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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 1, 2020 22:17:01 GMT -6
Also liked the monologue discussion of the third amendment.
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Post by oreobitsy on Mar 1, 2020 22:29:15 GMT -6
Ok, I'm done. Those were my favorites along with this song:
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Post by jaygee on Mar 1, 2020 22:48:44 GMT -6
Obligatory fuck Rubio.
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Post by Minerva on Mar 1, 2020 23:25:41 GMT -6
Oh man, I just watched SNL today. John Mulaney was the host with David Byrne as musical guest. I highly recommend a watch for all of you who just need a break. Plan on me spamming the thread later tonight once the kids are down. It was hilarious. OMG to the airport sushi skit. And the cold open had me in stitches. π
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Post by Minerva on Mar 1, 2020 23:31:27 GMT -6
Rachel Dratch as Klobes to Colin Jostβs Pete: βIβm from Minnesota so I will cut you...in line at Target, son.β
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 2, 2020 3:12:57 GMT -6
blurnette989 , I did not mean to say everyone with dual citizenship is not deeply attached to however many countries they hold citizenship in, especially those who hold birthright citizenship in more than one. But for me, emotionally, the concept of fairly serving two masters (yeah, so biblical) holds enormous emotional sway. I was trying to be clear that emotional response is often as strong as a logical thought process. But, I did not know it would cost $10,000 to renounce citizenship in Portugal or in the US. I can see any country would want a citizen to think long and hard about what is a very final, possibly life changing, decision, but I didn't realize the financial bar is also high. I remember reading about John Forbes Nash and his several attempts to renounce his citizenship, and understood the US makes the process somewhat difficult on purpose; in his case, of course, I think most would agree his attempts were not reasoned at that moment. But, the discussion began with those obtaining birthright citizenship through birth tourism, which adds another shade, I thought, to the conversation. Is it fair to ask what the intent is there? To be clear, it is around $2,700 a person, the over $10K figure was for my family. Still for many that cost is prohibitive. It is certainly not something the US encourages anyone to do. Taxation/FATCA/FBAR unfortunately is the major reason that Americans do give up citizenship because it unreasonably burdensome and many countries will refuse Americans many banking privileges such as mortgages and investment accounts because the US reporting requirements are over the top for average income Americans. For example, I am required to report to the US every year if I have any foreign bank accounts or investments that go above $10,000 on ANY single day in the year. The thresholds are just so inane. Regarding birth tourism, I just don't think it is a big enough issue to be concerned with. First, it isn't illegal. Trump is trying to discourage it, because his administration claims it fuels terrorism, though there is little to suggest truth in that. Most people are trying to give their child/family the best life they can attain, which is certainly not something we generally look down upon. Some people also used to use birth tourism to get around China's 2 child rule, other's so that their children have a better chance of going to an American university. The reasons are varied, but they primarily focus on bettering lives. Now I do think it is wholly fair to go after companies that encourage women to lie on visa applications and charge massive amounts of money to encourage the practice, as these companies verge on the borderline of trafficking. I'm sure some companies do everything on the up and up but because it is something people look down on, there are abound to be companies that do not do things legally and scam the families they are purporting to help.
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Post by blurnette989 on Mar 2, 2020 3:26:39 GMT -6
greykitty I also think you should go back and re-read your posts and maybe mull on your words, because you keep saying things like you don't like it on a "gut level" and you "look askance" at people doing it even though you logically see the reasons people do it. I think taking a deep look at your implicit biases here would be helpful. Harvard has some really great Implicit Association tests that I encourage everyone to try. implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/aboutus.htmlAnd you wording of things like "Some days I feel like pick a country and stick with it. Citizenship should not be a flag of convenience." That is what gets my emotional response up. You basically seem to think that people are only choosing to hold multiple citizenships to game the system somehow. And sure, there are people that do (this happens in everything everyday)- but the VAST MAJORITY are just trying to live their lives. I have friends who are professional dancers. She is South Korean and can only have one citizenship. Her husband is Sri Lankan and British. They live here in Portugal and their son was born here. They live here because despite dancing professionally for a British company she could not get long term residency on her salary without giving up her SK citizenship, which she didn't want to do. Portugal allowed her residency, and now their son is Portuguese and British by citizenship. These are middle class people just trying to have a decent life. Countries dictating her citizenship status ultimately dictated where she could live.
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