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Post by auburn on Mar 13, 2019 5:26:25 GMT -6
It’s far and away one of the best high schools in the state, which makes sense given the university’s proximity and the education professors want for their children. ETA: there are all sorts of incentives to do well on the ACT. A 30 on the English portion allows you to skip ENG 101 at most state universities. I can’t remember if it’s a 32 or 33 that allows you skip all freshmen English. So, in addition to earning a scholarship, you also have to take fewer classes and can graduate sooner, which, I did not want to do because I could already tell being an adult was going to suck. Unless it counts as credits, that just means they have to take a different English class. Like how my math entrance test put me in MATH 104. That didn't mean I got credit for 101 and 102, or that I could skip math completely because mine required 102. I still had to take a class for the credits toward graduation. I wouldn't have had the right amount of credits otherwise. That was absolutely not a thing at my state u 20 years ago. Maybe it's newer. Maybe mine is a bunch of jerks (highly possible). I believe that it counts as credits, but I can ask them today to be sure. I know we had one kid that entered college as technically a sophomore because of all of his AP credits and his ACT score. (35). It’s such a THING at my school and I hate it because it makes the kids who earn good scores that aren’t in the 30s feel dumb. I constantly remind them that the national average is a 20. It’s such a competition.
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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 13, 2019 5:55:44 GMT -6
It’s far and away one of the best high schools in the state, which makes sense given the university’s proximity and the education professors want for their children. ETA: there are all sorts of incentives to do well on the ACT. A 30 on the English portion allows you to skip ENG 101 at most state universities. I can’t remember if it’s a 32 or 33 that allows you skip all freshmen English. So, in addition to earning a scholarship, you also have to take fewer classes and can graduate sooner, which, I did not want to do because I could already tell being an adult was going to suck. Unless it counts as credits, that just means they have to take a different English class. Like how my math entrance test put me in MATH 104. That didn't mean I got credit for 101 and 102, or that I could skip math completely because mine required 102. I still had to take a class for the credits toward graduation. I wouldn't have had the right amount of credits otherwise. That was absolutely not a thing at my state u 20 years ago. Maybe it's newer. Maybe mine is a bunch of jerks (highly possible). For ours, certain AP or (more rarely, unfortunately for me) IB scores allowed for students to skip certain courses, like the intro math or Spanish or whatever. You did still have to get enough credits for graduation, but it still counted toward fulfilling the requirement in your specific major pathway, if that makes sense? Like if you didn’t take math 101, you didn’t have to add an additional course in addition to the ones on the pathway just because you skipped it. Also, doing those tests gave us credits, that did not count toward my major. Yay for 30 useless credits from the IB diploma that ended up meaning absolutely nothing at college! My AP calc did get me past a couple classes. Our SAT scores and ACt scores didn’t do anything, as far as I know. Or maybe mine were too low for me to know. 🤣
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Post by ouijabored on Mar 13, 2019 5:55:46 GMT -6
I liked this NYT op-ed on the subject by Frank Bruni: Bribes to Get Into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New? While I understand it is legal for a private institution to accept a large donation as a bribe to accept a student, I wonder if this scandal will make schools think twice about Jared Kushner situations. *** The wrinkle here is that the schemes were actually criminal and will apparently be prosecuted, and for once the colleges’ administrators were in the dark about them. But they’re versions of routine favor-trading and favoritism that have long corrupted the admissions process, leeching merit from the equation. It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment. Both are ways of cutting in line. It may be legal to give $50,000 to a private consultant who massages your child’s transcript and perfumes your child’s essays, and illegal to pay someone for a patently fictive test score, but aren’t both exercises in deception reserved for those who can afford them? And while ghostwriting, whether by consultants or parents, may not be detectable or at least provable, it happens all the time and contributes to applications as bogus as the ones that came to federal prosecutors’ attention. What a message it sends to the children: You’re not good enough to do this on your own. You needn’t be. Your parents and your counselors know the rules, and when and how to break them. Just sit back and let entitlement run its course. . . . When struggling Americans seethe at “the elite,” they mean parents who exploit their station to try to guarantee it for their kids. They mean the self-regarding colleges that allow that to happen. When they say that the system is rigged, they have this kind of wrongdoing — and the widely accepted and entirely legal shenanigans that are none too far from it — in mind. Our country’s best schools are supposed to be engines of social mobility and the gateways to dreams. Sometimes they’re just another sour deal. www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/opinion/college-bribery-admissions.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 13, 2019 6:11:48 GMT -6
Operation Varsity Blues goes back to 2011. I think there are a lot of schools holding their breath and hoping to not get caught up if a larger net is cast. When did Singer start this operation? Do schools need to pull all the recruits who got in with a slot and see if they actually made the roster?
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 13, 2019 6:14:43 GMT -6
Also as a midwest person I was shocked to learn people bribed their way into USD - University of South Dakota in Vermillion.
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Post by ouijabored on Mar 13, 2019 6:28:18 GMT -6
TMZ is reporting that USC plans to investigate the students on a case-by-case basis and expel those who knew. I'm pretty sure Olivia Jade will leave voluntarily but there seems to be a strong case that she knew. She went so far as to pose for fake crew photos.
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Post by lizblue on Mar 13, 2019 6:42:42 GMT -6
Turns out it’s the white rich kids we should be skeptical of at elite universities, not the students of color who got in for “playing the race card.” Who knew! Oh wait, POC everywhere knew.
Let’s also stop vilifying urban families who use suburban addresses to get their kids into adequate public schools while we’re at it.
A $2.5 million “legal” donation is the same thing at its core. Rich people who follow “the law” have just convinced themselves otherwise.
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Post by charlotte on Mar 13, 2019 6:55:27 GMT -6
I was thinking about it this AM. Felicity got a real deal at $15k.
I know for these rich people scholarship $ wasn’t the motivating factor, but damn I could have saved myself 10s of thousands (plus interest) in student loans for only 15k. An ACT score in the low 30s will get you a full-ride at a some decent schools.
I may be in student-loan debt up to my ears but at least I’m not a pos cheater, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 13, 2019 7:08:27 GMT -6
I was thinking about it this AM. Felicity got a real deal at $15k. I know for these rich people scholarship $ wasn’t the motivating factor, but damn I could have saved myself 10s of thousands (plus interest) in student loans for only 15k. An ACT score in the low 30s will get you a full-ride at a some decent schools.I may be in student-loan debt up to my ears but at least I’m not a pos cheater, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Where the fuck are these schools and where the fuck were they 20 years ago?
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Post by notblanche on Mar 13, 2019 7:15:59 GMT -6
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Post by willow on Mar 13, 2019 7:16:01 GMT -6
Unless it counts as credits, that just means they have to take a different English class. Like how my math entrance test put me in MATH 104. That didn't mean I got credit for 101 and 102, or that I could skip math completely because mine required 102. I still had to take a class for the credits toward graduation. I wouldn't have had the right amount of credits otherwise. That was absolutely not a thing at my state u 20 years ago. Maybe it's newer. Maybe mine is a bunch of jerks (highly possible). For ours, certain AP or (more rarely, unfortunately for me) IB scores allowed for students to skip certain courses, like the intro math or Spanish or whatever. You did still have to get enough credits for graduation, but it still counted toward fulfilling the requirement in your specific major pathway, if that makes sense? Like if you didn’t take math 101, you didn’t have to add an additional course in addition to the ones on the pathway just because you skipped it. Also, doing those tests gave us credits, that did not count toward my major. Yay for 30 useless credits from the IB diploma that ended up meaning absolutely nothing at college! My AP calc did get me past a couple classes. Our SAT scores and ACt scores didn’t do anything, as far as I know. Or maybe mine were too low for me to know. 🤣 I wonder if it is school specific. My reading score (or English or whatever it is called I don’t remember) on the ACT exempted me from my liberal arts requirement of literature 101 or whatever it was back then. I had AP credits too for other classes but I remember being surprised because I had no idea that the ACT score did that.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:16:25 GMT -6
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Post by notblanche on Mar 13, 2019 7:17:20 GMT -6
We are accomplished googlers.
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Post by bazi on Mar 13, 2019 7:18:14 GMT -6
Turns out it’s the white rich kids we should be skeptical of at elite universities, not the students of color who got in for “playing the race card.” Who knew! Oh wait, POC everywhere knew. Let’s also stop vilifying urban families who use suburban addresses to get their kids into adequate public schools while we’re at it. A $2.5 million “legal” donation is the same thing at its core. Rich people who follow “the law” have just convinced themselves otherwise. In college, I clearly remember attending a study group with one overprivileged douche who scoffed that another student only got in because he plays basketball. I reminded him that we were sitting in a building wing named after his grandfather. Response: “yeah but I got in on my own. My dad said so.” The lack of self-awareness is stunning. And this was not an Ivy League school at all.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:18:56 GMT -6
I applied there and they gave me not one dollar. Then I went on a campus visit and stopped into the admissions office to say hello. They pulled my file and offered me a scholarship that would've left my OOP costs at $2k per year.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 13, 2019 7:19:38 GMT -6
Unless it counts as credits, that just means they have to take a different English class. Like how my math entrance test put me in MATH 104. That didn't mean I got credit for 101 and 102, or that I could skip math completely because mine required 102. I still had to take a class for the credits toward graduation. I wouldn't have had the right amount of credits otherwise. That was absolutely not a thing at my state u 20 years ago. Maybe it's newer. Maybe mine is a bunch of jerks (highly possible). For ours, certain AP or (more rarely, unfortunately for me) IB scores allowed for students to skip certain courses, like the intro math or Spanish or whatever. You did still have to get enough credits for graduation, but it still counted toward fulfilling the requirement in your specific major pathway, if that makes sense? Like if you didn’t take math 101, you didn’t have to add an additional course in addition to the ones on the pathway just because you skipped it. Also, doing those tests gave us credits, that did not count toward my major. Yay for 30 useless credits from the IB diploma that ended up meaning absolutely nothing at college! My AP calc did get me past a couple classes. Our SAT scores and ACt scores didn’t do anything, as far as I know. Or maybe mine were too low for me to know. 🤣 The way ours was structured you could not skip over a requirement and still get enough credits. I brought in AP math credit but it wasn't high enough to count toward my major and I tested into the class right after it anyway. Cute.
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 13, 2019 7:20:02 GMT -6
I was thinking about it this AM. Felicity got a real deal at $15k. I know for these rich people scholarship $ wasn’t the motivating factor, but damn I could have saved myself 10s of thousands (plus interest) in student loans for only 15k. An ACT score in the low 30s will get you a full-ride at a some decent schools.I may be in student-loan debt up to my ears but at least I’m not a pos cheater, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Where the fuck are these schools and where the fuck were they 20 years ago? Wish I would have known about this list back in 1996. I would have picked a school who would have paid me to attend. www.thecollegesolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/FULL-SCHOLARSHIP-BY-STATE-updated.pdf
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:21:47 GMT -6
Turns out it’s the white rich kids we should be skeptical of at elite universities, not the students of color who got in for “playing the race card.” Who knew! Oh wait, POC everywhere knew. Let’s also stop vilifying urban families who use suburban addresses to get their kids into adequate public schools while we’re at it. A $2.5 million “legal” donation is the same thing at its core. Rich people who follow “the law” have just convinced themselves otherwise. In college, I clearly remember attending a study group with one overprivileged douche who scoffed that another student only got in because he plays basketball. I reminded him that we were sitting in a building wing named after his grandfather. Response: “yeah but I got in on my own. My dad said so.”
The lack of self-awareness is stunning. And this was not an Ivy League school at all. I blame the parents for a lot of this. Kids don't automatically know how the world actually works, so it's up to parents to be upfront and honest. Figure out how to tell your kid that they're special to you, but nothing special to the rest of the world. Until yesterday, Felicity Huffman's poor daughter probably thought she turned into a genius between her junior and senior years in high school. Nope, it was just mommy pulling the strings and handing out dollars to make sure sweetie's ego remained intact.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 13, 2019 7:22:39 GMT -6
I hasn't heard of this either, but it seems like a whole lot of schools in your neck of the woods are. I guess it depends on the school. That chart says $43,000 but that is significantly less than annual tuition where I went to school. Yes. What I took away was, lots of scholarships but not a lot of full ride funds.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:23:41 GMT -6
The amounts those schools are showing are not 100% of tuition or all in costs. Also please do not call Texas "my neck of the woods" lest I'm forced to block you Bruce. just all those other states like florida, georgia, south carolina, mississippi...
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 13, 2019 7:24:02 GMT -6
Yeah, my class rank is what fucked me over. I was 8th out of 67, so not top 10%. They were out to 6 decimal places to break ties. #notbitteratall
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Post by charlotte on Mar 13, 2019 7:26:26 GMT -6
I was thinking about it this AM. Felicity got a real deal at $15k. I know for these rich people scholarship $ wasn’t the motivating factor, but damn I could have saved myself 10s of thousands (plus interest) in student loans for only 15k. An ACT score in the low 30s will get you a full-ride at a some decent schools.I may be in student-loan debt up to my ears but at least I’m not a pos cheater, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Where the fuck are these schools and where the fuck were they 20 years ago? Maybe it depends on your definition of decent, ha! But for example, when I went to college, Ohio University gave students with an ACT score of 32 a full ride. It looks like that was discontinued in 2014. I believe Alabama also had a full tuition scholarship for students with ACT scores in the 30s.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 13, 2019 7:27:01 GMT -6
Lol it's likely that blog site is run by a marketing firm and a writer sources the web for SEO content.
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Post by rvasc on Mar 13, 2019 7:28:44 GMT -6
We didn't even have class ranks. Well I guess technically we did but they weren't published or submitted to schools by my high school. Really? Ours were.
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Post by lizblue on Mar 13, 2019 7:28:45 GMT -6
In college, I clearly remember attending a study group with one overprivileged douche who scoffed that another student only got in because he plays basketball. I reminded him that we were sitting in a building wing named after his grandfather. Response: “yeah but I got in on my own. My dad said so.”
The lack of self-awareness is stunning. And this was not an Ivy League school at all. I blame the parents for a lot of this. Kids don't automatically know how the world actually works, so it's up to parents to be upfront and honest. Figure out how to tell your kid that they're special to you, but nothing special to the rest of the world. Until yesterday, Felicity Huffman's poor daughter probably thought she turned into a genius between her junior and senior years in high school. Nope, it was just mommy pulling the strings and handing out dollars to make sure sweetie's ego remained intact. Agreed, but you can also blame their parents' parents, and so on and so on. At some point, a person has the ability to stop being willfully ignorant and break the privileged cycle. But why would they do that? They would give up so much.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 13, 2019 7:29:12 GMT -6
My God their formatting is atrocious.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:29:55 GMT -6
I blame the parents for a lot of this. Kids don't automatically know how the world actually works, so it's up to parents to be upfront and honest. Figure out how to tell your kid that they're special to you, but nothing special to the rest of the world. Until yesterday, Felicity Huffman's poor daughter probably thought she turned into a genius between her junior and senior years in high school. Nope, it was just mommy pulling the strings and handing out dollars to make sure sweetie's ego remained intact. Agreed, but you can also blame their parents' parents, and so on and so on. At some point, a person has the ability to stop being willfully ignorant and break the privileged cycle. But why would they do that? They would give up so much. DING DING DING
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 13, 2019 7:30:21 GMT -6
We didn't even have class ranks. Well I guess technically we did but they weren't published or submitted to schools by my high school. This was on like every scholarship application I had.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:33:11 GMT -6
We didn't even have class ranks. Well I guess technically we did but they weren't published or submitted to schools by my high school. Really? Ours were. ours were posted on the wall in the commons. I used them to talk mad shit to #12 and #13 as a cover for the shame of not making it into the Top 10.
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Post by brux on Mar 13, 2019 7:36:31 GMT -6
We also didn't have GPAs. Or at least we didn't back in the late 90s early 2000s. We just had an overall numerical grade which translated to a GPA, but when submitting transcripts, it was just a weighted number (i.e. 92) versus a 3.0. this just sounds like some new age, helicopter parent policies to prevent kids from being too stressed out.
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