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Post by jkjacq on Apr 1, 2019 15:59:25 GMT -6
I keep seeing her campaign ads on FB and scroll through the comments occasionally. It's discouraging but also, FB. I haven't seen much of her policy ideas, even on Twitter. I was hoping someone would do some digging for me beacuse I'm feeling super lazy lately. |
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Post by elle on Apr 1, 2019 16:00:01 GMT -6
I want to hear more about Gillibrand. Has everyone already written her off over Franken? That would be disappointing. I think it's more of an issue that the female candidates are barely getting any coverage, especially when you compare with Sanders, Biden, and Buttigieg. So people are just not talking about her much. I'm hoping the debates will shake things up enough to start changing that because it's patently clear we have a media bias in regards to gender. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 1, 2019 16:19:13 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here has Oh! No, I shouldn't think so. I meant more generally among Dems. I think it’s one of those troll attacks on her. I see it a lot on twitter but it seems from bot type accounts. It’s hard to get a read on if people really find that a “serious” issue or not, but I kind of lean towards not. I think the more substantive issue against her is the narrative that she used to side more with the NRA and Wall Street. The old “not progressive” enough take. Idk. I didn’t follow her career too closely until recently so I’m not a good judge on that. But a good message of how she’s evolved will be needed, I suppose. I like what I’m hearing from her as a candidate so far and I’m glad she is running. She is enthusiastic and genuine and, obviously relatable to me as a working mom. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 1, 2019 16:20:40 GMT -6
I keep seeing her campaign ads on FB and scroll through the comments occasionally. It's discouraging but also, FB. I haven't seen much of her policy ideas, even on Twitter. I was hoping someone would do some digging for me beacuse I'm feeling super lazy lately. She was one of the first ones covered in the pod save America candidate spotlights so you’d have to go back to maybe late January or early February and it’s at the end of one of the episodes. But it was a good intro to her. |
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Post by starbuck on Apr 1, 2019 16:23:42 GMT -6
I want to say I hope @heartbot comes back and I apologize for my part in this. I signed on after a day of house hunting and was like whoa this thread really exploded. I think end of the day we’re all voting for whoever gets a Trump out of the WH #hagfish2020 I'm having trouble with this (and not really directed at you but just because you mentioned it). Bernie is fucking problematic. I think his mysonigny and racism isn't always as in your face as Trump, but it's deeply rooted and has bled out enough times for me to feel extremely uncomfortable with him. On top of the fact that I disagree with him on a lot of policies, and I think he would rely on EOs to get his agenda done which I really don't want. If it were Bernie v Trump I just don't know that I could vote for either. Down ticket I'd be doing whatever I could. |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 1, 2019 16:26:31 GMT -6
Oh! No, I shouldn't think so. I meant more generally among Dems. I think it’s one of those troll attacks on her. I see it a lot on twitter but it seems from bot type accounts. It’s hard to get a read on if people really find that a “serious” issue or not, but I kind of lean towards not. I think the more substantive issue against her is the narrative that she used to side more with the NRA and Wall Street. The old “not progressive” enough take. Idk. I didn’t follow her career too closely until recently so I’m not a good judge on that. But a good message of how she’s evolved will be needed, I suppose. I like what I’m hearing from her as a candidate so far and I’m glad she is running. She is enthusiastic and genuine and, obviously relatable to me as a working mom. From my NY friends, they found her 'blue dog' positions not to their liking as much.
And she has shifted from a more conservative slant to now progressive, without a lot of explanation. So it seems as if she changed her positions to be more palatable to the progressive side.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 1, 2019 16:27:16 GMT -6
I want to say I hope @heartbot comes back and I apologize for my part in this. I signed on after a day of house hunting and was like whoa this thread really exploded. I think end of the day we’re all voting for whoever gets a Trump out of the WH #hagfish2020 I'm having trouble with this (and not really directed at you but just because you mentioned it). Bernie is fucking problematic. I think his mysonigny and racism isn't always as in your face as Trump, but it's deeply rooted and has bled out enough times for me to feel extremely uncomfortable with him. On top of the fact that I disagree with him on a lot of policies, and I think he would rely on EOs to get his agenda done which I really don't want. If it were Bernie v Trump I just don't know that I could vote for either. Down ticket I'd be doing whatever I could. obligatory sit down and shut up Bernie |
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Post by PandaWatch on Apr 1, 2019 16:46:24 GMT -6
I think it’s one of those troll attacks on her. I see it a lot on twitter but it seems from bot type accounts. It’s hard to get a read on if people really find that a “serious” issue or not, but I kind of lean towards not. I think the more substantive issue against her is the narrative that she used to side more with the NRA and Wall Street. The old “not progressive” enough take. Idk. I didn’t follow her career too closely until recently so I’m not a good judge on that. But a good message of how she’s evolved will be needed, I suppose. I like what I’m hearing from her as a candidate so far and I’m glad she is running. She is enthusiastic and genuine and, obviously relatable to me as a working mom. From my NY friends, they found her 'blue dog' positions not to their liking as much.
And she has shifted from a more conservative slant to now progressive, without a lot of explanation. So it seems as if she changed her positions to be more palatable to the progressive side.
If I recall correctly, she became more Progressive when she moved to the Senate. I think having to represent the entire state opened her up to a wide variety of people’s experiences and gave her an opportunity to back policies that would impact people in NY outside of her home district. Or at least that’s the story. |
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 1, 2019 16:58:12 GMT -6
I'm having trouble with this (and not really directed at you but just because you mentioned it). Bernie is fucking problematic. I think his mysonigny and racism isn't always as in your face as Trump, but it's deeply rooted and has bled out enough times for me to feel extremely uncomfortable with him. On top of the fact that I disagree with him on a lot of policies, and I think he would rely on EOs to get his agenda done which I really don't want. If it were Bernie v Trump I just don't know that I could vote for either. Down ticket I'd be doing whatever I could. obligatory sit down and shut up Bernie I would vote #hagfish over Bernie but if he was the Democratic candidate (please no) then he gets my vote - he has to be better than Trump. |
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Post by Minerva on Apr 1, 2019 17:40:11 GMT -6
From my NY friends, they found her 'blue dog' positions not to their liking as much.
And she has shifted from a more conservative slant to now progressive, without a lot of explanation. So it seems as if she changed her positions to be more palatable to the progressive side.
If I recall correctly, she became more Progressive when she moved to the Senate. I think having to represent the entire state opened her up to a wide variety of people’s experiences and gave her an opportunity to back policies that would impact people in NY outside of her home district. Or at least that’s the story. She represented my region’s district in upstate NY when she was first elected to the House. Her views on guns at the time were very in line with the district’s. There is a lot of hunting and farming in the area and, at least in my town, the majority of families owned at least one gun. At that point, violent crime and gun deaths were relatively low in the area, though I believe this has risen in the area along with the opioid crisis. Her views on gun control definitely evolved in a more progressive direction when she ran for senator. |
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Post by Ls2012 on Apr 1, 2019 17:52:38 GMT -6
This all good info, thanks everyone. I definitely want to listen to her psa episode and do some digging on her record in the house v senate.
It really does seem like the women have taken several backseats lately to the white men running. I don't pretend to know why that is, but it's concerning to say the least.
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Post by jaygee on Apr 1, 2019 21:07:49 GMT -6
From my NY friends, they found her 'blue dog' positions not to their liking as much.
And she has shifted from a more conservative slant to now progressive, without a lot of explanation. So it seems as if she changed her positions to be more palatable to the progressive side.
If I recall correctly, she became more Progressive when she moved to the Senate. I think having to represent the entire state opened her up to a wide variety of people’s experiences and gave her an opportunity to back policies that would impact people in NY outside of her home district. Or at least that’s the story. Well that is a very logical and appropriate way to govern. Actually representing your constituents. I like it! Much refreshing. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 8:03:37 GMT -6
I want to hear more about Gillibrand. Has everyone already written her off over Franken? That would be disappointing. I think it's more of an issue that the female candidates are barely getting any coverage, especially when you compare with Sanders, Biden, and Buttigieg. So people are just not talking about her much. I'm hoping the debates will shake things up enough to start changing that because it's patently clear we have a media bias in regards to gender. Beto is taking up a lot of oxygen too. It's not his fault, but it's kind of making me annoyed with him. I haven't ruled out supporting anyone in the primary except for Tulsi. Bernie would have to basically solve world hunger to get my primary vote at this point, and I definitely have my favorites, but I don't think I've seen anything from any of the other candidates that would make me refuse to support them. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 8:06:20 GMT -6
This all good info, thanks everyone. I definitely want to listen to her psa episode and do some digging on her record in the house v senate. It really does seem like the women have taken several backseats lately to the white men running. I don't pretend to know why that is, but it's concerning to say the least. She came to Lovett or Leave It when it was here in DC too. I really enjoyed hearing from her and I liked what she had to say. Also, Alyssa Mastromonaco was on that episode and she's just so smart and so on point. |
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Post by jaygee on Apr 2, 2019 8:21:36 GMT -6
This is twitter crap but it’s still frustrating. Like using Harris’ success to frame Pete’s is some bullshit.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 8:30:31 GMT -6
I've been mad at Chris Cillizza for a long time
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 9:34:27 GMT -6
I did not know this.
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Post by jaygee on Apr 2, 2019 9:43:23 GMT -6
I did not know this. He really has a problem with transparency, doesn't he? Wow. |
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Post by elle on Apr 2, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -6
I've been mad at Chris Cillizza for a long time Loving her for this: Soledad O'Brien @soledadobrien Serious offer: I will write a colum that analyzes Cillizza’s terrible analysis. In lieu of a salary, the organization needs to fund scholarships for students who are struggling financially. Dm with serious offers only. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 10:24:04 GMT -6
can we talk cabinet? I know a lot of people have expressed interest in Booker for HUD, and I think Warren would be fantastic as OMB Director. I haven't heard anyone talk SOS though. thoughts?
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Post by enchanted on Apr 2, 2019 10:34:48 GMT -6
can we talk cabinet? I know a lot of people have expressed interest in Booker for HUD, and I think Warren would be fantastic as OMB Director. I haven't heard anyone talk SOS though. thoughts? Honestly, I know he's old , but this is a job I could see Biden doing extremely well. I know he's a problem, though. For someone younger, I don't know. Lieu, maybe? I like Schiff, but I feel like he needs to stay in the House. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 10:37:08 GMT -6
can we talk cabinet? I know a lot of people have expressed interest in Booker for HUD, and I think Warren would be fantastic as OMB Director. I haven't heard anyone talk SOS though. thoughts? Honestly, I know he's old , but this is a job I could see Biden doing extremely well. I know he's a problem, though. For someone younger, I don't know. Lieu, maybe? I like Schiff, but I feel like he needs to stay in the House. Schiff needs to stay right where he is until Dianne Feinstein retires, then he needs to go to the Senate, IMO. Ted Lieu is an interesting idea. He's a bit of a loose cannon so I'm not sure how that plays diplomatically. I was thinking maybe Tim Kaine or Jack Reed. |
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Post by enchanted on Apr 2, 2019 10:40:41 GMT -6
Honestly, I know he's old , but this is a job I could see Biden doing extremely well. I know he's a problem, though. For someone younger, I don't know. Lieu, maybe? I like Schiff, but I feel like he needs to stay in the House. Schiff needs to stay right where he is until Dianne Feinstein retires, then he needs to go to the Senate, IMO. Ted Lieu is an interesting idea. He's a bit of a loose cannon so I'm not sure how that plays diplomatically. I was thinking maybe Tim Kaine or Jack Reed. I like the idea of Kaine. I hadn't thought of him. *poof*. |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 2, 2019 11:06:16 GMT -6
Schiff needs to stay right where he is until Dianne Feinstein retires, then he needs to go to the Senate, IMO. Ted Lieu is an interesting idea. He's a bit of a loose cannon so I'm not sure how that plays diplomatically. I was thinking maybe Tim Kaine or Jack Reed. I like the idea of Kaine. I hadn't thought of him. I met him when we lived in Virginia and he is genuinely a nice guy, from what I could tell. The problem with pulling sitting senators is that puts their seat in play.... |
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Post by Ls2012 on Apr 2, 2019 11:09:10 GMT -6
I've always liked Warren for Sec. Of Education. Everything I've heard her say about teacher salaries, classrooms, and financial aid has been spot on.
She's really so diverse in her strengths and it's part of why I like her so much. I'm just not sure I can past the offense to Native Americans to throw all me energy at her for President (though, hell yes, I'd vote her if it came to it). That was a really low moment.
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Post by enchanted on Apr 2, 2019 11:09:30 GMT -6
The problem with pulling sitting senators is that puts their seat in play.... That's why I was looking at the House more than Senators. I want to think Kaine's seat would go to a Dem, but I don't know Virginia's rules for that |
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 2, 2019 11:15:31 GMT -6
The problem with pulling sitting senators is that puts their seat in play.... That's why I was looking at the House more than Senators. I want to think Kaine's seat would go to a Dem, but I don't know Virginia's rules for that What about Ted Deutch? He sits on Foreign Affairs, Ethics and Judiciary. |
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Post by dc2london on Apr 2, 2019 11:17:19 GMT -6
ohh Deutch would be good.
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Post by enchanted on Apr 2, 2019 11:20:28 GMT -6
That's why I was looking at the House more than Senators. I want to think Kaine's seat would go to a Dem, but I don't know Virginia's rules for that What about Ted Deutch? He sits on Foreign Affairs, Ethics and Judiciary. . I like it. |
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