
You are correct. I don't have any issues with the fair this year, but I feel like in the immediate we should be focusing on the end of the school year and making the most of these last few months for our kids who have now lost a full year of true, quality education and other services. But the fair is farm animals, rides and food. Other stuff too. It's not educators and it doesn't impact their budget But it's hundreds of thousands of people congregating shoulder to shoulder. In those buildings where half the time you can't move because they're so packed. Even outside areas are often impossible to move around in. We can't fit 25 kids in a classroom but we can pack X00,000 people a day into the fair? Into the center of commerce building? To look at butter?
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 18:25:44 GMT -6
But the fair is farm animals, rides and food. Other stuff too. It's not educators and it doesn't impact their budget But it's hundreds of thousands of people congregating shoulder to shoulder. In those buildings where half the time you can't move because they're so packed. Even outside areas are often impossible to move around in. We can't fit 25 kids in a classroom but we can pack X00,000 people a day into the fair? Into the center of commerce building? To look at butter? He said if there was anyway possible to safely open it they would. That to me doesn't mean 100k at the butter sculpture. There are a ton of farm events and a lot of other stuff that doesn't involve crowds. spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/new-york-state-fair/2021/02/22/new-york-state-fair-2021The meeting should be on the county website. I think it's over now. I follow a lot of the reporters on Twitter and they usually talk about the meetings.
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Post by kmkd on Feb 22, 2021 18:46:13 GMT -6
I don’t think cnf was saying it should be cancelled. I think it’s more of it’s something far away why is this a talking point and not schools (and other things) (But don’t let me put words in your mouth lol) You are correct. I don't have any issues with the fair this year, but I feel like in the immediate we should be focusing on the end of the school year and making the most of these last few months for our kids who have now lost a full year of true, quality education and other services. Well, it’s not a universal issue. Cuomo isn’t keeping all kids out of 5 day school. My kids and pretty much all k-5 kids around here have been 5 days in person all year. It’s #regional. So the districts need to focus on it.
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 18:48:20 GMT -6
You are correct. I don't have any issues with the fair this year, but I feel like in the immediate we should be focusing on the end of the school year and making the most of these last few months for our kids who have now lost a full year of true, quality education and other services. Well, it’s not a universal issue. Cuomo isn’t keeping all kids out of 5 day school. My kids and pretty much all k-5 kids around here have been 5 days in person all year. It’s #regional. So the districts need to focus on it. Mine is open five days too. The health department today said it was district by district and parents need to reach out to them to see where they are at in the reopening plans
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Post by Cher on Feb 22, 2021 19:19:57 GMT -6
But schools are open. It’s not a Cuomo issue, it’s a regional issue. I am on a local reopening school group on FB. There was an article in our local paper today that the state told our superintendents that if you can’t stay 6 feet apart, plexiglass barriers will suffice. It’s a big deal on the group today because I don’t know if you heard, but my area is getting a filtration system. 🤣 So now everyone’s like, wait why are we spending a gazillion dollars on a filtration system when dividers would have been fine? That said, little late for us, but it may be something you want to look into cnf. I know getting back full-time is really important to you. Also, if you can’t make meetings, email the superintendent, the principal, whoever. Ask where they are in the process and what the timeline is. Our district has been so transparent with that stuff. I would ask about their plan and, if there isn’t one, that’s a sign that you may need to organize. Our local reopening fb group has been instrumental, they tell people when to write letters, call Cuomo, attend meetings, etc. I haven’t always agreed with their timeline but it has kept me in the loop throughout the process. Never underestimate the power of a group of frustrated moms.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:23:14 GMT -6
Well, it’s not a universal issue. Cuomo isn’t keeping all kids out of 5 day school. My kids and pretty much all k-5 kids around here have been 5 days in person all year. It’s #regional. So the districts need to focus on it. Mine is open five days too. The health department today said it was district by district and parents need to reach out to them to see where they are at in the reopening plans But the six foot regulation is the issue. If they can't figure out how to fit them all six feet apart they can't all be there. So telling them to figure it out only gets so far. Many districts are at an impasse and looking to the state for some leeway in guidance so they can reopen. And Cuomo just responds with "work on it" but they physically can't, so 🤷🏻♀️ The district I teach in is hybrid and our superintendent has said that unless the six foot rule is loosened that won't change. And we're hearing the same from my kid's district. It's not as simple as just work on it or figure it out.
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Post by kmkd on Feb 22, 2021 19:30:18 GMT -6
Mine is open five days too. The health department today said it was district by district and parents need to reach out to them to see where they are at in the reopening plans But the six foot regulation is the issue. If they can't figure out how to fit them all six feet apart they can't all be there. So telling them to figure it out only gets so far. Many districts are at an impasse and looking to the state for some leeway in guidance so they can reopen. And Cuomo just responds with "work on it" but they physically can't, so 🤷🏻♀️ The district I teach in is hybrid and our superintendent has said that unless the six foot rule is loosened that won't change. And we're hearing the same from my kid's district. It's not as simple as just work on it or figure it out. So how is keeping the fair closed the answer?
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 19:32:48 GMT -6
Mine is open five days too. The health department today said it was district by district and parents need to reach out to them to see where they are at in the reopening plans But the six foot regulation is the issue. If they can't figure out how to fit them all six feet apart they can't all be there. So telling them to figure it out only gets so far. Many districts are at an impasse and looking to the state for some leeway in guidance so they can reopen. And Cuomo just responds with "work on it" but they physically can't, so 🤷🏻♀️ The district I teach in is hybrid and our superintendent has said that unless the six foot rule is loosened that won't change. And we're hearing the same from my kid's district. It's not as simple as just work on it or figure it out. Ours is planning to move past the six feet once the teachers have all been offered vaccines. This isn't a statewide thing. Another district in the area said they are moving towards full time too. I don't really know your schools situation.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:34:56 GMT -6
But schools are open. It’s not a Cuomo issue, it’s a regional issue. I am on a local reopening school group on FB. There was an article in our local paper today that the state told our superintendents that if you can’t stay 6 feet apart, plexiglass barriers will suffice. It’s a big deal on the group today because I don’t know if you heard, but my area is getting a filtration system. 🤣 So now everyone’s like, wait why are we spending a gazillion dollars on a filtration system when dividers would have been fine? That said, little late for us, but it may be something you want to look into cnf. I know getting back full-time is really important to you. Also, if you can’t make meetings, email the superintendent, the principal, whoever. Ask where they are in the process and what the timeline is. Our district has been so transparent with that stuff. I would ask about their plan and, if there isn’t one, that’s a sign that you may need to organize. Our local reopening fb group has been instrumental, they tell people when to write letters, call Cuomo, attend meetings, etc. I haven’t always agreed with their timeline but it has kept me in the loop throughout the process. Never underestimate the power of a group of frustrated moms. I have reached out before, but I will again. And calling Cuomo's office daily is penciled into my calendar already. I just feel like if regulations and restrictions for other functional components of society can be loosened and changed to allow them to operate more normally, schools should also be offered that as well. I'm in no way trying to be argument menti, bbut in three weeks we hit that one year mark of when everything closed. So much has changed in that time. So many other things that got strangled by regulations have seen those lifted to some degree. As a parent who's kid is struggling, as a teacher who is teaching virtually and in person simultaneously all day and struggling, it's sad. I'm sad for me, for my kid who is losing out, for my students who aren't getting the best they could be from me or other educators. I'm sad, I'm frustrated, I'm pissed. It's nice that some of you aren't caught up in this because your districts can make five days a week work, but there are a lot of kids who don't have that and it fucking sucks. There are a lot of kids and families still suffering from the shut down a year later. And it just sucks.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:36:01 GMT -6
But the six foot regulation is the issue. If they can't figure out how to fit them all six feet apart they can't all be there. So telling them to figure it out only gets so far. Many districts are at an impasse and looking to the state for some leeway in guidance so they can reopen. And Cuomo just responds with "work on it" but they physically can't, so 🤷🏻♀️ The district I teach in is hybrid and our superintendent has said that unless the six foot rule is loosened that won't change. And we're hearing the same from my kid's district. It's not as simple as just work on it or figure it out. So how is keeping the fair closed the answer? I never said it was. I just feel like we should be discussing things that are immediate, like school that is in session now, not the fair on labor day.
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Post by Cher on Feb 22, 2021 19:36:54 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time.
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 19:37:53 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time. I know. One of my siblings is in North Carolina and there is no end in sight
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:39:25 GMT -6
You are correct. I don't have any issues with the fair this year, but I feel like in the immediate we should be focusing on the end of the school year and making the most of these last few months for our kids who have now lost a full year of true, quality education and other services. I think it's just that the two are so wildly different in scope/purpose/etc that it doesn't make sense to connect them at all for a lot of people. I know they're different. But literally my entire personal and professional life are impacted negatively with the current school situation. The optics of allowing wine slushies and butter sculptures to people who will not be six feet apart, but telling kids and parents they can only go to school two days a week because they need to be six feet apart, is kind of shitty.
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Post by teraiin on Feb 22, 2021 19:40:07 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time. There are some students in this state who have not had an option to send their kids back. We are fortunate that MOST districts have offered some sort of in person. But not all have
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Post by Cher on Feb 22, 2021 19:40:28 GMT -6
But schools are open. It’s not a Cuomo issue, it’s a regional issue. I am on a local reopening school group on FB. There was an article in our local paper today that the state told our superintendents that if you can’t stay 6 feet apart, plexiglass barriers will suffice. It’s a big deal on the group today because I don’t know if you heard, but my area is getting a filtration system. 🤣 So now everyone’s like, wait why are we spending a gazillion dollars on a filtration system when dividers would have been fine? That said, little late for us, but it may be something you want to look into cnf. I know getting back full-time is really important to you. Also, if you can’t make meetings, email the superintendent, the principal, whoever. Ask where they are in the process and what the timeline is. Our district has been so transparent with that stuff. I would ask about their plan and, if there isn’t one, that’s a sign that you may need to organize. Our local reopening fb group has been instrumental, they tell people when to write letters, call Cuomo, attend meetings, etc. I haven’t always agreed with their timeline but it has kept me in the loop throughout the process. Never underestimate the power of a group of frustrated moms. I have reached out before, but I will again. And calling Cuomo's office daily is penciled into my calendar already. I just feel like if regulations and restrictions for other functional components of society can be loosened and changed to allow them to operate more normally, schools should also be offered that as well. I'm in no way trying to be argument menti, bbut in three weeks we hit that one year mark of when everything closed. So much has changed in that time. So many other things that got strangled by regulations have seen those lifted to some degree. As a parent who's kid is struggling, as a teacher who is teaching virtually and in person simultaneously all day and struggling, it's sad. I'm sad for me, for my kid who is losing out, for my students who aren't getting the best they could be from me or other educators. I'm sad, I'm frustrated, I'm pissed. It's nice that some of you aren't caught up in this because your districts can make five days a week work, but there are a lot of kids who don't have that and it fucking sucks. There are a lot of kids and families still suffering from the shut down a year later. And it just sucks. I mean, my kids aren’t back five days. I will tell you that my husband’s business has been severely impacted and we have taken a substantial hit this year so I’m going to cheer on any movement for the economy. I am terrified to think what happens to NYS if things continue to go this way. I think we all have our struggles with this pandemic and just because one person’s doesn’t line up with another’s, it doesn’t mean that family isn’t suffering too.
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Post by kmkd on Feb 22, 2021 19:41:53 GMT -6
So how is keeping the fair closed the answer? I never said it was. I just feel like we should be discussing things that are immediate, like school that is in session now, not the fair on labor day. And what I’m trying to say is that you’re putting the two things together as if one takes away from the other. That’s not true. I’m sorry that you’re struggling. Everyone is struggling in different ways. While you’re stressing about your kid not being in school full time, someone else is worried about their business making money to feed their family and is hoping they will have the fair this summer. It is possible for all of this to be true. It sucks all around.
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Post by PandaWatch on Feb 22, 2021 19:43:26 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time. Yep. The public schools in my county (MD) have been closed since last March. No hybrid; all remote. They’re supposed to open next month. We’ll see: they keep pushing the date back (was originally November). Thankfully my kids aren’t in our district school. I would not have survived if they weren’t back in school.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:43:43 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time. I do agree with this. It does blow my mind that some places have zero in person education still. The one year anniversary of the shut down is eating away at me. A year ago today I was on a girls trip in Florida, playing at Disney, eating food at Epcot, and prepping to run a 40,000 person half marathon. And now my kid is doing school at the kitchen counter, my husband and I only see each other in passing five days a week, and I'm teaching to a giant screen of avatars because kids won't turn their cameras on.
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Post by fancynewbeesly on Feb 22, 2021 19:46:03 GMT -6
cnf, I don't know in NY, but in NJ they are required to keep a virtual option through the year. So EVEN if our district is 5 days, full days, the teacher would still be teaching virtual at the same time as in class kids. I know in DD's class right now (our district is going back and combining cohorts and doing 4 half days)-the teacher is still going to be teaching the 5 virtual kids at the same time. It is awful. I wish (and SO many teachers wish) that there was a virtual only class for kids--but too many parents complained because they didn't want teachers to switch and now teachers are definitely going to be doing both until the end of the year.
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 19:48:42 GMT -6
Walking around a fair, even staring at a butter sculpture (NY is weird, man) is also going to be different than sitting in a classroom all day. So the optics aren't the same to me on that level. Again, none of that means it doesn't suck or that I think they shouldn't be working on schools. It's a shitshow here too. My preschooler is freaking traumatized. We're all hurting. I also think things are going to look a lot different in six months. Not 25 k trying to view the butter sculpture but Fauci was talking about possibly having the little kids starting to be vaccinated in the Fall. That's huge! Things look so different than six months ago besides the Cheeto sized lump we lost
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Post by kmkd on Feb 22, 2021 19:49:17 GMT -6
I think it's just that the two are so wildly different in scope/purpose/etc that it doesn't make sense to connect them at all for a lot of people. I know they're different. But literally my entire personal and professional life are impacted negatively with the current school situation. The optics of allowing wine slushies and butter sculptures to people who will not be six feet apart, but telling kids and parents they can only go to school two days a week because they need to be six feet apart, is kind of shitty. I think it’s kind of shitty to reduce it to optics, wine slushees, and butter when we’re trying to explain why it’s important to some people.
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 19:49:18 GMT -6
The Butter Sculpture is weird 🧈
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:52:38 GMT -6
cnf, I don't know in NY, but in NJ they are required to keep a virtual option through the year. So EVEN if our district is 5 days, full days, the teacher would still be teaching virtual at the same time as in class kids. I know in DD's class right now (our district is going back and combining cohorts and doing 4 half days)-the teacher is still going to be teaching the 5 virtual kids at the same time. It is awful. I wish (and SO many teachers wish) that there was a virtual only class for kids--but too many parents complained because they didn't want teachers to switch and now teachers are definitely going to be doing both until the end of the year. Virtual will definitely not be going away for us this year either. It'd be a hell of a lot better to have 20 kids in the room and five virtual instead of 20 virtual and five in the room. It's so hard to get participation this way. It's hard to engage the kids on both ends. I'm sad at how far behind behind kids are falling, in all areas, not just academics.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:57:21 GMT -6
I know they're different. But literally my entire personal and professional life are impacted negatively with the current school situation. The optics of allowing wine slushies and butter sculptures to people who will not be six feet apart, but telling kids and parents they can only go to school two days a week because they need to be six feet apart, is kind of shitty. I think it’s kind of shitty to reduce it to optics, wine slushees, and butter when we’re trying to explain why it’s important to some people. And I think it's shitty that my points are also being dismissed because "not all districts" and #regional. So we can share that sentiment.
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Post by cnf on Feb 22, 2021 19:58:25 GMT -6
The Butter Sculpture is weird 🧈 I keep almost googling a picture and then stopping myself. I need to find a distraction. Don't they donate the butter at the end? I feel like they do something good with it, yes?
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Post by PandaWatch on Feb 22, 2021 19:58:28 GMT -6
The Butter Sculpture is weird 🧈 I keep almost googling a picture and then stopping myself. I need to find a distraction. Come into the eating thread and plan your snacks for the evening.
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Post by Cher on Feb 22, 2021 19:58:45 GMT -6
I will say, I’m thankful we are in a state that have had schools open since September. It’s wild to think in other parts of the country, some people haven’t even had the option of sending their kids back, even part-time. There are some students in this state who have not had an option to send their kids back. We are fortunate that MOST districts have offered some sort of in person. But not all have Wow. None by me have been closed. I honestly can’t imagine. I’m not cut out for having them at home.
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Post by cribs on Feb 22, 2021 20:00:47 GMT -6
Don't they donate the butter at the end? I feel like they do something good with it, yes? But a butter sculpture! Why? For why? It's also making me oddly hungry, and I don't like what that says about me 😂 Ohio does one too. How not shocked are you? PizzaslutEta I tag Pizzaslut because she's my favorite Ohioan
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