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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 12:31:03 GMT -6
Is there a place to get updates on how IA caucuses are shaking out? Or are they closed until they finish?
Never mind I see it starts at 4 and will be absolutely everywhere lol
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Post by stringy on Feb 3, 2020 12:31:16 GMT -6
I got a text from Deval Patrick the other day. Talk about someone I forgot about completely. I wanted to write back and just say Whyyyyyyyy?
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 3, 2020 12:37:18 GMT -6
I got a text from Deval Patrick the other day. Talk about someone I forgot about completely. I wanted to write back and just say Whyyyyyyyy? I would have. Kinda like my nope to Bernies campaign asking if I were all in for him
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 3, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -6
Bloomberg has opened a campaign office in Boise.
I have no words.
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 13:19:32 GMT -6
Is there a place to get updates on how IA caucuses are shaking out? Or are they closed until they finish?Never mind I see it starts at 4 and will be absolutely everywhere lol You won't be able to miss it. And to add to the "fun"...there will be two sets of results. There will be the preliminary counts which is what we be who people declare as they come in. Then there will be the final count after the realignment period, which will include the delegates awarded to the candidates. The second count is what is supposed to matter, but this is where it can get messy. There can be one candidate who gets the most in the first count, but yet doesn't get the most delegates because another candidate gets more folks after the realignment. So, there is the possibility that one candidate would declare themselves the winner after the first count, and another candidate declared the winner at the end of the night. And really, neither would be wrong. BUT, this is where I see an opening for the Bernie Bros to call the whole thing rigged and tee up another 2016. Bernie could have the most people in the first count but say Amy and Steyer are declared nonviable and their supporters move to Liz, giving Liz a higher overall total in the end and more delegates. Then she would be officially declared the winner and get the most delegates based on that final number. Sigh, this is gonna be fucked, isn't it?
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 13:23:18 GMT -6
Is there a place to get updates on how IA caucuses are shaking out? Or are they closed until they finish?Never mind I see it starts at 4 and will be absolutely everywhere lol You won't be able to miss it. And to add to the "fun"...there will be two sets of results. There will be the preliminary counts which is what we be who people declare as they come in. Then there will be the final count after the realignment period, which will include the delegates awarded to the candidates. The second count is what is supposed to matter, but this is where it can get messy. There can be one candidate who gets the most in the first count, but yet doesn't get the most delegates because another candidate gets more folks after the realignment. So, there is the possibility that one candidate would declare themselves the winner after the first count, and another candidate declared the winner at the end of the night. And really, neither would be wrong. BUT, this is where I see an opening for the Bernie Bros to call the whole thing rigged and tee up another 2016. Bernie could have the most people in the first count but say Amy and Steyer are declared nonviable and their supporters move to Liz, giving Liz a higher overall total in the end and more delegates. Then she would be officially declared the winner and get the most delegates based on that final number. Sigh, this is gonna be fucked, isn't it? For some reason I thought they would start in the morning and go all day, and so hearing nothing I was having the fomo.
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 13:27:06 GMT -6
You won't be able to miss it. And to add to the "fun"...there will be two sets of results. There will be the preliminary counts which is what we be who people declare as they come in. Then there will be the final count after the realignment period, which will include the delegates awarded to the candidates. The second count is what is supposed to matter, but this is where it can get messy. There can be one candidate who gets the most in the first count, but yet doesn't get the most delegates because another candidate gets more folks after the realignment. So, there is the possibility that one candidate would declare themselves the winner after the first count, and another candidate declared the winner at the end of the night. And really, neither would be wrong. BUT, this is where I see an opening for the Bernie Bros to call the whole thing rigged and tee up another 2016. Bernie could have the most people in the first count but say Amy and Steyer are declared nonviable and their supporters move to Liz, giving Liz a higher overall total in the end and more delegates. Then she would be officially declared the winner and get the most delegates based on that final number. Sigh, this is gonna be fucked, isn't it? For some reason I thought they would start in the morning and go all day, and so hearing nothing I was having the fomo. It would make sense to somehow make them available over a larger swath of time to be more accessible but lol...nope. Doors open at 6 or 6:30 depending on location, you MUST be in line by 7pm (some places even "lock" the doors at 7) and they are expected to take about 2 hours. 2016 was a HUGE mess and people were still in line at like 8:00pm so it took for-ev-er. They allowed people to "pre-register" this year, so hopefully that helps things go more quickly.
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 13:29:16 GMT -6
I will try to take some pictures if I remember so I can share for those interested in what an Iowa caucus looks like from the "inside", not just from media pictures. I am part of the precinct team for Warren so I might be busy trying to wrangle people to our team but I will try! (this is a veritable nightmare for me, a massive introvert, but totally necessary so I will grin and bear it)
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 13:29:22 GMT -6
For some reason I thought they would start in the morning and go all day, and so hearing nothing I was having the fomo. It would make sense to somehow make them available over a larger swath of time to be more accessible but lol...nope. Doors open at 6 or 6:30 depending on location, you MUST be in line by 7pm (some places even "lock" the doors at 7) and they are expected to take about 2 hours. 2016 was a HUGE mess and people were still in line at like 8:00pm so it took for-ev-er. They allowed people to "pre-register" this year, so hopefully that helps things go more quickly. I confused myself AGAIN because CNN starts coverage at 4. So thank you for stating the actual start time. I don't need to watch the tailgate. Being so brain fried on Monday bodes ill for the rest of my week.
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 13:39:54 GMT -6
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Post by elle on Feb 3, 2020 13:40:02 GMT -6
Is there a place to get updates on how IA caucuses are shaking out? Or are they closed until they finish?Never mind I see it starts at 4 and will be absolutely everywhere lol You won't be able to miss it. And to add to the "fun"...there will be two sets of results. There will be the preliminary counts which is what we be who people declare as they come in. Then there will be the final count after the realignment period, which will include the delegates awarded to the candidates. The second count is what is supposed to matter, but this is where it can get messy. There can be one candidate who gets the most in the first count, but yet doesn't get the most delegates because another candidate gets more folks after the realignment. So, there is the possibility that one candidate would declare themselves the winner after the first count, and another candidate declared the winner at the end of the night. And really, neither would be wrong. BUT, this is where I see an opening for the Bernie Bros to call the whole thing rigged and tee up another 2016. Bernie could have the most people in the first count but say Amy and Steyer are declared nonviable and their supporters move to Liz, giving Liz a higher overall total in the end and more delegates. Then she would be officially declared the winner and get the most delegates based on that final number. Sigh, this is gonna be fucked, isn't it?Yeah, I read a Politico article talking about this very thing yesterday. And how the Bernie people are already preparing to declare him the winner of the caucus, regardless what happens during realignment. Ugh.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -6
You won't be able to miss it. And to add to the "fun"...there will be two sets of results. There will be the preliminary counts which is what we be who people declare as they come in. Then there will be the final count after the realignment period, which will include the delegates awarded to the candidates. The second count is what is supposed to matter, but this is where it can get messy. There can be one candidate who gets the most in the first count, but yet doesn't get the most delegates because another candidate gets more folks after the realignment. So, there is the possibility that one candidate would declare themselves the winner after the first count, and another candidate declared the winner at the end of the night. And really, neither would be wrong. BUT, this is where I see an opening for the Bernie Bros to call the whole thing rigged and tee up another 2016. Bernie could have the most people in the first count but say Amy and Steyer are declared nonviable and their supporters move to Liz, giving Liz a higher overall total in the end and more delegates. Then she would be officially declared the winner and get the most delegates based on that final number. Sigh, this is gonna be fucked, isn't it?Yeah, I read a Politico article talking about this very thing yesterday. And how the Bernie people are already preparing to declare him the winner of the caucus, regardless what happens during realignment. Ugh. I, for one, am shocked at this attitude. Shocked.
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Post by elle on Feb 3, 2020 13:42:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I read a Politico article talking about this very thing yesterday. And how the Bernie people are already preparing to declare him the winner of the caucus, regardless what happens during realignment. Ugh. I, for one, am shocked at this attitude. Shocked. Right? I mean, I never would have guessed. *sigh* And so many seem to forget that the fish rots from the head.
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Post by elle on Feb 3, 2020 13:44:26 GMT -6
So help me if this becomes another edition of "the DNC has rigged the process", I'm going to lose my mind.
Eta: if you want to talk about the shadiness of changing the rules so Bloomberg makes the debate stage, I'm here for it. But the caucus rules and procedures have been in place for a long time. It's not something that was done to shut Bernie out.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 13:47:05 GMT -6
So help me if this becomes another edition of "the DNC has rigged the process", I'm going to lose my mind. I am unwilling to say that the Bloomberg rules change is meant to derail Bernie, but DAMN it feeds the narrative - moreso than however today turns out.
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 13:47:52 GMT -6
So help me if this becomes another edition of "the DNC has rigged the process", I'm going to lose my mind. Oh, you might as well start because it already is. My H was telling me yesterday that the only reason the DNC changed the threshold that allowed Bloomberg in to the debate is because they were scared of how Bernie is rising in the polls. I was very, uh huh...okay. Bernard, the perpetual victim of the system. Fucking hell. eta: starbuck, the Bernie Bros are using it en masse already. Please refer to my husband.
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Post by elle on Feb 3, 2020 13:48:25 GMT -6
So help me if this becomes another edition of "the DNC has rigged the process", I'm going to lose my mind. I am unwilling to say that the Bloomberg rules change is meant to derail Bernie, but DAMN it feeds the narrative - moreso than however today turns out. Yeah, I edited my previous post just now to say that exact thing.
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Post by justbecause on Feb 3, 2020 13:53:46 GMT -6
I think the Bloomberg change is just shitty and unfair for ALL other candidates past and present.
And it does NOT make the DNC look fair and just... makes them look shady which doesn’t help anything
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 3, 2020 13:57:30 GMT -6
I think the Bloomberg change is just shitty and unfair for ALL other candidates past and present. And it does NOT make the DNC look fair and just... makes them look shady which doesn’t help anything Well my VERY* personal email from MaryBeth Cahill asking me to submit my questions might have been a mistake because while I typically delete those I'm gonna respond to this one.
*it wasnt very personal
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 3, 2020 13:58:32 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 3, 2020 14:06:57 GMT -6
This was the email I just got. They areoutoftheirflippingminds
Thanks for submitting questions for the next three debates! We're grateful for your input.
If you want to help build the infrastructure Democrats will need to win in 2020, please consider making a gift today to the Democratic National Committee.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 15:34:52 GMT -6
I think it will be a peaceful transition if T loses. I really do. I understand the fear, truly. I get it because his most ardent supporters are vile. But I think this too shall pass, without violence.
He will lame fucking duck all over the fucking place and tantrum his way out of office while doing as much harm as possible thru EO...but no violence.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 15:35:42 GMT -6
Port Charlotte, FL satellite caucas is amy in the lead at 42, pete 32, biden 25.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 15:35:57 GMT -6
I'm watching the pregame. God help me.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -6
Do we need a running caucus thread?
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Post by justbecause on Feb 3, 2020 15:38:50 GMT -6
Do we need a running caucus thread? I was just going to ask this. Also I did not know there were satellite caucuses. I’m going to try and understand the process again.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:16 GMT -6
Do we need a running caucus thread? I was just going to ask this. Also I did not know there were satellite caucuses. I’m going to try and understand the process again. I'll put one up.
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Post by elle on Feb 3, 2020 15:59:58 GMT -6
Do we need a running caucus thread? I was just going to ask this. Also I did not know there were satellite caucuses. I’m going to try and understand the process again. Satellite caucuses? What the what?
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Post by roloma on Feb 3, 2020 21:28:10 GMT -6
I was just going to ask this. Also I did not know there were satellite caucuses. I’m going to try and understand the process again. Satellite caucuses? What the what? I can’t remember the number, maybe 8, satellite caucuses are set up in the US and outside of the US. It’s interesting
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 4, 2020 17:32:45 GMT -6
Elizabeth Warren
Tonight, Donald Trump will make a speech about the state of the union.
But I have a message for every American: Our union is stronger than Donald Trump. And in less than a year, our union will be stronger than ever when that one man is replaced by one very persistent woman.
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