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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 18:46:21 GMT -6
dc2london is this a bad time to tell you I have to telework on the day you're doing the thing at the law school? 😬 Not at all bc I'll probably be rushing home to catch up on the impeachment hearings. We'll get drinks over the weekend.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 7, 2019 18:53:27 GMT -6
Me: *finally gets the child to bed*
*reads thread*
*Homer in the bushes gif*
(Ok but seriously that was good to read. This is why I love it here.)
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 18:55:05 GMT -6
I would like to thank this thread for firmly cementing my plan to get a public policy masters You 100% need to do this. I have a pipe dream of getting a paying legislative position at Everytown
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 18:55:08 GMT -6
From her own mouth. I like the joyful part. I have fond memories of the one year I did have after care as a child. Also, I think my child has fun in his program and want that for other children too.
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Post by richard on Nov 7, 2019 18:55:45 GMT -6
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 7, 2019 18:56:23 GMT -6
You 100% need to do this. I have a pipe dream of getting a paying legislative position at Everytown Girl, this is not a pipe dream. It's just a goal.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 7, 2019 19:00:29 GMT -6
From her own mouth. I like the joyful part. I have fond memories of the one year I did have after care as a child. Also, I think my child has fun in his program and want that for other children too. I just showed this tweet/video to K and she said "give it a like." So I did. She also told me to vote for her.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 19:06:49 GMT -6
You really love to see it.
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Post by lemondrop on Nov 7, 2019 19:19:34 GMT -6
This was extremely informative. I don’t have kids in the school system yet and my school system in MA was small (either you went to your neighborhood school or private. The end. There were no magnets/ Montessori’s/ etc). I haven’t considered much of school day/ year length, beyond knowing we have different tracts around here where some kids have traditional school years with a longer summer vacation and some kids go year round. I briefly read the bill but will deep dive tomorrow when my brain is functioning on more than 2 cells. But either way, it sounds like this would benefit my family because of our longer work days/ my H’s non-traditional work schedule.
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Post by byjove on Nov 7, 2019 19:51:12 GMT -6
I have a pipe dream of getting a paying legislative position at Everytown Girl, this is not a pipe dream. It's just a goal. I’d say realistic at that 💪💪
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Post by blurnette989 on Nov 7, 2019 19:51:21 GMT -6
doing my third read through now. To whomever said they don't like that parents can't pay for it, it's not about not letting parents pay, it's about making sure localities and districts don't *require* parents to pay, which would undermine the entire program And I get that - but I still wonder if allowing even a very minimal copay would allow a sense of ownership within the program. Maybe not, and I'm not appalled by it, but I do tend to feel most people value what they pay for, in cash or in kind, even at a very nominal level, than what they're given. This is such an American mentality. Just because you value things more when you pay for it does NOT mean all people do. Also let's be real taxes pay for this program, so yes the working parents benefitting from the program are already paying for it. What I would be willing to see is something similar to what Portugal does. (your favorite answer I know) We have a tiered system based on income. The VAST majority of people pay nothing for prolongamento- (covers BEFORE school, after school and long holiday breaks including summer). At the highest income bracket I pay a small fee, because it is properly assumed I could afford to pay for another option but we choose to utilize the schools existing and efficient system. If Portugal can do it, every state in the US can and a program like this is the boost that can start moving in that direction. Also I don't know why you keep harping on you hope they select a range of schools across the country. Nothing suggests they won't. The school just has to apply. This means it is left up to the school system to make that decision intially, not Kamala Harris. This emphasis reads like you are afraid white people will be left out of the benefit of this program.
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Post by byjove on Nov 7, 2019 19:53:02 GMT -6
This link crashes Tapatalk every time I try it. Even the app knows what’s up
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Post by byjove on Nov 7, 2019 19:57:17 GMT -6
From her own mouth. I like the joyful part. I have fond memories of the one year I did have after care as a child. Also, I think my child has fun in his program and want that for other children too. I just showed this tweet/video to K and she said "give it a like." So I did. She also told me to vote for her. Smart girl
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Post by cnf on Nov 7, 2019 20:07:49 GMT -6
I'm a bit late, but I taught in a district years ago that had a grant funded after school enrichment that went until 5:45 and was free, any family with kids in the district could sign their kids up. It was a really great program. They offered either homework help or reading for the first like 30 or 40 minutes, then after kids picked from a bunch of activities to participate in. There were late buses to take kids home. Teachers in the school were always offered to pick up even just one day a week (had to commit for ten weeks at a time) and were paid our PD hourly rate. If teachers didn't want to do, the program would bring in their own people. It's was an awesome program and I remember when the grant funding was about to run out (five year grants) it's was bananas because parents needed it and used it for after school care and our kids really loved it.
I'm a teacher and I've work in a couple districts now that had after school programs that offered teachers compensation for their time. I can recognize my own privilege because I've never had the desire or financial need to to extend my workday, but a lot of teachers do it for either the extra cash or the extra time with students.
Parents needed and used these programs. Kids honestly enjoyed being at them. And I've never been voluntold to do it.
Just my two cents though.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 20:10:34 GMT -6
I think a lot of people have no idea what it’s really like to raise children with no money or be a child in a family with no money. It’s not just a struggle, it’s a completely different way of life. And I’m just talking in general about people not knowing - not people on this board or anything. Just almost everything I’m reading that criticizes this plan sounds like it’s from another planet to me. Like people know that some adults don’t have jobs because they can’t afford childcare, right?? To the bolded, some really and truly don't. I made the mistake of saying something about how in the last six months or so I've become kind of dissatisfied with staying at home and certain family members told me I should get a job. I would love to, but with my degree, no job in my field would pay enough to cover childcare costs and I'm not going to work for a net loss. Now that said, this is not entirely the same situation you are referring to because we are privileged in that I don't have to work. It just pissed me off because it's not as simple as just getting a job. so, so true. And also, the affordability of child care shouldn't be a determination of whether a parent works outside of the home or not. Maybe both parents WANT to work. Maybe putting their careers on hold for a few years could undermine their long term professional goals. I am so, so privileged to be able to stay home bc I WANT to stay at home but that's not what every parent wants. and too many parents are forced to work who would like to stay at home. It's unfortunate that the decision whether to work outside the home or not while your children are very young is forced upon families for any reason other than what works best for that famiiy. *This is not an Andrew Yang endorsement.
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Post by Rebel on Nov 7, 2019 20:16:44 GMT -6
Rebel that's an amazing story and it gave me goosebumps. Ad it's great that you were able to show data about what a difference it makes. But I'm also kind of head tilty to anyone who thinks, "Some kids don't eat a single thing between lunch on Friday and lunch on Monday" isn't reason enough to want to fix it No I completely agree. Food is a basic need and the lack of it should be reason enough to provide it. And the fact that its not enough proves there is something fundamentally wrong with a portion of the population. In rural TX, where almost everyone is an R and all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, the data was helpful for us to get them to give us money.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 20:27:23 GMT -6
Girl, this is not a pipe dream. It's just a goal. I’d say realistic at that 💪💪 Feeling very warm and fuzzy RN <3
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 21:22:35 GMT -6
Let's all just pause for a second on Americans losing their minds over the idea of expanding the (already overly cramped, according to teachers) school day when that's not even what the bill does, while Portugal has a program with "prolongue" in its actual name.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 21:24:44 GMT -6
Rebel that's an amazing story and it gave me goosebumps. Ad it's great that you were able to show data about what a difference it makes. But I'm also kind of head tilty to anyone who thinks, "Some kids don't eat a single thing between lunch on Friday and lunch on Monday" isn't reason enough to want to fix it No I completely agree. Food is a basic need and the lack of it should be reason enough to provide it. And the fact that its not enough proves there is something fundamentally wrong with a portion of the population. In rural TX, where almost everyone is an R and all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, the data was helpful for us to get them to give us money. I admire the hell out of what you did there. Truly.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 21:39:13 GMT -6
That ad is really something.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 21:49:44 GMT -6
This is fantastic. Both the original speech and Inslee’s dad joke.
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Post by oreobitsy on Nov 7, 2019 22:08:00 GMT -6
so, so true. And also, the affordability of child care shouldn't be a determination of whether a parent works outside of the home or not. Maybe both parents WANT to work. Maybe putting their careers on hold for a few years could undermine their long term professional goals. I am so, so privileged to be able to stay home bc I WANT to stay at home but that's not what every parent wants. and too many parents are forced to work who would like to stay at home. It's unfortunate that the decision whether to work outside the home or not while your children are very young is forced upon families for any reason other than what works best for that famiiy. *This is not an Andrew Yang endorsement. I wanted to stay home, too. It's just been the last six months or so that I've wanted...more. Up until then, I've loved it. I still love it for the most part. I'm probably not making a whole lot of sense. Anyway. To the rest of it, yes! I have friends who want to work and can't. I have friends who want to stay home and can't. It sucks all around. You make sense. I can't articulate my similar feelings very well but it can be conflicted at times.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 22:16:44 GMT -6
I wanted to stay home, too. It's just been the last six months or so that I've wanted...more. Up until then, I've loved it. I still love it for the most part. I'm probably not making a whole lot of sense. Anyway. To the rest of it, yes! I have friends who want to work and can't. I have friends who want to stay home and can't. It sucks all around. You make sense. I can't articulate my similar feelings very well but it can be conflicted at times. I think it’s more the exception than the norm that a person knows exactly what they want for work/life balance, can make it work (pun not intended) , and never has “is the grass over there greener” moments. Especially with young kids - it can change on a dime. In 6 years: I didn’t want to work but had to, worked part time and loved it for a bit and then ended up hating it. Then I worked full time with travel and was sometimes happy and sometime miserable. Then I took a step down on the career ladder to find more balance and loved it but still felt overwhelmed. Then MH started working part time and my kid started school which freed up such a load on me at home and now I’m working 50-60 hours a week and loving it. But I also have dreams of retiring early. So, yeah, it’s all complicated.
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Post by bunnyfungo on Nov 7, 2019 22:26:15 GMT -6
Hello. Checking in for Team Complicated. I was a SAHM with DD1. Hated it. Went back to work, had DD2, struggled with the “second shift” and pumping and packing bottles and bags for daycare and went back to being a SAHM. And have been there ever since. While constantly dreaming of going back to work. I LOVE being a mom. And I know that having 4 babies was a choice and that the financial ramifications of that fall completely on me and my family planning. But I do miss working a lot. So, I try to find fulfillment in other ways until I can eventually go back to school/work myself.
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Post by ktg on Nov 7, 2019 22:31:36 GMT -6
Let's all just pause for a second on Americans losing their minds over the idea of expanding the (already overly cramped, according to teachers) school day when that's not even what the bill does, while Portugal has a program with "prolongue" in its actual name. I've been reading along and casually wondering how, say, additional time to play or relax, and some more time to eat lunch would help "make up" the time gap. No additional teaching time, just basically breaks throughout the day. This is all in addition to actually paying teachers a decent wage and for all their time worked, naturally, here in my ideal world.
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Post by sherminator on Nov 7, 2019 22:52:03 GMT -6
I have worked in the state prison system for 21 years. I am also a single mom with a single child (9) the ENTIRE reason I cant retire is health care. I pay 100$ a night for reliable overnight care. I would love to leave but the economics don't work. I totally understand parents who cant afford to work, I know lots of families that make that choice, but for me- healthcare is the big barrier to doing what I want.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 7, 2019 23:04:26 GMT -6
Hi I’ve been in Denver all day and now I’m in the back of a Lyft certain to meet my doom Not by the driver but holy cow are these roads bad I’m gonna go back and read all the back and forth on Kamala bill when I won’t be seasick. I’ve missed you all today please be safe I need you I made it home. But I was really worried for a bit. The dudes check engine light was on, every time we hit anything resembling a pothole I thought a tire was gonna blow. The driver was super nice and the car was really clean it just was an interesting maiden Lyft voyage for me
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Post by Minerva on Nov 7, 2019 23:10:16 GMT -6
so, so true. And also, the affordability of child care shouldn't be a determination of whether a parent works outside of the home or not. Maybe both parents WANT to work. Maybe putting their careers on hold for a few years could undermine their long term professional goals. I am so, so privileged to be able to stay home bc I WANT to stay at home but that's not what every parent wants. and too many parents are forced to work who would like to stay at home. It's unfortunate that the decision whether to work outside the home or not while your children are very young is forced upon families for any reason other than what works best for that famiiy. *This is not an Andrew Yang endorsement. I wanted to stay home, too. It's just been the last six months or so that I've wanted...more. Up until then, I've loved it. I still love it for the most part. I'm probably not making a whole lot of sense. Anyway. To the rest of it, yes! I have friends who want to work and can't. I have friends who want to stay home and can't. It sucks all around. I hear you. I’m in a similar place. I want to go back to work, but the financials and logistics are very tricky. For now, I very much appreciate staying at home, hanging with the kids, and enjoying the slower pace of our family life, but I know it is not going to be enough for me long term.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 7, 2019 23:12:52 GMT -6
Also this reminded me its time again for my backpack buddy donation
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 7, 2019 23:17:31 GMT -6
I don’t get the reasoning behind not giving just a little to make sure our children, the future generations are fed, looked after in a safe and secure environment. Why the immediate response is to throw up every single it could never work excuse.
I’m gonna go west wing here. ‘Why not make it just a bit easier? Not a handout but just a bit easier.’
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