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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 14:35:19 GMT -6
Minerva,my suspicion is that the RNC will pay it
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 14:46:09 GMT -6
Also, re: Kamala's plan:
One of the schools I taught in served a very low SES population. Virtually 100% rent vs own, 100% ESL, 100% free meals, etc. The school acted as a food pantry and on Fridays families could bring a bag or box and fill it up with food to get them through the weekend. The neighborhood was also impacted by gang activity. Kids would tell me stories of hearing gunfire while they tried to sleep.
The county made a plan to offer universal pre k starting at age 3 and expanded free and low cost after school enrichment programs--everything from homework help, to basketball, to cooking classes. The thinking was that getting kids to school every day at age 3 would give them a head start on early literacy skills, help them learn english (many lived in completely non-english speaking homes), ensure that no child was left home unsupervised bc a parent couldn't find or afford child care, ensured that every kid between the ages of 3 and 17 got two meals a day, and provided opportunities for mentorship for all kids. Side effect benefits would be that, hopefully, standardized test scores would improve over time, public health would improve, crime would decrease, and it would help parents in the community breathe a little more easily not having to figure out how to pay for childcare for those extra two years.
Not one person said, "How dare you make my kid start school at age 3." What people said was, 'Wow, this is amazing! Free pre k for my 3 year old? I LOVE IT."
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 14:58:33 GMT -6
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On Jan 25, 2018 Credico texted Stone. "You lied to the House Intel Committee. But youll get off because you're friends with Trump so don’t worry. I have all the forencsic evidence. Why didn’t you tell them the truth instead of pretending you had a backchannel?"
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Post by lemondrop on Nov 7, 2019 15:13:48 GMT -6
My eyes have been assailed by this and now you all must suffer with me I thought we were friends, DC. I'm going to go bleach my eyeballs now. So much filth in some picture.
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Post by lemondrop on Nov 7, 2019 15:19:59 GMT -6
I totally thought Jenny Mcarthy died. Huh. I did not realize that was Jenny McCarthy. She's changed her face. ETA: Not shaming or judging plastic surgery at all. You do you. I just really didn't recognize her. It's ironic. Like, fuck those life saving vaccines, they cause autism! But Imma inject a bunch of botulism into my face! (I know it's not the same thing. But seriously fuck JM.)
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Post by lemondrop on Nov 7, 2019 15:25:57 GMT -6
Small steps, my friends. Small steps. FB still sucks ass.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 15:29:07 GMT -6
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Post by greykitty on Nov 7, 2019 15:30:23 GMT -6
Re Kamala - I see the Mother Jones reporter deleted her tweet that started the whole questioning. I do think it's only fair to put responsibility on the people rolling out a proposal to think about what the most obvious questions will be, and be able to address those. Simply saying oh, hey, read the whole law doesn't seem useful to me. For example, teachers would be paid for those 'voluntary' shifts at their contracted rate, it leads to thinking teachers will be doing instructional work, etc. Next question is what happens if teachers don't volunteer? And, to be fair, that's a heck of a long day for administrators, and I'm assuming they will want salary increases as well.
It seems today they're backing away from the instructional day being lengthened, and saying the additional block would basically be structured child care, or so I'm reading reports.
I continue to have deep concerns about basing this care on the availability of teachers. And I have deep concerns that the 'test schools' really need to include schools in every areas of our country - major metro, small town, rural, and suburban. Challenging access to quality childcare is everywhere.
I think a lot of the questions raised here, and otherwhere, are pretty normal, obvious questions - and I haven't even seen a lot addressed about funding, both for the test, or afterwards in a national rollout. I do think about how school referendums including tax increases struggle to pass in almost all districts, though.
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Post by blurnette989 on Nov 7, 2019 15:42:05 GMT -6
It's only 17 pages. It's not a novel. Read the bill.
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Post by cakewench on Nov 7, 2019 15:43:17 GMT -6
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Post by blurnette989 on Nov 7, 2019 15:43:52 GMT -6
Also pertinent section- and I do understand how a teacher could read this and infer voluntolding- but also I have Elementary level teacher friends who would appreciate the additional income that could be achieved working summer hours.
n elementary school at which Fam- 16 ily Friendly School policies are established shall 17 not increase the amount of time teachers, para- 18 professionals, and other school staff have to 19 work unless they volunteer to work additional 20 hours, which additional hours shall be com- 21 pensated at no less than the rate the teachers, 22 paraprofessionals, and other school staff earn 23 for regular school hours.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 7, 2019 15:56:51 GMT -6
Also, re: Kamala's plan: One of the schools I taught in served a very low SES population. Virtually 100% rent vs own, 100% ESL, 100% free meals, etc. The school acted as a food pantry and on Fridays families could bring a bag or box and fill it up with food to get them through the weekend. The neighborhood was also impacted by gang activity. Kids would tell me stories of hearing gunfire while they tried to sleep. The county made a plan to offer universal pre k starting at age 3 and expanded free and low cost after school enrichment programs--everything from homework help, to basketball, to cooking classes. The thinking was that getting kids to school every day at age 3 would give them a head start on early literacy skills, help them learn english (many lived in completely non-english speaking homes), ensure that no child was left home unsupervised bc a parent couldn't find or afford child care, ensured that every kid between the ages of 3 and 17 got two meals a day, and provided opportunities for mentorship for all kids. Side effect benefits would be that, hopefully, standardized test scores would improve over time, public health would improve, crime would decrease, and it would help parents in the community breathe a little more easily not having to figure out how to pay for childcare for those extra two years. Not one person said, "How dare you make my kid start school at age 3." What people said was, 'Wow, this is amazing! Free pre k for my 3 year old? I LOVE IT." I think a lot of people have no idea what it’s really like to raise children with no money or be a child in a family with no money. It’s not just a struggle, it’s a completely different way of life. And I’m just talking in general about people not knowing - not people on this board or anything. Just almost everything I’m reading that criticizes this plan sounds like it’s from another planet to me. Like people know that some adults don’t have jobs because they can’t afford childcare, right??
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:01:06 GMT -6
Re Kamala - I see the Mother Jones reporter deleted her tweet that started the whole questioning. I do think it's only fair to put responsibility on the people rolling out a proposal to think about what the most obvious questions will be, and be able to address those. Simply saying oh, hey, read the whole law doesn't seem useful to me. For example, teachers would be paid for those 'voluntary' shifts at their contracted rate, it leads to thinking teachers will be doing instructional work, etc. Next question is what happens if teachers don't volunteer? And, to be fair, that's a heck of a long day for administrators, and I'm assuming they will want salary increases as well. It seems today they're backing away from the instructional day being lengthened, and saying the additional block would basically be structured child care, or so I'm reading reports. I continue to have deep concerns about basing this care on the availability of teachers. And I have deep concerns that the 'test schools' really need to include schools in every areas of our country - major metro, small town, rural, and suburban. Challenging access to quality childcare is everywhere. I think a lot of the questions raised here, and otherwhere, are pretty normal, obvious questions - and I haven't even seen a lot addressed about funding, both for the test, or afterwards in a national rollout. I do think about how school referendums including tax increases struggle to pass in almost all districts, though. ......I don't understand your assertion that Kamala rolled out a policy proposal without being ready to answer questions about it. She links supporting documents and statements of support from stakeholders right in the same press release that the MJ reporter got. They never said they were lengthening the instructional day, that was misinformation spread around by people who had kneejerk reactions (many of whom didn't read the whopping four paragraph release). It was always designed to be enrichment. The only reason it referenced the school schedule at all is bc the programs would take place at the school building. I recognize that I'm coming to this discussion as a Kamala stan but for the love of all things holy, this is a bit much. It's fine if you don't like Kamala but don't pretend she's some ill prepared novice who doesn't understand how to craft legislation.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:07:26 GMT -6
Also pertinent section- and I do understand how a teacher could read this and infer voluntolding- but also I have Elementary level teacher friends who would appreciate the additional income that could be achieved working summer hours. n elementary school at which Fam- 16 ily Friendly School policies are established shall 17 not increase the amount of time teachers, para- 18 professionals, and other school staff have to 19 work unless they volunteer to work additional 20 hours, which additional hours shall be com- 21 pensated at no less than the rate the teachers, 22 paraprofessionals, and other school staff earn 23 for regular school hours. My county had some schools that were "year round," (the program was eliminated during a period of austerity amidst the financial collapse), meaning that the kids went 9 weeks, had 4 off, repeat (roughly). During the off weeks these schools were still open and the day was devoted to enrichment activities, similar to things you might find at summer camps. Teacher got first dibs on the jobs at the enrichment programs and many of them jumped at the chance. Teachers, after all, always need additional income. It was a really neat program and I hope it comes back now that the school system's budget has rebounded. And I know that other counties and localities have implemented similar school schedules, with success. So to the people acting like this is some off the wall, out of left field, insane prospect I just have to ask if they have ever interacted with a public school system.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:14:45 GMT -6
Also, re: Kamala's plan: One of the schools I taught in served a very low SES population. Virtually 100% rent vs own, 100% ESL, 100% free meals, etc. The school acted as a food pantry and on Fridays families could bring a bag or box and fill it up with food to get them through the weekend. The neighborhood was also impacted by gang activity. Kids would tell me stories of hearing gunfire while they tried to sleep. The county made a plan to offer universal pre k starting at age 3 and expanded free and low cost after school enrichment programs--everything from homework help, to basketball, to cooking classes. The thinking was that getting kids to school every day at age 3 would give them a head start on early literacy skills, help them learn english (many lived in completely non-english speaking homes), ensure that no child was left home unsupervised bc a parent couldn't find or afford child care, ensured that every kid between the ages of 3 and 17 got two meals a day, and provided opportunities for mentorship for all kids. Side effect benefits would be that, hopefully, standardized test scores would improve over time, public health would improve, crime would decrease, and it would help parents in the community breathe a little more easily not having to figure out how to pay for childcare for those extra two years. Not one person said, "How dare you make my kid start school at age 3." What people said was, 'Wow, this is amazing! Free pre k for my 3 year old? I LOVE IT." I think a lot of people have no idea what it’s really like to raise children with no money or be a child in a family with no money. It’s not just a struggle, it’s a completely different way of life. And I’m just talking in general about people not knowing - not people on this board or anything. Just almost everything I’m reading that criticizes this plan sounds like it’s from another planet to me. Like people know that some adults don’t have jobs because they can’t afford childcare, right?? but bootstraps Jules
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Post by greykitty on Nov 7, 2019 16:15:21 GMT -6
Yep, I was raised by a widow with no job. Not fun or easy for her, my younger brother, or me.
I've skimmed the bill and see that, as they mentioned yesterday, it's kept deliberately vague. I'm glad they mentioned applying schools would have to work with other schools in their district to accommodate families with kids in various schools. Glad they capped the 'strategizing paying' to mayors or other officials at 2% of the fund, but, yeah, from Illinois - I'm always wary of how those payments will actually be used.
Glad to see they acknowledged that transportation issues might have to be addressed. And, while I'm not positive it's a good idea to absolutely forbid parent co-pays as part of the nonfederal matching fund (I'm a big believer that people value what they pay for, even at the most nominal amount, than something they're given - UO, no doubt), I wonder if finding those nonfederal matching partners for the 10% will be challenging for some schools if they think about applying. Then again, since I'm pretty sure taxes will have to increase to fund this plan, if passed, those parents (and everyone else) will be paying for it.
Still want to know how they'd address staffing if they don't get teachers (or administrators) on board with a lengthened day. I would hope schools that want to apply for this grant don't pressure teachers into volunteering, or else.
And, I would really hope, again, that they get schools from all areas of the country. If nothing else, I'd think it'd be an easier sell to taxpayers if they see it benefits all students across the board. And, again, thinking that having quality care for kids at a somewhat reasonable cost is a universal concern in the US.
I dunno - now I think my thoughts about maybe it'd be better to strengthen existing pre and after school care entities, rather than to ask more of the school system itself, is not really off base.
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Post by Rebel on Nov 7, 2019 16:16:30 GMT -6
Also, re: Kamala's plan: One of the schools I taught in served a very low SES population. Virtually 100% rent vs own, 100% ESL, 100% free meals, etc. The school acted as a food pantry and on Fridays families could bring a bag or box and fill it up with food to get them through the weekend. The neighborhood was also impacted by gang activity. Kids would tell me stories of hearing gunfire while they tried to sleep. The county made a plan to offer universal pre k starting at age 3 and expanded free and low cost after school enrichment programs--everything from homework help, to basketball, to cooking classes. The thinking was that getting kids to school every day at age 3 would give them a head start on early literacy skills, help them learn english (many lived in completely non-english speaking homes), ensure that no child was left home unsupervised bc a parent couldn't find or afford child care, ensured that every kid between the ages of 3 and 17 got two meals a day, and provided opportunities for mentorship for all kids. Side effect benefits would be that, hopefully, standardized test scores would improve over time, public health would improve, crime would decrease, and it would help parents in the community breathe a little more easily not having to figure out how to pay for childcare for those extra two years. Not one person said, "How dare you make my kid start school at age 3." What people said was, 'Wow, this is amazing! Free pre k for my 3 year old? I LOVE IT." THIS is what we need. Policies to fund programs like these that attempt to level the playing field. We used to live in a rural part of Texas. We had moved there for my husbands job, I didn’t know anyone and his CEO suggested I join junior league to meet people. So I did. lol They had ONE committee I wanted to be a part of. A newly developed program to provide bags of food to kids who otherwise wouldn’t eat on the weekends. It grew quickly- we started with just a few schools and we had principals coming to us to beg us to expand to their school. Hunger was rampant. In the fucking US. Wtf. Anyways, the school district helped us track these kids (anonymously- they assigned them numbers, we didn’t know names), because they knew if we could provide hard data about improved grades, attendance, behavior, etc that funding would increase. The results were incredible. Attendance increased over 300%. Grades increased by 70%. Behavior issues declined (somewhat hard to track, it was a lot of anecdotes from teachers). These kids were healthier. Happier. Able to focus. Things that higher SES students (and their parents) take for granted. Would a federally funded program like that benefit my kids? Hell yes. Not because we need or would accept the food. But because healthier, happier, attentive classmates benefits them. Because healthier, happier kids benefit society.
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Post by 4PrivetDrive on Nov 7, 2019 16:21:36 GMT -6
Think he'll pay? I love the thought of him stomping out of NYS like a three year old throwing a tantrum over this. I honestly think he doesn’t have $2 mil to his name at this moment. So, no. Maybe Ivanka can write him a check.
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Post by greykitty on Nov 7, 2019 16:25:50 GMT -6
Well, maybe the bill should have been released simultaneously with the reporters publishing their stories. And, if even the Mother Jones reporter 'got it wrong', is it a lot to say that others would get it wrong?
I know Harris has sponsored what, somewhat over 50 bills? But like her healthcare policy statements, to me this less than solid in presentation to the public during a presidential campaign.
She's not the only politician that I view this way at all - but I'm stunned when people think asking questions is a bad thing.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 7, 2019 16:27:34 GMT -6
I dunno - now I think my thoughts about maybe it'd be better to strengthen existing pre and after school care entities, rather than to ask more of the school system itself, is not really off base. I think the POINT of this bill is to strengthen existing after school programs, expand them to other districts and make them available to a wider group of parents who might otherwise not be able to afford them. Like the program byjove and I have access to in our school district.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Nov 7, 2019 16:39:44 GMT -6
HOLD UP. greykitty nobody said asking questions is bad. But your posts make it seem like you're being intentionally obtuse. And, FTR, I don't think your obtuse. But this is how legislating works. You sponsor an idea after communicating with stakeholders. Then it goes to committee. It gets banged around there. The federal agency stakeholders review the bill and make suggestions about why x isn't feasible and maybe try y. Here's where you're going to need extra money. Committee bangs it around some more. Might go back to the agencies again. There might be hearings with non govt stakeholders. Then they come up with something that can get enough votes. Then implementing agencies propose regulations to make the law work. Regulations go thru public comment. Might get tweaked before they're finalized. THAT is when you know the nitty gritty details.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:40:19 GMT -6
Well, maybe the bill should have been released simultaneously with the reporters publishing their stories. And, if even the Mother Jones reporter 'got it wrong', is it a lot to say that others would get it wrong? I know Harris has sponsored what, somewhat over 50 bills? But like her healthcare policy statements, to me this less than solid in presentation to the public during a presidential campaign. She's not the only politician that I view this way at all - but I'm stunned when people think asking questions is a bad thing. Nobody said you shouldn't ask questions. it was suggested that reading the press release would answer a number of your questions, and that the full text of the bill would probably answer more. You accused Harris of not being prepared to answer questions without reading any of the information she released about the bill or the bill itself, or even giving her a chance to do a single interview about the bill where I'm sure enterprising reporters would ask a number of the immediate questions that most people would have. Plenty of people in this thread asked good and important questions and nobody batted an eye. I don't object to asking questions. It would be ludicrous to whole hog support any legislation without considering the types of things teatime raised. Of COURSE there should be a robust debate about the content of the bill and the possible unintended consequences and how best to minimize potential unintentional harm. And I'm sure Harris will, as does ANYONE who introduces legislation, have some answers about those questions or there's no way she would introduce the bill. If she doesn't, the debate of the bill will reveal that long before it gets close to becoming law.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:45:04 GMT -6
Any bill outside of renaming a post office is going to come with a lot of questions so, luckily, the legislative process provides for multiple opportunities for those questions to be raised and answered.
Hearings in the relevant committees provide lawmakers with opportunities to ask these questions of experts and stakeholders, and allow stakeholders to raise concerns of their own. Both parties have the opportunity to call witnesses to these hearings.
Markups provide further opportunities for the committee of jurisdiction to modify the text of the bill as needed to ensure that the bill is clear, concise, and (as much as possible), will achieve the intended goal without harmful unintended consequences. Any committee member can propose amendments and adjustments during markup.
Even after all of that, IF the bill is reported to the full Senate, there will be debate on the Senate floor about the bill and its contents. During speech and debate, every member of the US Senate can weigh in on what they like about the bill, what concerns them, and can offer amendments. All of this occurs before the bill goes anywhere near being signed into law
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:54:00 GMT -6
Yep, I was raised by a widow with no job. Not fun or easy for her, my younger brother, or me. I've skimmed the bill and see that, as they mentioned yesterday, it's kept deliberately vague. I'm glad they mentioned applying schools would have to work with other schools in their district to accommodate families with kids in various schools. Glad they capped the 'strategizing paying' to mayors or other officials at 2% of the fund, but, yeah, from Illinois - I'm always wary of how those payments will actually be used. Glad to see they acknowledged that transportation issues might have to be addressed. And, while I'm not positive it's a good idea to absolutely forbid parent co-pays as part of the nonfederal matching fund (I'm a big believer that people value what they pay for, even at the most nominal amount, than something they're given - UO, no doubt), I wonder if finding those nonfederal matching partners for the 10% will be challenging for some schools if they think about applying. Then again, since I'm pretty sure taxes will have to increase to fund this plan, if passed, those parents (and everyone else) will be paying for it. Still want to know how they'd address staffing if they don't get teachers (or administrators) on board with a lengthened day. I would hope schools that want to apply for this grant don't pressure teachers into volunteering, or else. And, I would really hope, again, that they get schools from all areas of the country. If nothing else, I'd think it'd be an easier sell to taxpayers if they see it benefits all students across the board. And, again, thinking that having quality care for kids at a somewhat reasonable cost is a universal concern in the US. I dunno - now I think my thoughts about maybe it'd be better to strengthen existing pre and after school care entities, rather than to ask more of the school system itself, is not really off base. re: staffing do you live in some sort of utopia where nobody needs a job? How will they staff this? They'll probably go on Zip Recruiter. (use the promo code CROOKED)
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Post by greykitty on Nov 7, 2019 16:55:09 GMT -6
I dunno - now I think my thoughts about maybe it'd be better to strengthen existing pre and after school care entities, rather than to ask more of the school system itself, is not really off base. I think the POINT of this bill is to strengthen existing after school programs, expand them to other districts and make them available to a wider group of parents who might otherwise not be able to afford them. Like the program byjove and I have access to in our school district. Ok, then I don't see why they reference teachers at all. If we're talking about, oh, having more entities like Boys & Girls having access to the school buildings, why talk about teachers and paying them? And dealing with keeping schools open during planning days etc.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 16:56:33 GMT -6
Rebel that's an amazing story and it gave me goosebumps. Ad it's great that you were able to show data about what a difference it makes. But I'm also kind of head tilty to anyone who thinks, "Some kids don't eat a single thing between lunch on Friday and lunch on Monday" isn't reason enough to want to fix it
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Post by greykitty on Nov 7, 2019 16:59:12 GMT -6
Yep, I was raised by a widow with no job. Not fun or easy for her, my younger brother, or me. I've skimmed the bill and see that, as they mentioned yesterday, it's kept deliberately vague. I'm glad they mentioned applying schools would have to work with other schools in their district to accommodate families with kids in various schools. Glad they capped the 'strategizing paying' to mayors or other officials at 2% of the fund, but, yeah, from Illinois - I'm always wary of how those payments will actually be used. Glad to see they acknowledged that transportation issues might have to be addressed. And, while I'm not positive it's a good idea to absolutely forbid parent co-pays as part of the nonfederal matching fund (I'm a big believer that people value what they pay for, even at the most nominal amount, than something they're given - UO, no doubt), I wonder if finding those nonfederal matching partners for the 10% will be challenging for some schools if they think about applying. Then again, since I'm pretty sure taxes will have to increase to fund this plan, if passed, those parents (and everyone else) will be paying for it. Still want to know how they'd address staffing if they don't get teachers (or administrators) on board with a lengthened day. I would hope schools that want to apply for this grant don't pressure teachers into volunteering, or else. And, I would really hope, again, that they get schools from all areas of the country. If nothing else, I'd think it'd be an easier sell to taxpayers if they see it benefits all students across the board. And, again, thinking that having quality care for kids at a somewhat reasonable cost is a universal concern in the US. I dunno - now I think my thoughts about maybe it'd be better to strengthen existing pre and after school care entities, rather than to ask more of the school system itself, is not really off base. re: staffing do you live in some sort of utopia where nobody needs a job? How will they staff this? They'll probably go on Zip Recruiter. (use the promo code CROOKED) I think I'm missing your joke - qualified, vetted staff to care and educate children on the school schedule are just a dime a dozen, yes? Or maybe all the certified after school care centers will transfer their employees to the school system.
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 7, 2019 17:07:25 GMT -6
re: staffing do you live in some sort of utopia where nobody needs a job? How will they staff this? They'll probably go on Zip Recruiter. (use the promo code CROOKED) I think I'm missing your joke - qualified, vetted staff to care and educate children on the school schedule are just a dime a dozen, yes? Or maybe all the certified after school care centers will transfer their employees to the school system. Actually, my understanding is this is potentially part of the solution. Grants could be used to subsidize existing aftercare programs, and bring them into schools/ arrange transport.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 7, 2019 17:10:16 GMT -6
I think the POINT of this bill is to strengthen existing after school programs, expand them to other districts and make them available to a wider group of parents who might otherwise not be able to afford them. Like the program byjove and I have access to in our school district. Ok, then I don't see why they reference teachers at all. If we're talking about, oh, having more entities like Boys & Girls having access to the school buildings, why talk about teachers and paying them? And dealing with keeping schools open during planning days etc. Keeping the school open during planning days is a fundamental part of the problem the bill addresses. Even if you decrease the length of the work day for parents, you still have kids off school for spring break, staff development, parent-teacher conferences, inservice, etc. Providing bridge childcare for those days is one of the chief goals of this legislation. Naming teachers as possible staff for before or after care enrichment opens the door for teachers who so choose to use this opportunity to increase their take home pay. SO many teachers moonlight as servers, bar tenders, and retail clerks to supplement their income. The problem with that is the unpredictable scheduling (which is an additional problem for teachers who are parents). This provides stable, predictable additional income for faculty and staff. And before you even go there, yes, Kamala knows that teacher pay is too low and also has introduced plans to increase teacher pay.
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